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Jose Mourinho - SACKED

billyiddo said:
I think if a manager was doing an ok to good job with this squad then we would be playing better football and would be about 7-10 points better off.
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That would make us title challengers and 2nd with 10 points if that was the case

you said yourself you don’t see anyone talking world beaters or title challengers

I do agree that freezing some players out may help but only if there are viable alternatives available. And hey he may genuinely rate some of those players, which is his prerogative
 
Bedfordspurs said:
That would make us title challengers and 2nd with 10 points if that was the case

you said yourself you don’t see anyone talking world beaters or title challengers

I do agree that freezing some players out may help but only if there are viable alternatives available. And hey he may genuinely rate some of those players, which is his prerogative
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It means we'd be 2nd, half way through the season - i don't know if that'd make us challengers or not but the points total is looking like it'll be low this year unless City ramp up the consistency in the second half of the season.
 
billyiddo said:
That's because I don't think it is the players? :confused:

I don't think that because he's Mourinho i think that because of what we've seen across various matches over the last year and how the squad is being managed.

Now unless you want to actually debate anything i don't actually have to justify myself or position to you.




I don't see anyone talking about world beaters or title challenges, i don't know why this keeps getting thrown around as though the only options are playing badly or winning the league - how about something inbetween?

If Pochs players are the problem then freeze them out like he did with Dele and Rose, don't keep playing them - don't give them new contracts or make them important parts of team. We started 7 players from Pochs time v Brighton but Mourinho is picking them and deciding to do so when there are other options available to him.

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Freezing what 7 starters out of the team? Maybe dele is a spacegoat but rose is no angel. Using one player as a standard across the board is silly.

It wouldn't matter what happens, you just want mourinho out regardless.
 
billyiddo said:
It means we'd be 2nd, half way through the season - i don't know if that'd make us challengers or not but the points total is looking like it'll be low this year unless City ramp up the consistency in the second half of the season.
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What more would make us challengers?
 
Gazza said:
Freezing what 7 starters out of the team? Maybe dele is a spacegoat but rose is no angel. Using one player as a standard across the board is silly.

It wouldn't matter what happens, you just want mourinho out regardless.
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If he turns it on his head and gets the team playing to what i consider to be it's level (or heaven forbid greater than it's level!) then i will be more than happy for him to remain in charge and have the summer transfer budget to further strengthen the team - if he does that he will have earned the opportunity to take us forward, right now i don't see a manager how has shown he will deliver the goods - we'll buy players and we'll have the same issues.

If you can't get a front six with Kane Son and Ndombele clicking and scoring at a consistent rate then you're in trouble
 
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Bedfordspurs said:
What more would make us challengers?
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I guess if everyone else is having bad years and you play at a good level then you are by default, I'd reserve that term for teams that realistically aim to win the league with everyone on form/no caveats.

Were we Title Challengers in Pochs last season (2nd in Jan) or in the Leicester season? Not to me. Similar situ this season
 
MKSpur said:
The thing is the mood isn’t borne out purely about how we sit now, as on paper it isn’t that bad and if that is the same at the end of the season then Jose will still be here.

my fear, based on the last dozen games is we are regressing. When we were conceding goals after taking the lead, I was still optimistic this was something Jose would address, and as things solidified we’d perhaps pick up more goals as teams becomes more desperate to equalise. The issue now is the instead of going 1-0 up and not always hanging on is we are now going behind and not hitting back. Without Kane our attacking play is looking more fractured and the shuffling of defensive personnel, including a couple who have been trusted for most matches to date makes me question how we can improve performances and results with some difficult matches coming up.

Regardless of the aesthetics of the performance, the PPG for the season is acceptable but the PPG for the last 9 games isn’t, so depending whether the trend continues or reverses will determine whether Mourinho gets the season. The Europa league would be amazing but I’m sure he’d get the chance to play all of the games if we crash right down the table, as that usually goes hand in hand with losing the players.
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As i said earlier, teams have figured us out. It's not difficult, Kane --> Son. Once you negate that, what else do we do? What's our attacking process? It's literally counter on Kane --> Son.

So it's not surprise we are now performing poorly.
 
billyiddo said:
I guess if everyone else is having bad years and you play at a good level then you are by default, I'd reserve that term for teams that realistically aim to win the league with everyone on form/no caveats.

Were we Title Challengers in Pochs last season (2nd in Jan) or in the Leicester season? Not to me. Similar situ this season
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Well I think we could have been challengers with the season as it is
But it would have needed the weaker players to step up when given a chance. Unfortunately that hasn’t happened
 
billyiddo said:
If he turns it on his head and gets the team playing to what i consider to be it's level (or heaven forbid greater than it's level!) then i will be more than happy for him to remain in charge and have the summer transfer budget to further strengthen the team - if he does that he will have earned the opportunity to take us forward, right now i don't see a manager how has shown he will deliver the goods - we'll buy players and we'll have the same issues.

If you can't get a front six with Kane Son and Ndombele clicking and scoring at a consistent rate then you're in trouble
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My only hope is that Mourinho is reading this and is breaking a leg to appease you. You are important.
 
Gazza said:
My only hope is that Mourinho is reading this and is breaking a leg to appease you. You are important.
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If you're not interested mate don't quote my posts asking me questions, pretty fudging simple
 
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NoLimits01 said:
I think you are both right, it is the manger and it is the players, both are culpable for what we are seeing.


Now I’ll leave it up to others to apportion blame but it’s does need to be apportioned to both parties
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Got it in one.

The squad isn't good enough and the manager hasn't been good enough.
 
Bishop said:
Got it in one.

The squad isn't good enough and the manager hasn't been good enough.
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100%

But to move it forward, the manager has previously been good enough, can't say the same for the players.

Maybe Mourinho is not the man to persevere with the whole sale changes needed. But 100%, when Mourinho gets his team right he wins trophies.
 
Gazza said:
400%

But to move it forward, the manager has previously been good enough, can't say the same for the players.

Maybe Mourinho is not the man to persevere with the whole sale changes needed. But 400%, when Mourinho gets his team right he wins trophies.
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How do you account for his performance at Utd? He spent piles of cahs and they were awful

We're similarly awful under him. We haven't spent the same cash, but are similarly bad

I'm not sure why anyone expects a different outcome to where things went at Utd. Dreadful football, drift down the league table, arguments with players...its the same as before isnt it?
 
Gazza said:
400%

But to move it forward, the manager has previously been good enough, can't say the same for the players.

Maybe Mourinho is not the man to persevere with the whole sale changes needed. But 400%, when Mourinho gets his team right he wins trophies.
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Mourinho would be ‘better’ at a PSG and clubs with deeper pockets. He's not for Spurs and especially in the current covid impact.
 
AdamB said:
How do you account for his performance at Utd? He spent piles of cahs and they were awful

We're similarly awful under him. We haven't spent the same cash, but are similarly bad

I'm not sure why anyone expects a different outcome to where things went at Utd. Dreadful football, drift down the league table, arguments with players...its the same as before isnt it?
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Good trophy haul with the squad he had was phenomenal. The transfers he made were skewed by pogba who was trouble. Pogba was amazing in the world Cup and sensational for juventus. It became the Mourinho vs pogba show.

I'd take his trophy haul at united right now.
 
StephenH said:
Mourinho would be ‘better’ at a PSG and clubs with deeper pockets. He's not for Spurs and especially in the current covid impact.
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I dont doubt that you have seen his history of trophies and signings in the transfer market. Its a complete myth that he is a cheque book manager. He was sensational at Porto and inter with not the biggest of budgets. He spent within his remit at real, Chelsea and United. Clubs that their cash around regardless of manager.

If you dont believe me just go on the net and look for yourself.
 
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