glorygloryeze
Ian Walker
Yes, i know...we didn't like those losses but at least those were teams expected to be our rivals...our first team getting outplayed by Forest reserves is a new low...
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I want Poch back
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Yes, i know...we didn't like those losses but at least those were teams expected to be our rivals...our first team getting outplayed by Forest reserves is a new low...
I don't know what the term is but you seem to be looking for an excuse that's out of our control to blame it all on , like a curse or hoodoo or whatever when the answer is simply that we have not bought enough players that are good enough over too long a period of time. No amount of mentality from the top down is going to make up for a lack footballing ability on the pitch.
Baleforce
Martin Peters
nah, just as many placeholders in the Madrid squad imo
they rely on Modric and Benzema, they have some dodgy defenders and an absolutely atrocious keeper
glasgowspur
Nayim
I love levy, for me one the best things to happen to the club in the 40 years I've followed them.
But i do feel he has an inferiority complex or imposter syndrome at times.
Baleforce
Martin Peters
fans are irrelevant
Baleforce
Martin Peters
I don't think his actions back that up, I think he thinks (quite rightly) that he's the only chairman in football doing things the right way, and that he's doing a brilliant job, being undermined by the mentally weak underlings repeatedly grasping defeat from the jaws of victory
glasgowspur
Nayim
Tongue in cheek, we're cursed!
I think we (as in the club) accept mediocrity from staff and players who can do better, and it would appear to me its because we don't want to upset anyone.
It doesn't take long for that become known and be absused.
Yeah this is what i mean, we are mediocre because that is the level of squad we have put together - if we were to go out and build a strong team/squad and keep them together for more than 5 minutes things would change.
glasgowspur
Nayim
Its the ease of the acceptance of the mediocrity that gets me.
The Eriksen situation highlighted it for me, he stunk the place out at the end.
He wanted to go, we should have let him go, we should have actively invited him to go, but levy almost begged him to stay.
The narrative that we don't win trophies is too deeply embedded and to easy an excuse. Levy is trying his best to change that, but for me he needs stop trying to be everyone's friend and start laying down the law.
glorygloryeze
Ian Walker
Let's be honest, after the summer, whilst many would have said we haven't strengthened to the level we would go toe to toe with Emirates Marketing Project or Liverpool did we really expect such regression in our play? Can we REALLY justify today's loss and (more importantly) performance on the level of our squad?
glasgowspur
Nayim
Can we change the thread title to i want our poch back?
He'll always be one of us.
He'll always be one of us.
Baleforce
Martin Peters
Eriksen was special though, had he just flicked that switch in his head he'd have been unstoppable.
He frustrated the fudge out of me, but only because he had so much unfulfilled potential.
Baleforce
Martin Peters
I don't know if justify is the right word, but we've seen this kind of thing consistently over the clubs existence, nobody is surprised by the result
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
I always see him a bit like my extra/shared dad. I think older fans maybe had the same with Burkinshaw or Nicholson
glorygloryeze
Ian Walker
The result? Yes, a cup game you can win or lose.
The performance by the players? VERY worrying indeed!
Sadly, it could be a watershed moment and it would probably have had less effect on the club and its morale if we'd lost by playing a clearly weakened team and Conte said something along the lines of "Trophies are for egos" or some other crap..
Baleforce
Martin Peters
I didn't watch the game tonight, so can't comment specifically, but in the 35 odd years I've been watching Spurs, the last embarrassing defeat to an, on paper, inferior side, was never that long ago
glasgowspur
Nayim
He was, but he wanted a fresh challenge, his heart wasn't with us anymore. Was doing nobody any good.
We lack that ruthless edge, we want everything to be lovely and perfect.
Baleforce
Martin Peters
damn right we do, and none of us should be happy until it is, we're not going to win anything first, but we can win it better
DubaiSpur
Ian Walker
I miss the guy with all my heart. We have never been as united as when he was here - he embodied us, and always will.
But even I can say that it would be a mistake to bring him back now, solely because of an awful October/early November.
Conte is stubborn. It is his greatest flaw, or also maybe his greatest strength. But this malaise we are in precedes him. It preceded the abominable Mourinho.
It was around at the tail end of Poch's tenure, and has carried on ever since. We are simply carrying too many terrible, mentally inconsistent footballers.
Sanchez. Dier. Davies. Sessegnon. Royal. Lucas. Some have come in post-Poch, but the problem is the same - we needed to clear them all out and replace them with actually skilled players a long time ago. That we still rely on them is exactly why we are here today.
As long as Dier, for instance, keeps starting games, we will achieve nothing. With Poch, or without him.
And I say this despite being 100% behind bringing Poch back tomorrow if he wanted to come.
But even I can say that it would be a mistake to bring him back now, solely because of an awful October/early November.
Conte is stubborn. It is his greatest flaw, or also maybe his greatest strength. But this malaise we are in precedes him. It preceded the abominable Mourinho.
It was around at the tail end of Poch's tenure, and has carried on ever since. We are simply carrying too many terrible, mentally inconsistent footballers.
Sanchez. Dier. Davies. Sessegnon. Royal. Lucas. Some have come in post-Poch, but the problem is the same - we needed to clear them all out and replace them with actually skilled players a long time ago. That we still rely on them is exactly why we are here today.
As long as Dier, for instance, keeps starting games, we will achieve nothing. With Poch, or without him.
And I say this despite being 100% behind bringing Poch back tomorrow if he wanted to come.