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New New Manager Poll (The Lets Get It Right This Time Edition)

Who Do You Want Then?

  • Poch

    Votes: 58 43.3%

  • Gallardo

    Votes: 7 5.2%

  • De Zerbi

    Votes: 2 1.5%

  • Enrique

    Votes: 1 0.7%

  • Carrick

    Votes: 1 0.7%

  • Kompany

    Votes: 1 0.7%

  • Other

    Votes: 23 17.2%

  • Tuchel

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Nagelsmann

    Votes: 24 17.9%

  • Slot

    Votes: 17 12.7%
  • Total voters
    134
Alan Brazil who is very close to Poch has revealed on talksport today that the great man has been left very disappointed that Spurs have made no approach for him.

If we dont get Nagelsmann and appoint a suitable dof, providing them with the freedom and tools they will need, I fear all hell is going to break loose, particularly if Poch excels at the chavs.
 
AjaxDeSuperYids said:
Alan Brazil who is very close to Poch has revealed on talksport today that the great man has been left very disappointed that Spurs have made no approach for him.

If we dont get Nagelsmann and appoint a suitable dof, providing them with the freedom and tools they will need, I fear all hell is going to break loose, particularly if Poch excels at the chavs.
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I think he will excel there unfortunately

However I also think we'll land JN
 
Raziel said:
It's a little more complicated, Nagelsmann could argue

- There is no (defendable?) reason for his dismissal in the first place, so he would absolutely be owed his contract value
- Publicly he's been painted as fired, his role is absolutely diminished (to nothing), effectively they are doing everything but stopping paying him
- Him being out of "doing" could be seen as long term damaging to his career if he just sat it out

You can argue that "humiliation", cutting of job duties and damaging long term prospects, compounded by if they expecting his next employer to cover their contract puts them a bad legal position. And take it from me, German worker laws are very different from US/UK.

Nagelsmann could argue he's owed his full contract value and still be able to get income from his next employer.
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I'm not legal expert, much less on German employment law. But I do think the public picture and the contractual details are probably quite different. I'm pretty sure a club like Bayern wouldn't write contracts that would expose them to the extent you outlined, nor would they have "fired" him in such a way that would again leave them exposed. I'm pretty sure there's a clause in there somewhere saying something to the extent of "we can fire you for any reason" and "we will stop paying you once you are hired by another club." The only thing I could see as being an issue is if the new club is paying him less than what he was earning at Bayern and Bayern was forced to cover the difference. But that can be resolved by Bayern charging that amount as a "transfer fee" from the new club and then giving it to JN. So for the new club it wouldn't make sense to offer a lower salary, since they would be paying the full amount anyway.

Anyhow, that's my armchair assessment.
 
AjaxDeSuperYids said:
the great man has been left very disappointed that Spurs have made no approach for him.
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The other thing about this though is Levy knows Poch back to front. If Levy didnt want to appoint Poch, then there's zero point approaching him. Levy wouldnt have learned a thing from speaking to Poch - so if Poch was Levy's first choice he'd have approached him, but given that hasn't, Poch is evidently down the list. It not like, say, Slot who Levy probably doesnt know and therefore some form of conversation makes sense

The unknown question is what has happened between us going for Poch a couple years ago and not going for him now. I assume its just that there is a shinier object available, namely Nagelsmann
 
AjaxDeSuperYids said:
Alan Brazil who is very close to Poch has revealed on talksport today that the great man has been left very disappointed that Spurs have made no approach for him.

If we dont get Nagelsmann and appoint a suitable dof, providing them with the freedom and tools they will need, I fear all hell is going to break loose, particularly if Poch excels at the chavs.
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Good friend who makes a public a statement which will sour the Chelsea fans with the "second choice" vibe.....Great mate that

Blokes a mess TBH (Brazil)
 
AjaxDeSuperYids said:
Alan Brazil who is very close to Poch has revealed on talksport today that the great man has been left very disappointed that Spurs have made no approach for him.

If we dont get Nagelsmann and appoint a suitable dof, providing them with the freedom and tools they will need, I fear all hell is going to break loose, particularly if Poch excels at the chavs.
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Must ... must ... must stay away from commenting ..
 
GGyid said:
What was the real reason JN was sacked? Has it come out?
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Same reasons as Conte mainly:

According to BILD reporter Christian Falk, Nagelsmann didn’t have the support of the players anymore and many of his tactical decisions were being questioned. For a coach who lives and dies by his tactical innovation and fluidity, this essentially made the situation unsalvageable. Raphael Honigstein of The Athletic wrote that the players had complained that Nagelsmann was “overcomplicating things in training, making too many changes during games and not communicating enough with them”.

https://breakingthelines.com/tactic...wrong-for-julian-nagelsmann-at-bayern-munich/
 
Raziel said:
If your employer treated you like brick, "fired" you when you had lost 3 games all season and were in with a shot of treble, and per contract "owed" you £30M. Refused to actually fire you but punted you out on gardening leave with the explicit intention of fudging your next employer, I'm not sure how open anyone would be to a mutual agreement.

I suspect if we want Nagelsmann it will be a bit of a pain in the ass
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I would've thought that a club putting a manager on gardening leave for the remainder of their contract would count as constructive dismissal. Irrespective of that though, I don't think it would be a pain to employ Nagelsmann. His Spurs salary is likely to be similar (maybe even higher) than his salary at Bayern, so the only real question is whether Nagelsmann would rather earn a salary to do nothing for a while or wants to get back in the game quickly.
 
Finney Is Back said:
I would've thought that a club putting a manager on gardening leave for the remainder of their contract would count as constructive dismissal. Irrespective of that though, I don't think it would be a pain to employ Nagelsmann. His Spurs salary is likely to be similar (maybe even higher) than his salary at Bayern, so the only real question is whether Nagelsmann would rather earn a salary to do nothing for a while or wants to get back in the game quickly.
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That was my point.
 
Gutter Boy said:
Same reasons as Conte mainly:

According to BILD reporter Christian Falk, Nagelsmann didn’t have the support of the players anymore and many of his tactical decisions were being questioned. For a coach who lives and dies by his tactical innovation and fluidity, this essentially made the situation unsalvageable. Raphael Honigstein of The Athletic wrote that the players had complained that Nagelsmann was “overcomplicating things in training, making too many changes during games and not communicating enough with them”.

https://breakingthelines.com/tactic...wrong-for-julian-nagelsmann-at-bayern-munich/
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While I know there are some concerns re is he AVB mk2, the German media (BILD included) was just doing hit pieces to cover for Bayern.

The teams crash after he left says way more than the hit piece brick anyone was running. Tuchel has lost more games in his first 6 than JN had all season
 
I hope it is Nagelsmann but I don't understand why he would accept. The job usually does nothing for your reputation. It might be even harder too if Kane is not here next season.
 
Raziel said:
Enough money to fund the hookers and blow ...
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That will do wonders for his reputation:D. Suspect he already has enough money for that already.

Realistically though he is a young manager who has the pick of European clubs if he's patient. Why come to tarnish his reputation at Spurs?
 
AdamB said:
The "full control" bit is probably a Twitter exageration. Perhaps he asked for a veto or something like that
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It could well just be a legacy from his time at Bayern? Maybe had very little control or less say than he was promised, so he's just voicing that he can't tolerate that kind of situation again.

I doubt he wants 'full' control and besides, he'll likely find most jobs come with a DofF.

It does hint at why he turned down of Chelsea... wouldn't surprise me if he whiffed the Boehly way of working and thought fudge that.
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
It could well just be a legacy from his time at Bayern? Maybe had very little control or less say than he was promised, so he's just voicing that he can't tolerate that kind of situation again.

I doubt he wants 'full' control and besides, he'll likely find most jobs come with a DofF.

It does hint at why he turned down of Chelsea... wouldn't surprise me if he whiffed the Boehly way of working and thought fudge that.
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Don't think you have to be too close to catch a whiff of that ..
 
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