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[milo]

There are two very serious shortcomings with your analysis.

1. The significant majority of that income came from two sales, Modric and Bale. As discussed above these have been the only examples of success rather than the norm.

2. I am not sure how you saw these signings at the time but out of every signing we have made since 2004, these two were some of the most promising, i.e. certainly in my top 5. They were at the front of the distribution when they signed on potential and price and they stayed there. There were 30-40 players closer to the mean who were cheaper had less to no potential and more closely represent this summer's signings. A more typical set of examples for the policy would be Holtby, sandro, dos Santos, edman, pav, or mido.

You would do better to perform the analysis again without bale and modric included as they were clearly atypical and not representative of the rest.

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The problem is that your reading of it needs to discount some players to make it work. Mine doesn't.

 

[Andyandy]

The problem is that your reading of it needs to discount some players to make it work. Mine doesn't.

Your right, if you don't think about it.


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[Jordinho]

There are two very serious shortcomings with your analysis.

1. The significant majority of that income came from two sales, Modric and Bale. As discussed above these have been the only examples of success rather than the norm.

2. I am not sure how you saw these signings at the time but out of every signing we have made since 2004, these two were some of the most promising, i.e. certainly in my top 5. They were at the front of the distribution when they signed on potential and price and they stayed there. There were 30-40 players closer to the mean who were cheaper had less to no potential and more closely represent this summer's signings. A more typical set of examples for the policy would be Holtby, sandro, dos Santos, edman, pav, or mido.

You would do better to perform the analysis again without bale and modric included as they were clearly atypical and not representative of the rest.




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Berbatov
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I would also include players like Lennon, Huddlestone, Ekotto, Kaboul, Defoe, Keane just off the top of my head as players that didn't quite do it for the top clubs, meaning we could get them and for a reasonable fee. Some have been hampered by injuries, but if we had sold them in their prime we would have made a lot of money.

If we'd sold Lennon for 15-20 million to Manu back in the day there would have been riots, now people want to give him away.

 

[milo]

Your right, if you don't think about it.


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You are not doing yourself any favours by wanting to cherry pick data to suit your argument and refusing to say whether you think that we would be stronger this season if we had made one world class signing rather than the six decent players we did sign. It feels like you are arguing for the sake of it now.

 

[Andyandy]

Berbatov
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I would also include players like Lennon, Huddlestone, Ekotto, Kaboul, Defoe, Keane just off the top of my head as players that didn't quite do it for the top clubs, meaning we could get them and for a reasonable fee. Some have been hampered by injuries, but if we had sold them in their prime we would have made a lot of money.

If we'd sold Lennon for 15-20 million to Manu back in the day there would have been riots, now people want to give him away.

Yes lots of players went through...too many but like I say above it's silly to judge the process as successful on the basis of selling bale. Bale may well end up being the best British player of the modern era which makes him unique.


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[SteveAWOL]

good perspective shift there. that's why the stadium is important to give us a step shift in revenue. champions league participation too for the extra income boost.

Considering Spurs' annual revenues were a third less than Saudi Sportswashing Machine' and not far ahead of Aston Villa back in 2004, it does go to show what a good job Levy has done that we are now regularly featuring on the fringes of Europe's footballing financial elite whilst those 2 clubs have disappeared into mid-table mediocrity.

https://www.deloitte.com/assets/Dco...Documents/DeloitteFootballMoneyLeague2005.pdf

Our Champions League run helped boost income by £45m in 2012, so can imagine how apoplectic Levy was at the end of the "mind the gap" campaign to miss out on another windfall by just 1 point.

And every season that the new stadium has been delayed deprives the club of £40m+ in matchday revenue, at least that might be remedied soon which should allow Spurs to compete for the top players and honours again after the doldrums of Sir Alan' chairmanship.

@SwissRamble: PL match day: some big differences #MUFC £109m, #AFC £93m, #CFC £71m, #LFC £45m, #THFC £40m, #MCFC £40m, #Saudi Sportswashing Machine £28m.

 

[Andyandy]

You are not doing yourself any favours by wanting to cherry pick data to suit your argument and refusing to say whether you think that we would be stronger this season if we had made one world class signing rather than the six decent players we did sign. It feels like you are arguing for the sake of it now.

We are arguing? I am looking at the same data and analysing it a bit deeper.

1. The six players we signed are not as good as bale/modric when we signed them. I am not a big fan of them but they will be good replacement for Dawson. I would not have signed anybody but dier and the Sevilla captain.

2. I would have dramatically trimmed the squad to 18 players not including u21 youth players. Thus yes the squad would have been totally different.


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[Baleforce]

the position we are in we need that X factor player, we can't afford to go man for man with our rivals so we need to have one player capable of beating them on his own, else we will never get back in the CL, which is the whole point

 

[glorygloryeze]

the position we are in we need that X factor player, we can't afford to go man for man with our rivals so we need to have one player capable of beating them on his own, else we will never get back in the CL, which is the whole point

The frustrating thing was we had that player in Bale; we should really have had two consecutive years in the CL: should have qualified in 2012 by finishing 3rd. That happens we keep Modric, probably have the allure to really replace VDV and possibly King. We then likely get the extra points and goals to qualify again in 2013. No need to Bale to leave yet etc etc

I don't want to turn this into a Harry thread, but just imagine he paid 5 to 10% more attention to Spurs after his court case win??

Sigh...

 

[billyiddo]

the only way we can get a player like that is to sign them before they reach that level.

 

[milo]

We are arguing? I am looking at the same data and analysing it a bit deeper.

1. The six players we signed are not as good as bale/modric when we signed them. I am not a big fan of them but they will be good replacement for Dawson. I would not have signed anybody but dier and the Sevilla captain.

You would have gone into the season with Rose as our only left back again?

2. I would have dramatically trimmed the squad to 18 players not including u21 youth players. Thus yes the squad would have been totally different.

You can only sell players when there are buyers or when players are prepared to join the clubs that are interested in them. By all accounts we were prepared to let more players go but could not move them on.

Given that you want to trim the squad and that the consensus seems to be that you need two players for each positions, what would you have done to make up the squad numbers? How many of the youth players do you think are ready to be first team understudies?

 

[Baleforce]

the only way we can get a player like that is to sign them before they reach that level.

I agree, it's as much a failing of our scouting network as it is our recruitment policy, we should have had the next bale in the squad before Madrid picked up the phone

 

[milo]

I agree, it's as much a failing of our scouting network as it is our recruitment policy, we should have had the next bale in the squad before Madrid picked up the phone

How often does a next Bale come along?

 

[glorygloryeze]

the only way we can get a player like that is to sign them before they reach that level.

Indeed. Unless we're cash rich and regularly in the CL.
Damian Comolli did a better job with us than at Liverpool that's for sure..

 

[billyiddo]

Berbatov>Modric>Bale we then kinda neglected signing players with potential, but now have Eriksen and Lamela who could potentially take the step up and im sure if we continue down this path we'll strike gold once again.


[whoopwhoop] and then Levy can sell them off and pocket the money at the first opportunity! [/whoopwhoop]

 

[glorygloryeze]

I agree, it's as much a failing of our scouting network as it is our recruitment policy, we should have had the next bale in the squad before Madrid picked up the phone

Eh? If it was that easy, would all our competitors be doing just that??

 

[Baleforce]

How often does a next Bale come along?

regularly, we've signed a couple with the bale money in Eriksen and Lamela

 

[glorygloryeze]

Berbatov>Modric>Bale we then kinda neglected signing players with potential, but now have Eriksen and Lamela who could potentially take the step up and im sure if we continue down this path we'll strike gold once again.


[whoopwhoop] and then Levy can sell them off and pocket money at the first opportunity! [/whoopwhoop]

:lol:

Reads like an American cheerleader!

 

[Baleforce]

Eh? If it was that easy, would all our competitors be doing just that??

I'm not saying it's easy, but that seems to be our niche, we were so good at it for so long then we suddenly stop, it's frustrating

if that's put game plan we need to make sure we nail it

 

[jimmyb]

We are arguing? I am looking at the same data and analysing it a bit deeper.

1. The six players we signed are not as good as bale/modric when we signed them. I am not a big fan of them but they will be good replacement for Dawson. I would not have signed anybody but dier and the Sevilla captain.

2. I would have dramatically trimmed the squad to 18 players not including u21 youth players. Thus yes the squad would have been totally different.


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I'm both delighted and relieved, in equal measure, that you have nothing to do with the running of our club, then!

Oh, and........you wouldn't have signed a left back? Really? Not even to have given Danny Rose at least some competition?

And you'd be happy for Brad to remain as our second choice keeper? Despite the fact that he's completely unsuited to what is expected of a keeper in Poch's system?

Baffling.