Gareth Bale

[Golfball]

Re: Gareth Bale

He already did that the August before last when he tried to actively flog him for 40 mill after the chairman had spent a summer saying 'no sale'...sorry, you brought it up. It cannot be let go unchecked.

He did no such thing. I remember his comments at the time, it doesnt take a genius to work out what he meant.

 

[thfcsteff]

Re: Gareth Bale

He did no such thing. I remember his comments at the time, it doesnt take a genius to work out what he meant.

Apologies, I did go in re-edit to supply links. It doesn't take a genius to figure out what he meant, no, you're absolutely right. Again, and to keep this on topic, I am just glad he is not actively involved with Bale's career right now...

...BTW, the chronology of the last two links is interesting. Surely you can see that, right?

 

[Golfball]

Re: Gareth Bale

Apologies, I did go in re-edit to supply links. It doesn't take a genius to figure out what he meant, no, you're absolutely right. Again, and to keep this on topic, I am just glad he is not actively involved with Bale's career right now...

...BTW, the chronology of the last two links is interesting. Surely you can see that, right?

Seriously ? Do I really have to explain ?

 

[Golfball]

Re: Gareth Bale

This really annoys me that it appears I do actually have to explain to those intent of twisting EVERYTHING HR said. Stuff that all managers say.

It was obvious he wanted Modric to stay, he gains nothing from selling him. He wasn't talking to try and encourage bids, we had the bids, he was trying to put a "its not the end of the world" spin on it if he did leave. He said he had sympathy with him, again its fairly obvious he was trying to appear understanding as he wants Modric to play for him and he doesnt want to fall out. Not to mention everything he said was true, if he leaves you do want as much as possible as early as possible. And it is difficult for the player to have a 200k a week contract on the offer from a bigger club.

But quite simply, if HR had said to Levy "let him go now" ... he would have gone. Its become obvious that we keep the player a year and then sell (like we did with Berba).

I'm struggling to find any sort of quote in all 4 links that isn't common knowledge or common sense - which ones am I as a Spurs fan suppose to be unhappy with? Why is he passing comment ? Because he was our manager and gets bombarded with questions about these players. He's not giving anything away and to be fair, he owes us nothing. He's has no reason not to act as an honest pundit and give his view (whether its positive or negative). He's not considered a Spurs man, half our fans give him brick even though we have a lot to thank him for.

Where is he going with the Bale comments ? no where. He has no involvement in the running of the club, his comments are irrelevant. Am I suppose to now be thinking "hold on, because HR said that Bale is going to leave us for Real Madrid" - as if he wont at some point leave (unless one of these crazy billionaires takes over). A more interesting (...) discussion would be, where are you going with your comments ? why do some feel the need to make a few bizarre statements that are clearly not valid, with the only people that are going to agree being ones that want to criticise the guy but not want to think about whether there is any truth or point. The only way I could agree with you is to just not think about the comments at all.

 

[thfcsteff]

Re: Gareth Bale

This really annoys me that it appears I do actually have to explain to those intent of twisting EVERYTHING HR said. Stuff that all managers say.

It was obvious he wanted Modric to stay, he gains nothing from selling him. He wasn't talking to try and encourage bids, we had the bids, he was trying to put a "its not the end of the world" spin on it if he did leave. He said he had sympathy with him, again its fairly obvious he was trying to appear understanding as he wants Modric to play for him and he doesnt want to fall out. Not to mention everything he said was true, if he leaves you do want as much as possible as early as possible. And it is difficult for the player to have a 200k a week contract on the offer from a bigger club.

But quite simply, if HR had said to Levy "let him go now" ... he would have gone. Its become obvious that we keep the player a year and then sell (like we did with Berba).

I'm struggling to find any sort of quote in all 4 links that isn't common knowledge or common sense - which ones am I as a Spurs fan suppose to be unhappy with? Why is he passing comment ? Because he was our manager and gets bombarded with questions about these players. He's not giving anything away and to be fair, he owes us nothing. He's has no reason not to act as an honest pundit and give his view (whether its positive or negative). He's not considered a Spurs man, half our fans give him brick even though we have a lot to thank him for.

Where is he going with the Bale comments ? no where. He has no involvement in the running of the club, his comments are irrelevant. Am I suppose to now be thinking "hold on, because HR said that Bale is going to leave us for Real Madrid" - as if he wont at some point leave (unless one of these crazy billionaires takes over). A more interesting (...) discussion would be, where are you going with your comments ? why do some feel the need to make a few bizarre statements that are clearly not valid, with the only people that are going to agree being ones that want to criticise the guy but not want to think about whether there is any truth or point. The only way I could agree with you is to just not think about the comments at all.

Just to say, having contributed to shifting this thread of course with the initial links, I felt it best to do my bit to try and get it back on track thus I have replied to Golfball's comments but in a PM. Apologies for my part in derailing...back to Gareth now!!!!

 

[indianspur]

Re: Gareth Bale

This really annoys me that it appears I do actually have to explain to those intent of twisting EVERYTHING HR said. Stuff that all managers say.

It was obvious he wanted Modric to stay, he gains nothing from selling him. He wasn't talking to try and encourage bids, we had the bids, he was trying to put a "its not the end of the world" spin on it if he did leave. He said he had sympathy with him, again its fairly obvious he was trying to appear understanding as he wants Modric to play for him and he doesnt want to fall out. Not to mention everything he said was true, if he leaves you do want as much as possible as early as possible. And it is difficult for the player to have a 200k a week contract on the offer from a bigger club.

But quite simply, if HR had said to Levy "let him go now" ... he would have gone. Its become obvious that we keep the player a year and then sell (like we did with Berba).

I'm struggling to find any sort of quote in all 4 links that isn't common knowledge or common sense - which ones am I as a Spurs fan suppose to be unhappy with? Why is he passing comment ? Because he was our manager and gets bombarded with questions about these players. He's not giving anything away and to be fair, he owes us nothing. He's has no reason not to act as an honest pundit and give his view (whether its positive or negative). He's not considered a Spurs man, half our fans give him brick even though we have a lot to thank him for.

Where is he going with the Bale comments ? no where. He has no involvement in the running of the club, his comments are irrelevant. Am I suppose to now be thinking "hold on, because HR said that Bale is going to leave us for Real Madrid" - as if he wont at some point leave (unless one of these crazy billionaires takes over). A more interesting (...) discussion would be, where are you going with your comments ? why do some feel the need to make a few bizarre statements that are clearly not valid, with the only people that are going to agree being ones that want to criticise the guy but not want to think about whether there is any truth or point. The only way I could agree with you is to just not think about the comments at all.

not a chance. Levy would never have sold Modric to Chelsea last year, even if Redknapp insisted to let him go. If Redknapp didnt comply, he would have been out the door quicker than Modric imho

 

[Pirate55]

Re: Gareth Bale

For those of you who love Harry - he has said Bale is in the top three in the world

For those of you who love Luka - he has said he is a brilliant player and wants him to join him at Real Madrid

For those of you who criticise Bale - STOP IT Just appreciate the genius we have right here and now playing for Spurs.

 

[spurspinter1]

Re: Gareth Bale

For those of you who love Harry - he has said Bale is in the top three in the world

For those of you who love Luka - he has said he is a brilliant player and wants him to join him at Real Madrid

For those of you who criticise Bale - STOP IT Just appreciate the genius we have right here and now playing for Spurs.

Sorry, was too tempting. Don't mean to be antagonistic, it's just a joke.

I will criticize any player who I believe is not showing the respect you should show other players on the football pitch. Those that play for my team are not exempt from this criticism, as I want my team to win the right way because I believe I would not get the same satisfaction from glory tainted by cheating, ****ishness and a lack of respect for those also competing.

 

[Spursalot]

Re: Gareth Bale

For those of you who love Harry - he has said Bale is in the top three in the world

For those of you who love Luka - he has said he is a brilliant player and wants him to join him at Real Madrid

For those of you who criticise Bale - STOP IT Just appreciate the genius we have right here and now playing for Spurs.

I'd be interested in whether or not you would say this this for a player that isn't 'brilliant'...

 

[Pirate55]

Re: Gareth Bale

Sorry, was too tempting. Don't mean to be antagonistic, it's just a joke.

I will criticize any player who I believe is not showing the respect you should show other players on the football pitch. Those that play for my team are not exempt from this criticism, as I want my team to win the right way because I believe I would not get the same satisfaction from glory tainted by cheating, ****ishness and a lack of respect for those also competing.

If offered a straight choice -

either - win the Premiership with (in your words) "a lack of respect for those also competing"

or - come 8th and win the fair play league.

I know which I would prefer. To pretend otherwise is naieve in the extreme

 

[Pirate55]

Re: Gareth Bale

I'd be interested in whether or not you would say this this for a player that isn't 'brilliant'...

of course. However, so called "divers" just happen to be amongst the most talented footballers on the planet. Funny that!

 

[spurspinter1]

Re: Gareth Bale

If offered a straight choice -

either - win the Premiership with (in your words) "a lack of respect for those also competing"

or - come 8th and win the fair play league.

I know which I would prefer. To pretend otherwise is naieve in the extreme

The difference between playing with respect and without respect in terms of league finishing positions would only have a difference of 8 places if there was something deeply inherently wrong with the refereeing system which would render the competition invalid in my eyes, therefore the question you pose also is.

Essentially if you're someone who has no problem with seeing your team cheat when you take issue with other teams doing the same then we follow very different basic guidelines to life and talking about this great difference between us on an online forum isn't going to help anything.

 

[Pirate55]

Re: Gareth Bale

The difference between playing with respect and without respect in terms of league finishing positions would only have a difference of 8 places if there was something deeply inherently wrong with the refereeing system which would render the competition invalid in my eyes, therefore the question you pose also is.

Essentially if you're someone who has no problem with seeing your team cheat when you take issue with other teams doing the same then we follow very different basic guidelines to life and talking about this great difference between us on an online forum isn't going to help anything.

You obviously havent been following my comments in this thread. I draw a distinction between getting out of the way of a potentially career ending tackle by whatever means possible, and those that try and con the referee when they appeal for a free kick when no contact has been made.

The former is not cheating in my view while the latter certainly is.

 

[Pirate55]

Re: Gareth Bale

The difference between playing with respect and without respect in terms of league finishing positions would only have a difference of 8 places if there was something deeply inherently wrong with the refereeing system which would render the competition invalid in my eyes, therefore the question you pose also is.

Essentially if you're someone who has no problem with seeing your team cheat when you take issue with other teams doing the same then we follow very different basic guidelines to life and talking about this great difference between us on an online forum isn't going to help anything.

You obviously havent been following my comments in this thread. I draw a distinction between getting out of the way of a potentially career ending tackle by whatever means possible, and those that try and con the referee when they appeal for a free kick when no contact has been made.

The former is not cheating in my view while the latter certainly is.

Edit - sorry about the duplication. I lost the internet temporarily and thought my comment hadnt been posted.

 

[spurspinter1]

Re: Gareth Bale

You obviously havent been following my comments in this thread. I draw a distinction between getting out of the way of a potentially career ending tackle by whatever means possible, and those that try and con the referee when they appeal for a free kick when no contact has been made.

The former is not cheating in my view while the latter certainly is.

If you're going to go down rolling in order to avoid potentially career ending tackles you shouldn't be on the pitch. The infamous Aston Villa incident wasn't a career ending tackle, it was someone coming to clear the ball. If you're scared that closing the ball down will end your career then quite simply don't go near the ball to then dodge out of the way at the very last minute flinging yourself to saftey, just stay where you are, or perhaps don't even bother getting on the pitch.

The appealing/not appealing argument doesn't relieve Bale of wrongdoing, and there's been plenty of times when he has appealed after (IMO) trying to win a free kick as opposed to actually being fouled.

This thread will continue to go round in circles so there's not really much more to comment on if you think Bale has never intended to deceive a referee, and also think that fans should not comment upon his willingness to deceive referees as it will be a major element in his decision making when/if he should happen to leave the club. If that sums up your views then there's no point discussing it.

 

[Jurgen the German]

Re: Gareth Bale

LOL...read the following links and you'll see he already did that once and then flip-flopped! Thanks GHod he cannot actively do that with Bale, and can only drop massive hints!!!!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/tottenham-hotspur/8707896/Tottenham-manager-Harry-Redknapp-says-Luka-Modric-sale-could-improve-Spurs.html

http://www.givemefootball.com/premier-league/redknapp-we-cant-sell-modric

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2183928/Luka-Modric-join-Real-Madrid-says-Harry-Redknapp.html

You have to wonder if the last comments would've been made were he still our manager. And after all that, i then read the following...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2218419/Gareth-Bale-closing-Cristiano-Ronaldo-Lionel-Messi-says-Harry-Redknapp.html

Whilst he is correct, I have to wonder why he's passing comment at all really? I'm probably being a little harsh here, but given his duplicity on Modric last season, I do wonder where he is going with his Bale commentaries...

There is a difference between a manager being pragmatic and trying to look on the bright side of losing player and potentially having x amount of money to spend in return than a player bascially saying come here and play for us. Really don't know why players like Modric and Berbs get so much undying loyalty from fans when they showed absolutely none of it back to us.

 

[Jurgen the German]

Re: Gareth Bale

of course. However, so called "divers" just happen to be amongst the most talented footballers on the planet. Funny that!

What about players like Diouff then, what's your thoughts on his diving antics? He's not a top player.

 

[Jurgen the German]

Re: Gareth Bale

The difference between playing with respect and without respect in terms of league finishing positions would only have a difference of 8 places if there was something deeply inherently wrong with the refereeing system which would render the competition invalid in my eyes, therefore the question you pose also is.

Essentially if you're someone who has no problem with seeing your team cheat when you take issue with other teams doing the same then we follow very different basic guidelines to life and talking about this great difference between us on an online forum isn't going to help anything.

This is exactly the issue. Fans will condone our players diving/cheating or simply refuse to accept that our players do it, but pour scorn on other teams players. Either castigate ALL players, or just say you have no problem with diving because everybody does it.

 

[thfcsteff]

Re: Gareth Bale

There is a difference between a manager being pragmatic and trying to look on the bright side of losing player and potentially having x amount of money to spend in return than a player bascially saying come here and play for us. Really don't know why players like Modric and Berbs get so much undying loyalty from fans when they showed absolutely none of it back to us.

Modric and Berbs are, for me, two very different cases. Both had arsehole agents forcing moves. Berbs went on strike, Modric buckled down and gave us an excellent season. This past summer/not going to the US = poor advice from a poor agent and the buying club, who had patently made a deal with Spurs only to realize they were the sole players in town and then try to get us down from 35 to 27 mill and who had obviously told the player's reps to help force the move through and thus get themselves an extra % of the money 'saved'...fortunately Levy and AVB weren't about to let that happen and we only ended up 3 mill down from the asking price at 32.

 

[Pirate55]

Re: Gareth Bale

This is exactly the issue. Fans will condone our players diving/cheating or simply refuse to accept that our players do it, but pour scorn on other teams players. Either castigate ALL players, or just say you have no problem with diving because everybody does it.

I am not condoning it but I am also understanding that it is sometimes necessary for all players (not just ours) to take defensive measures to avoid serious injury. That in itself is not cheating. Top level skillful players (and much as I dont like him as a person, as a footballer, I would include Diouff in this) do take evasive action when they (note THEY not you or other sanctimonious supporters sitting in the stands) consider it necessary. That is not cheating.

Messi, Ronaldo, Bale, Drogba, Young, Gerrard, Welbeck, Diouff, Henry, Drogba, Klinsmann, .....have all be criticised as divers in the past. Apart from Diouff, would you rather not have any of them at Spurs because you consider them "divers"? Plainly ridiculous