tommysvr
Vedran Corluka
Right but that's still discussion about football. You're in the final of a football tournament, the performances that came before it are irrelevant now. Hence "who cares."
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Euro 2024 - The European Football Championship
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Right but that's still discussion about football. You're in the final of a football tournament, the performances that came before it are irrelevant now. Hence "who cares."
A great discussion, let's forget about performances and the discussion amounts to "Yay, we're in the final".
tommysvr
Vedran Corluka
I mean...yeah, why not? You're like the other guy who went too deep on the Southgate criticism to enjoy what he's given you. Another chance to win the contintenal tournament.
K.D.D.D.D.Soc
Cecil Poynton
As a youngster most of my mates were Irish or their parents were and we use to go to the Irish Club in Camden Town, but my best mates Dad wouldn't go there as it was full of Eejits and he disliked being associated with the "drunken paddys" which were around the area in the 50/60's. None of my mates see themselves as Irish or have any affection for Ireland, quite a few have bad memories of being taken back for their summer holidays.
Southgate hasn't given me anything and definitely not a chance to win a tournament, would take a miracle worker far above Southgate for that.
DeanoAustin
Jimmy McCormick
Maybe Heimir Hallgrimsson is that miracle worker...
The dentist, he'll fill in well, watching us is as painful as having a tooth extraction
DeanoAustin
Jimmy McCormick
Think you're being harsh by saying he hasn't beaten decent teams. Colombia and Sweden were decent teams in 2018. Denmark and Ukraine were decent teams in 2021. Senegal were a decent side in 2022. They're all decent teams.
Germany and Netherlands are good teams that he's beaten.
Southgate's knockout record is very good especially relative to other managers. Yeah, the draws have been favourable but it's not like he's gotten San Marino and Luxembourg in them.
Germany last Euros. Netherlands have been as poor as us.
Bedfordspurs
Les Bennett
I’m talking world rankings
I think he is a poor manager but he has done well
But the facts are that yesterday was the first time he has beaten a top 10 side in a knock out game
He should get credit for that
But he has been super fortunate with the teams he has had to play
Baleforce
Martin Peters
glasgowspur
Nayim
Three of four of my grandparents were Irish, although I never met them, they were all dead before I was born.
My mum and dad and I went back to were my grandad came from in the late 70s and it was really good. Met some of my mums family and I've said I'd love to go back.
We don't keep in touch with the family, which is a shame, but I'd love to see it again.
tommysvr
Vedran Corluka
Why do you need an asterix? fudge me you’re all so miserable. Is it the weather? You’ve just made the Euro final (again) and you’re all still looking for reasons to not enjoy it.
SpurMeUp
Les Howe
No that’s you putting your own narrative onto others. You’re an expert on what the English enjoy
Every Englishman is enjoying the rollercoaster ride.On a football forum we’re ‘critical’ in both a positive and negative sense. It doesn’t fit your tired point and it’s you that probably needs to “unravel” and get over trying to prove your oversimplified point which we all got pages and pages ago
tommysvr
Vedran Corluka
No that’s you putting your own narrative onto others. You’re an expert on what the English enjoy
On a football forum we’re ‘critical’ in both a positive and negative sense. It doesn’t fit your tired point and it’s you that probably needs to “unravel” and get over trying to prove your oversimplified point which we all got pages and pages ago
No, you obviously haven’t understood anything because you said I can’t think Southgate isn’t a great manager and also that he deserves more respect.
tommysvr
Vedran Corluka
Either @tommysvr is bored or s/he thinks Southgate is the football managing messiah. Or maybe they’re Southgate’s mum
Like I said last time…it’s really not that difficult, you’re just making it that way. Let’s try and make it a bit easier for you.
What I don’t think he’s good at:
Tactically poor. Dull football. Seems to just throw stuff and see what sticks. Guilty of playing a system to suit players, rather than the other way around.
What I do think he’s good at:
Motivation, building a positive environment, getting the best out of players individually. And most of all: he’s one of the most emotionally intelligent people in football. That one thing explains the other positives, and explains how he’s been able to turn England around since he took over. And how he managed to galvanise this team whilst the rest of the country slagged them all off.
SpurMeUp
Les Howe
What are you basing this second bit on?
The performances after half time have been limp going all the way back to the last euros final - where we were leading going into the break.
I don’t see the master psychologist myself. The greats of management preemptively act. Knowing that Italy or the Dutch will react after HT, and they pull even more out the team.
We played fantastic football first half. Passing speed, movement and press were next level. Second half was instantly lacking.
We have a chance in the final, being underdogs should help us raise our game.
ricky2tricky4city
Tom Huddlestone
I mentioned that earlier....there's endless examples of a player being cut in half 'after the shot'...yet nothing. When the exact same action after toeing it past an opponent in midfield would get them a yellow card all day.
Heavy physical contact (not saying last night's was this) should be viewed the same no matter what.