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Grays_1890 said:
I don't think the Elite PL teams are as good as they were, I don't think the depth of that ELITE and I mean top top level clubs is as it was. Can't be any clearer than that opinion, you might not agree with it and thats fine but comparing it to a tremendously weak and well documented weak and almost bankrupt European set up doesn't change that view at all, if anything it goes a fair way to endorse my views TBH.
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Sorry but I just don't agree that suddenly there are less talented footballers in the world. I suspect levels of talent in footballers have always followed a similar path with a top 10% then another 10% etc, etc.... The difference is that now more of that top N% of players are playing their football in the Premier League.

The European set up being 'weak and almost bankrupt' as you put it means that the talented players are now more likely to play in England where the money is. That is making the PL stronger.

You see the gap between the 'elite' clubs and the non elite clubs in the PL reducing and assume that it is because the elite clubs are regressing. Whereas a far more likely explanation is that the non elite clubs are improving. The elite clubs have always been able to buy the best players, and they still can, the difference now is that the non-elite clubs can also afford to shop in the pool of top talent.
 
Finney Is Back said:
Yet it is only England with teams in the bottom half of the table (and likely to finish in the bottom half) still in there....
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The prem is a lot richer. The smaller teams can buy better talent. Most other leagues in europe have massive problems financially. But the bigger teams in europe are still as strong if not stronger than the top teams in the prem.
How many english teams got to the finals of european competitions last season?
 
Bedfordspurs said:
What would you do
Chuck £3b at a club with head room but where the growth is nearly done
Or
Buy a Sheffield Wednesday or a Bristol (huge catchment) and spend that money over the next 10 years to create a beast that’s yours
Where is the validity in buying something off the shelf
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@DubSpur is right, prior to Saudi Sportswashing Machine, the idea of buying a cheaper club made sense, but how they have struggled to invest even with 320B behind them is a lesson.

The limitations of PSR/FFP means a Sheffield Wed/Bristol will never be able to leverage the full wallet of a state type investor. Look at Leicester, they literally won the PL & FA Cup, it hasn't even brought their revenue up to a West Ham/Everton level.

Spurs due to price has a very small target buyer, but for that buyer, location (London), existing revenue, lack of infrastructure spend required, global brand name, financials in good state, all the right boxes ticked.
 
Lilbaz said:
The prem is a lot richer. The smaller teams can buy better talent. Most other leagues in europe have massive problems financially. But the bigger teams in europe are still as strong if not stronger than the top teams in the prem.
How many english teams got to the finals of european competitions last season?
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One season is a tiny sample size.

It is also more difficult for English teams to go all the way in Europe because, unlike the big teams in the other major European leagues, the standard of the overall league competition is much better so it is much more difficult to rest players for European games.
 
Raziel said:
@DubSpur is right, prior to Saudi Sportswashing Machine, the idea of buying a cheaper club made sense, but how they have struggled to invest even with 320B behind them is a lesson.

The limitations of PSR/FFP means a Sheffield Wed/Bristol will never be able to leverage the full wallet of a state type investor. Look at Leicester, they literally won the PL & FA Cup, it hasn't even brought their revenue up to a West Ham/Everton level.

Spurs due to price has a very small target buyer, but for that buyer, location (London), existing revenue, lack of infrastructure spend required, global brand name, financials in good state, all the right boxes ticked.
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Form what I’ve heard they haven’t struggled
They have Chosen not to spend and focussed on sports where they can dominate like boxing and some motor sport
They don’t like sports that they can’t “own”
I’ve heard that from two different people who are experts on Saudi
 
Lilbaz said:
The prem is a lot richer. The smaller teams can buy better talent. Most other leagues in europe have massive problems financially. But the bigger teams in europe are still as strong if not stronger than the top teams in the prem.
How many english teams got to the finals of european competitions last season?
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That’s not a real measure imo
Teams in Europe can sacrifice league games because their league is weaker and they know they can catch up
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Form what I’ve heard they haven’t struggled
They have Chosen not to spend and focussed on sports where they can dominate like boxing and some motor sport
They don’t like sports that they can’t “own”
I’ve heard that from two different people who are experts on Saudi
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They can't spend due to profitability and sustainability rules. They need to sell to buy.
 
Finney Is Back said:
The people interested in buying THFC aren't necessarily interested just to make money. We've gone through that stage now. Lewis and Levy were those buyers and have milked that cow and increased their own net worth by a significant amount.

Our next buyer (should they ever arrive) will be one who is buying us for prestige and power, not just to make money.
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I think another enormous factor for any buyer is you are essentially getting in on a whole other sport with the NFL. It feels inevitable that the NFL will end up an international league, and political situations not withstanding, we have positioned ourselves perfectly to be a home for the London team which would/will emerge. Add that to the increasing volume of live events being booked in at the stadium, and alongside the prestige of it all, there is a genuine multi-platform revenue and exposure stream which no other stadium has. Even a new Old Trafford or Stamford Bridge would be behind from the get-go unless they, too, engage the NFL in their builds. That's a huge factor - NFL have so many rules and stipulations for how stadiums have to be to house teams, and we've cleared all of them already by being in a partnership. Again, politics not withstanding, I think we're destined to be bought by American interests.
 
Grays_1890 said:
But thats not really a reflection of the quality of the Prem, if the Italian league was that of the 90s and so on and so on then yeh, but being able to out run the fat kid in the playground doesn't make me Linford Christie
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gonads! Next you'll fudging tell me Santa doesn't exist!
 
Finney Is Back said:
Sorry but I just don't agree that suddenly there are less talented footballers in the world. I suspect levels of talent in footballers have always followed a similar path with a top 10% then another 10% etc, etc.... The difference is that now more of that top N% of players are playing their football in the Premier League.

The European set up being 'weak and almost bankrupt' as you put it means that the talented players are now more likely to play in England where the money is. That is making the PL stronger.

You see the gap between the 'elite' clubs and the non elite clubs in the PL reducing and assume that it is because the elite clubs are regressing. Whereas a far more likely explanation is that the non elite clubs are improving. The elite clubs have always been able to buy the best players, and they still can, the difference now is that the non-elite clubs can also afford to shop in the pool of top talent.
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It's a really interesting discussion. I think, in short, that over the last few decades we've seen the game move to a place where it is unwilling to accommodate single-attribute players. So having bags of skill and sass a la Stan Bowles, Tony Currie, Alan Hudson, Alfie Conn is simnply not going to hack it anymore. We saw it with the likes of Taraabt and to a lesser extent Edwards; you have to bring that very functional, physical element to your game too. It's one of the reasons someone like Berba really stood out to me, because he was an absolute maverick of 70s standards yet did not employ the graft element in his game because, well, it didn't interest him. He was a rare, rare bird in that regard. So perhaps it is simply the trajectory of modern football, which increasingly prefers really good multi-faceted talents rather than mercurial geniuses who would not countenance tracking back???
 
Lilbaz said:
Psg maybe. No italian, spanish or even byern (now) can really sacrifice games. They are either fighting for the title or a cl place.
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Bayern are gonna end up 9/10 points clear
In Italy you have Napoli as the odd ball because of no Europe
Spanish league is a mess as no one seems to want to the title
But we know that when it diene to the crunch they will sacrifice one for the other
 
thfcsteff said:
It's a really interesting discussion. I think, in short, that over the last few decades we've seen the game move to a place where it is unwilling to accommodate single-attribute players. So having bags of skill and sass a la Stan Bowles, Tony Currie, Alan Hudson, Alfie Conn is simnply not going to hack it anymore. We saw it with the likes of Taraabt and to a lesser extent Edwards; you have to bring that very functional, physical element to your game too. It's one of the reasons someone like Berba really stood out to me, because he was an absolute maverick of 70s standards yet did not employ the graft element in his game because, well, it didn't interest him. He was a rare, rare bird in that regard. So perhaps it is simply the trajectory of modern football, which increasingly prefers really good multi-faceted talents rather than mercurial geniuses who would not countenance tracking back???
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My perspective here is that the tripod of governance, rules and officiating has been a massive part of this change. It's not all for the worse, but I can't imagine all those special talents from the past existing so well in a world where the dark arts win the day, and the referees just let it all happen. More still, all the talent used to be through the middle of the pitch. It's now moved to the inside channels. Even modern greats like KDB have had to adapt where they do the damage as the middle spaces are so congested with all those amazing athletes that don't necessarily have the technical abilities of Kevin. Would Gazza have even been a centre mid in this day and age or would be a frustrated winger like Grealish?

The one thing I don't believe is that there is any less natural talent though. It's just the nurturing over the top of it that is different.
 
Qatar have invested hundreds of millions in London, buying the Shard and all the top hotels and restaurants, and are definitely looking to invest many tens of millions more each year in LONDON (not other cities).

So if Qatar buys Spurs it will be a small investment for them, even if it costs £5B that is peanuts if they are throwing £100Bn around over the course of a few years.

They want it for the prestige, it opens doors, it gets them invites to top level meetings and discussions and politics and contracts and back handers. They aren't trying to eke out another £1Bn in profit from it, it is the prestige and it must be in London.





Therefore, simply put, if Qatar are *definitely* going to buy a London club, would you want it to be Spurs or A.N.Other?

PS - it is not the PSG guys. Those guys are not so well aligned with the rulers of Qatar, it would be more wealthy guys than the PSG guys
 
Bullet said:
Qatar have invested hundreds of millions in London, buying the Shard and all the top hotels and restaurants, and are definitely looking to invest many tens of millions more each year in LONDON (not other cities).

So if Qatar buys Spurs it will be a small investment for them, even if it costs £5B that is peanuts if they are throwing £100Bn around over the course of a few years.

They want it for the prestige, it opens doors, it gets them invites to top level meetings and discussions and politics and contracts and back handers. They aren't trying to eke out another £1Bn in profit from it, it is the prestige and it must be in London.





Therefore, simply put, if Qatar are *definitely* going to buy a London club, would you want it to be Spurs or A.N.Other?

PS - it is not the PSG guys. Those guys are not so well aligned with the rulers of Qatar, it would be more wealthy guys than the PSG guys
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Leyton Orient are welcome to them
 
Bullet said:
Qatar have invested hundreds of millions in London, buying the Shard and all the top hotels and restaurants, and are definitely looking to invest many tens of millions more each year in LONDON (not other cities).

So if Qatar buys Spurs it will be a small investment for them, even if it costs £5B that is peanuts if they are throwing £100Bn around over the course of a few years.

They want it for the prestige, it opens doors, it gets them invites to top level meetings and discussions and politics and contracts and back handers. They aren't trying to eke out another £1Bn in profit from it, it is the prestige and it must be in London.





Therefore, simply put, if Qatar are *definitely* going to buy a London club, would you want it to be Spurs or A.N.Other?

PS - it is not the PSG guys. Those guys are not so well aligned with the rulers of Qatar, it would be more wealthy guys than the PSG guys
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PSG are owned by the qatar public wealth fund. Which is qatar. Controlled by their ruler.
 
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