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General Transfer Discussion Thread

Re: Levy…Baldini…Poch…SOMEBODY - pull your finger out!!

Is anyone else getting increasingly frustrated by the amount of VERY DECENT signings being made by our supposed rivals, whilst we seem to sit on our arses with barely a decent name in the rumour mill, let alone consider concrete possibilities!!

We're losing ground on those around us, and whilst we wasted 90-odd million last heart on crap like Paulinho and Chadli, Liverpool, Arsenal and alike are genuinely strengthening their squads, and more importantly, getting them in in time to get some serious pre-season time in!


Chelsea - Fabregas, Costa

Liverpool - Lambert, Lallana, Emre Can, advanced talks for Origi and Markovic

Arsenal - Debuchy and Sanchez v.likely, Balotelli still very possible. Walcott to return will feel like a new-ish signing.

Man Utd - Herrera, Shaw, LOUIS VAN GAAL!


I know Poch needs to assess the team, but I fear we are falling behind very quickly already and need to pull our finger out if we're to have any chance of avoiding another dull 5th/6th place playoff with Everton!

Emirates Marketing Project, Man Utd and Chelsea have done some good business but I'm sure that I don't need to remind you why we can't begin to compete with any of them in the transfer market.

As to the rest, Liverpool have signed some squad players. Because they needed to. They didn't have sufficient depth to cope with the increased demands of Champions League football. But the CL will still be a problem for them. They won't have the free run at the league that they had last season. It's also worth pointing out that they're highly unlikely to have their talisman, player of the year striker. Spurs fans understand better than most how such a loss can adversely affect a team's performance, no matter the players signed with the proceeds.

Arsenal have thus far only agreed to sign Debuchy - much to the mirth of many Saudi Sportswashing Machine fans who don't rate him at all. Would he be an improvement on the departed Sagna? He's three years younger. That's it. He's not an upgrade in any other sense. More the opposite, if anything. As to other potential signings, we'll see. Even if Sanchez does sign, there's no guarantee that he'll be a success - especially in his first season. Once again Spurs fans, more than anyone, should understand that after last season.

As to your claim that Walcott would be like a new signing, what about the players we lost to injury? Lamela especially. But also Capoue, Vertonghen, Sandro, Walker and Kaboul. Even Danny Rose (as poor as he is) was missing for most of last season, which left us without a proper left back. We clearly will sign a left back this summer so won't have that problem next season.

Furthermore, what about the fact that the seven players signed last summer will have had a full year to acclimatise to life in England and in the Premier League? What about getting a full season out of Ade rather than having to wait until mid December before he gets a run of games? Above all, what about the fact that we have a new manager who, judging by his time at Southampton, knows how to organise a team and to get the maximum out of his players? There could hardly be a greater contrast to last season, when we veered from having a manager who stifled and befuddled the players into near paralysis to having a clueless manager who went to the opposite extreme, believing that headless chicken football was the way to go.

Even if we were to sign no one - and I don't believe for a second that that will happen (and nor do you) - then I'm still very confident that we will be a lot better than we were last season. So let's not panic, eh? Not in early July. And not unless we start selling some of our best players without replacing them.
 
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Re: Levy…Baldini…Poch…SOMEBODY - pull your finger out!!

I expect us to be fighting for 6th with Everton anyway. Since Redknapp, Modric and then Bale left we have lost our way a bit and literally have to settle for a slow rebuild again to genuinely challenge for a top 4 place.

We can only hope Poch will get more out of our signings from last season, but we just don't know.

Our rivals really are strengthening impressively and I get the feeling they haven't even stopped yet, I'm sure Chelski, Arsenal, Utd, City and Liverpool will make more big name signings in the weeks to come.

And so will we, no doubt.

Though no signing will have a bigger positive effect on the team's performance than having a manager other than AVB or Sherwood in charge.
 
Re: Levy…Baldini…Poch…SOMEBODY - pull your finger out!!

If this WC has taught us anything, it's that expensive glamorous players get you nowhere.

The standout teams have been those that are organised, disciplined, hard-working, have a good shape and can move the ball quickly. Chile, Colombia and Germany have been by far the standout teams.

I think the effect that some hardcore coaching by a Bielsa-disciple like Poch will have on us will be 10 fold what any new signings would be.

Don't get me wrong, I have a few minor issues with our squad - Rose is terrible and Chadli, Dembele and Kaboul could probably be upgraded on. But the biggest signing of the year by far was Poch. He'll get us competitive with Arsenal, Liverpool and United (I think City and Chelsea are unreachable), and within our zero net spend restriction.

Fully agreed.

Apart from the nonsense about the zero net spend restriction. ;)
 
Re: Levy…Baldini…Poch…SOMEBODY - pull your finger out!!

I expect us to be fighting for 6th with Everton anyway.

Why's that? Not saying you are wrong, just wondering as to the reasons why. We 'fought for 6th with Everton' (which was a 'failure') with an allegedly clueless manager, a numpty, in his first season (actually his first 5-6 months), thrown in mid-season, which wasn't his squad, he had no time to prepare and implement a system, couldn't motivate or get the best out of them, stifled and befuddled the players into near paralysis, no organization, headless chicken football, etc. And we now go to a manager who is supposedly better 10-fold in every way, who will have had preparation in off-season and pre-season, and with the benefit of players who have had a year in PL to get acclimated, he will have a LB, etc. (Yes, I've heard he will have a long term plan of implementing his system.) But why wouldn't he and his preparation equate to a better league position, even in his first season? I also ask this in reference to this thread because some a claiming we don't really need signings, its the manager that was our signing, and he will make the huge difference.
 
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Why's that? We 'fought for 6th with Everton' (which was a 'failure') with an allegedly clueless manager, in his first season (actually his first 5-6 months), which wasn't his squad, he had no time to prepare and implement a system, couldn't motivate or get the best out of them, etc. And we now go to a manager who is supposedly better in every way, who will have had preparation in off-season and pre-season, and with the benefit of players who have had a year in PL to get acclimated, he will have a LB, etc. Why wouldn't that equate to a better league position, even in his first season? I also ask this because some a claiming we don't really need many signings, its the manager that will make a huge difference...but not in the standings?

Im guessing the argument will be because our rivals will all be stronger blah blah. Lets just hope one of the 'big 4' under achieve, Id have money on Liverpool not doing as well assuming Suarez does go....
 
Re: Levy…Baldini…Poch…SOMEBODY - pull your finger out!!

I've got my fingers crossed Lamela will come good this coming season and the effect of that will be massive on the team, the guy has all the attributes; hopefully Poch can make him believe.
 
Re: Levy…Baldini…Poch…SOMEBODY - pull your finger out!!

Why's that? Not saying you are wrong, just wondering as to the reasons why. We 'fought for 6th with Everton' (which was a 'failure') with an allegedly clueless manager, a numpty, in his first season (actually his first 5-6 months), thrown in mid-season, which wasn't his squad, he had no time to prepare and implement a system, couldn't motivate or get the best out of them, stifled and befuddled the players into near paralysis, no organization, headless chicken football, etc. And we now go to a manager who is supposedly better 10-fold in every way, who will have had preparation in off-season and pre-season, and with the benefit of players who have had a year in PL to get acclimated, he will have a LB, etc. (Yes, I've heard he will have a long term plan of implementing his system.) But why wouldn't he and his preparation equate to a better league position, even in his first season? I also ask this in reference to this thread because some a claiming we don't really need signings, its the manager that was our signing, and he will make the huge difference.

I'm not fully convinced Poch is the messiah that will transform this bunch into genuine contenders in just one season. Yes he is an upgrade on Sherwood but managing Tottenham and managing Southampton are 2 different things.

He needs time. 6th in his first season is fine and its something to build on

To finish higher than 6th means we have to finish above one of City, Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool. I'm not saying we will be miles away, but we will fall just short
 
Re: Levy…Baldini…Poch…SOMEBODY - pull your finger out!!

I think the OP has a point but to put it into a perspective....

United have signed a left back and a central midfielder. They have lost their best centre backs and desperately need some creative wide players so for me they have strengthened but not the areas they needed to so far!!!

Liverpool have signed players who are like for like what they have and haven't addressed their defence which was the reason they didn't win the league. There attack will always be string with the ensemble they have but I wouldn't take one of their defenders and they clearly haven't signed anyone to replace Suarez so will be a very different team

Arsenal are yet again signing attacking midfielders when they really need cover at centre back, a holding midfielder long term and more strikers of premiership quality . They needed a right back and Debuchy is ok but far from top class but their obsession with attacking players amazes me

Everton have signed no one

Chelsea have strengthened and I expect Fabregas to be a success. Costa though prior to last season was really a bit of a no mark and they have signed him off one great season. He looks to have the righ attributes but they will need more than one striker with the ins and outs to come there. They also need a left back

So teams have strengthened but are they gonna actually be any better? Surely that's the key
 
Re: Levy…Baldini…Poch…SOMEBODY - pull your finger out!!

Without any signings I would expect to do better than last season for the reasons outlined above.

We dont need any squad players. Everybody we have is almost as good as the next, i.e. two first team squads which are good but not great.

I'd love to see us put more effort and budget behind signing superstar players, we've signed gazza, klindsmann, VdV in the past, so why not give the fans something exciting to watch?
 
Re: Levy…Baldini…Poch…SOMEBODY - pull your finger out!!

I think it's far more important that Poch tries to get the best out of the players we've already got.
 
Re: Levy…Baldini…Poch…SOMEBODY - pull your finger out!!

I think it's far more important that Poch tries to get the best out of the players we've already got.

Agreed, its important he does this. That's supposedly one of his attributes, and a big part of why we brought him in.

That said, he will presumably be doing this anyway? Not sure how that would change much if we were to get a new LB in. Or if get rid of 3-4 players, and make 3-4 signings.

Unless with regard to the 3-4 we let go, that we'd be letting them go too soon cos he wouldn't have had a chance to work his magic with them yet. I suppose it would depend who those 3-4 are, but in any event, he'd still be doing his thing with the 20 or so other players. He will obviously be more successful with some players than he is others, and I assume he is thinking about that now...from what he has seen of them in the past, and now and throughout pre-season training, tours and friendlies.
 
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We only need 2 or 3 signings, but they should be significant upgrades and identifying and securing those players can take time, ie. convincing them to join, agreeing a fee and most of all having to deal with ****y agents. Simply adding squad filler is much easier.
 
Re: Levy…Baldini…Poch…SOMEBODY - pull your finger out!!

Has anyone noticed a small footballing event going on in South America the last couple of weeks? That may well have had an impact on any possible signings as I'm sure players wouldn't want to talk contracts whilst concentrating on playing there. Now it's almost over players are more likely to be looking to talk and I expect to see signings happen over the next 2 weeks.
 
Re: Levy…Baldini…Poch…SOMEBODY - pull your finger out!!

Totally agree with Camspur. Lots of rumours but the real business will start next week.
 
Re: Levy…Baldini…Poch…SOMEBODY - pull your finger out!!

Has anyone noticed a small footballing event going on in South America the last couple of weeks? That may well have had an impact on any possible signings as I'm sure players wouldn't want to talk contracts whilst concentrating on playing there. Now it's almost over players are more likely to be looking to talk and I expect to see signings happen over the next 2 weeks.

Last WC summer we didn't make our first signing till 20 August.

I'm not sure there's that many players at the latter stages of the WC we've been looking at though tbh - Rojo, Depay maybe? I can't really think of any others
 
Re: Levy…Baldini…Poch…SOMEBODY - pull your finger out!!

The signing of a new contract by Hugo Lloris is an excellent start!! Best keeper in the Premiership.
 
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