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I agree, it's as much a failing of our scouting network as it is our recruitment policy, we should have had the next bale in the squad before Madrid picked up the phone


well we abandoned that policy for a few seasons when we put Redknapp in charge, who focused purely on the first team - this period saw us at our best in the league but also saw us stop signing up players with a view to 3/4/5 years down the line. so now we are experiencing a bit of a short fall in that area.
 
The frustrating thing was we had that player in Bale; we should really have had two consecutive years in the CL: should have qualified in 2012 by finishing 3rd. That happens we keep Modric, probably have the allure to really replace VDV and possibly King. We then likely get the extra points and goals to qualify again in 2013. No need to Bale to leave yet etc etc

I don't want to turn this into a Harry thread, but just imagine he paid 5 to 10% more attention to Spurs after his court case win??

Sigh...

Or if Levy had spent more than pocket change during Harry's reign.
 
I'm both delighted and relieved, in equal measure, that you have nothing to do with the running of our club, then!

Oh, and........you wouldn't have signed a left back? Really? Not even to have given Danny Rose at least some competition?

And you'd be happy for Brad to remain as our second choice keeper? Despite the fact that he's completely unsuited to what is expected of a keeper in Poch's system?

Baffling.

Typical short term thinking, evolution doesn't take a summer.

So I've mapped out the baffling alternative to the current status quo. i.e. to trim the squad and spend more money on fewer transfers, i.e. quality in its many forms over quantity. To fill any short term gaps we use u21s.

Based on the budgets outlined above, what is they way forward? Please make it realistic and not based only on chance. I.e. don't include the following:

1. Sign once in a generation players at 18. Repeat x11.
2. Get a really good manager who will do it for us....somebody like Brendan Rogers.
3. Try to win the Europa league and qualify for the champions league like that!
4. Buy a replacement for Danny Rose and then it's all perfect!
5. & worst all, wait for the small capacity rise with the new stadium to kick in and scale our income up by 15-25%, oh yeh that's only after the debt management period is over in about 2025.


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well we abandoned that policy for a few seasons when we put Redknapp in charge, who focused purely on the first team - this period saw us at our best in the league but also saw us stop signing up players with a view to 3/4/5 years down the line. so now we are experiencing a bit of a short fall in that area.

It's a fair assessment to say that our most successful period in recent history was under Harry Redknapp. Difficult to say how much he benefitted from the previous commoli led transfer era too. Furthermore it is hard to say who we would have signed because of the transfer policy and who would have been signed anyway.

The reality is that bale and modric should have been signed regardless of any specific policy as they were talented young players touted by all our rivals.


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Typical short term thinking, evolution doesn't take a summer.

So I've mapped out the baffling alternative to the current status quo. i.e. to trim the squad and spend more money on fewer transfers, i.e. quality in its many forms over quantity. To fill any short term gaps we use u21s.

Based on the budgets outlined above, what is they way forward? Please make it realistic and not based only on chance. I.e. don't include the following:

1. Sign once in a generation players at 18. Repeat x11.
2. Get a really good manager who will do it for us....somebody like Brendan Rogers.
3. Try to win the Europa league and qualify for the champions league like that!
4. Buy a replacement for Danny Rose and then it's all perfect!
5. & worst all, wait for the small capacity rise with the new stadium to kick in and scale our income up by 15-25%, oh yeh that's only after the debt management period is over in about 2025.


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No......what you've "mapped out" is a surefire route to the club being incapable of coping with the demands of a Premier League season coupled with Europa League (or Champions League, should it come to it), FA Cup and League Cup involvement beyond the early stages.
 
Typical short term thinking, evolution doesn't take a summer.

So I've mapped out the baffling alternative to the current status quo. i.e. to trim the squad and spend more money on fewer transfers, i.e. quality in its many forms over quantity. To fill any short term gaps we use u21s.

Based on the budgets outlined above, what is they way forward? Please make it realistic and not based only on chance. I.e. don't include the following:

1. Sign once in a generation players at 18. Repeat x11.
2. Get a really good manager who will do it for us....somebody like Brendan Rogers.
3. Try to win the Europa league and qualify for the champions league like that!
4. Buy a replacement for Danny Rose and then it's all perfect!
5. & worst all, wait for the small capacity rise with the new stadium to kick in and scale our income up by 15-25%, oh yeh that's only after the debt management period is over in about 2025.


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Hmmmmm. Why do you feel those 5 items happen only 'by chance'? I think all would be the complete opposite of a "by chance" scenario....

1. Over the years we signed a number of young promising players from overseas and/or the lower leagues..... Lennon, Huddlestone, Dawson, Reid, Bale, Carrick, Rose, Modric, Dos Santos, Ceballos, Falque to name just a few.... Bale was a very hot prospect that every big PL club wanted. Our record of signing and playing hot prospects helped us to get the deal done for that particular player. If we implement a strategy of signing young, highly rated players before they have fully blossomed then it is likely that some sort of portion of them will turn into true superstars, worth a huge amount in the transfer market.

2. Why is getting a really good manager something of 'chance'? Surely picking and keeping the right manager is something that is completely within our power?

3. Surely winning the Europa League is a reasonably achievable way of qualifying for the CL? Granted it is a very difficult competition to win, but surely we should be aiming to win it?

4. I don't think anyone thinks buying a replacement for Danny Rose makes everything perfect. However I think most sensible fans would say that things would be FAR from perfect if we (again) went into a season with only one senior left back at the club. Additionally having seen the youths at Spurs there isn't a single left sided defensive player who could fill in without it being detrimental to the team if and when Rose get's injured.

5. The "small" (actually 55%) capacity rise would make a very large difference to our revenue, in fact it is likely to make a bigger difference to our revenue than the monies that come from qualifying for and playing in the Champions League. It will not solve all of our problems and make us able to blow the 5 clubs who currently have the highest turnover out of the water, but it at least allows us to get closer to them and increase our wage bill.

If you feel that we would only see the benefit of the stadium after 2025 then I think perhaps you fail to grasp simple economics, after all we do not have to spend the first x years completely paying the stadium off and receiving no benefit. Have you not considered that the stadium debt would be structured over a number of years with part of our extra revenue servicing this debt and part of the extra revenue being available for the football club to spend?

The reaility of the situation is that we have 4 competitions to participate in. 3 of those 4 competitions we have a chance of winning and should be aiming to do so. This leaves the Premier League and of course it's not like we can take our eye off of that either. This necessitates having a decent sized first team squad. If we implemented a first team squad of 18 players plus youths then we would be throwing some of our younger players to the wolves, they are simply not yet ready to play at the highest level, remember that most of those players that you consider not to be good enough are actually full internationals for decent footballing countries.

Your proposed strategy would concentrate on spending all of our resources each transfer window on a single player. The problem being that players of that ilk probably do not want to sign for a club such as us due to us not yet dining at the top table and that's before we consider the fact that we cannot get anywhere near affording their wages. If we look at the last transfer window then I guess the players that fitted with your strategy would've been any of: Falcao, Di Maria, Sanchez, Costa or Fabregas? How do we attract such players ahead of the clubs who signed them?

There is also no guarantee that the 'superstar' players would settle in OK and be successful, if the player isn't successful then we are left with a player we have paid a huge transfer fee for, earning huge wages that become very difficult to shift without losing a significant amount of money. Arsenal paid a huge amount of money for Ozil for example and one could probably argue that he has been less successful than Eriksen. Unlike Arsenal, we could not afford to make such a mistake in the transfer market.

I think signing a number of promising but not yet global superstar players is a sensible strategy for our club. Of course some of those players will fail, but at least the financial loss on those shouldn't be too bad and if a percentage of the signings develop and turn into top class players then we either try to retain and use that top class player or, if we have to/choose to, we sell and use the profit to strengthen further. This strategy worked well for us for a number of years - taking us from a midtable team (at best) to a regular in the top 6. Personally I think that the problem was that last Summer, awash with cash from the Gareth Bale sale we adjusted our policy a little and tried to make some marquee signings for big money in Soldado and Lamela, for differing reasons both of those signings then failed to have any positive impact.

The club who have probably best demonstrated how to get there is Athletico Madrid..... and how did they go about doing that? Well as far as I can see they implemented a policy of the first three of those things that you put down to happening "by chance"....

1. Signing young promising players and then (often) selling them on at a huge profit - Torres, Falcao, Costa, etc).
2. Bringing in a good, young manager in Simeone.
3. Really going for (and winning) the Europa League.

As opposed to improving our fortunes, I feel that implementing your strategy would be more likely to result in us slipping down the pecking order - both in terms of our competetiveness in the league/cups that we play in and also in terms of our financial outlook.
 
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So in essence Andyandy would prefer to sign one £40m player on £200kpw rather than four players for £10m each on £50kpw each?

I do know where you are coming from, we ended up with about 7 similar players in similar positions, which is a bit of a waste and poor planning as many of them won't play much, e.g. Sigg or Holtby or Townsend. In that scenario it feels like you would rather have one great player than 4 of the similar average players.

But across the squad as a whole? Hmm, it relies on the few brilliant players being fit most of the time for league and cup games.

I guess you are thinking of Ars-anal and Cheatski keeping almost the same back 5 each year and those players being largely fit (from afar) so it is frustrating to have so many backups which are nearly as good as the first choices... whereas those clubs clearly have better first choice players.
 
Hmmmmm. Why do you feel those 5 items happen only 'by chance'? I think all would be the complete opposite of a "by chance" scenario....

1. Over the years we signed a number of young promising players from overseas and/or the lower leagues..... Lennon, Huddlestone, Dawson, Reid, Bale, Carrick, Rose, Modric, Dos Santos, Ceballos, Falque to name just a few.... Bale was a very hot prospect that every big PL club wanted. Our record of signing and playing hot prospects helped us to get the deal done for that particular player. If we implement a strategy of signing young, highly rated players before they have fully blossomed then it is likely that some sort of portion of them will turn into true superstars, worth a huge amount in the transfer market.

2. Why is getting a really good manager something of 'chance'? Surely picking and keeping the right manager is something that is completely within our power?

3. Surely winning the Europa League is a reasonably achievable way of qualifying for the CL? Granted it is a very difficult competition to win, but surely we should be aiming to win it?

4. I don't think anyone thinks buying a replacement for Danny Rose makes everything perfect. However I think most sensible fans would say that things would be FAR from perfect if we (again) went into a season with only one senior left back at the club. Additionally having seen the youths at Spurs there isn't a single left sided defensive player who could fill in without it being detrimental to the team if and when Rose get's injured.

5. The "small" (actually 55%) capacity rise would make a very large difference to our revenue, in fact it is likely to make a bigger difference to our revenue than the monies that come from qualifying for and playing in the Champions League. It will not solve all of our problems and make us able to blow the 5 clubs who currently have the highest turnover out of the water, but it at least allows us to get closer to them and increase our wage bill.

If you feel that we would only see the benefit of the stadium after 2025 then I think perhaps you fail to grasp simple economics, after all we do not have to spend the first x years completely paying the stadium off and receiving no benefit. Have you not considered that the stadium debt would be structured over a number of years with part of our extra revenue servicing this debt and part of the extra revenue being available for the football club to spend?

The reaility of the situation is that we have 4 competitions to participate in. 3 of those 4 competitions we have a chance of winning and should be aiming to do so. This leaves the Premier League and of course it's not like we can take our eye off of that either. This necessitates having a decent sized first team squad. If we implemented a first team squad of 18 players plus youths then we would be throwing some of our younger players to the wolves, they are simply not yet ready to play at the highest level, remember that most of those players that you consider not to be good enough are actually full internationals for decent footballing countries.

Your proposed strategy would concentrate on spending all of our resources each transfer window on a single player. The problem being that players of that ilk probably do not want to sign for a club such as us due to us not yet dining at the top table and that's before we consider the fact that we cannot get anywhere near affording their wages. If we look at the last transfer window then I guess the players that fitted with your strategy would've been any of: Falcao, Di Maria, Sanchez, Costa or Fabregas? How do we attract such players ahead of the clubs who signed them?

There is also no guarantee that the 'superstar' players would settle in OK and be successful, if the player isn't successful then we are left with a player we have paid a huge transfer fee for, earning huge wages that become very difficult to shift without losing a significant amount of money. Arsenal paid a huge amount of money for Ozil for example and one could probably argue that he has been less successful than Eriksen. Unlike Arsenal, we could not afford to make such a mistake in the transfer market.

I think signing a number of promising but not yet global superstar players is a sensible strategy for our club. Of course some of those players will fail, but at least the financial loss on those shouldn't be too bad and if a percentage of the signings develop and turn into top class players then we either try to retain and use that top class player or, if we have to/choose to, we sell and use the profit to strengthen further. This strategy worked well for us for a number of years - taking us from a midtable team (at best) to a regular in the top 6. Personally I think that the problem was that last Summer, awash with cash from the Gareth Bale sale we adjusted our policy a little and tried to make some marquee signings for big money in Soldado and Lamela, for differing reasons both of those signings then failed to have any positive impact.

The club who have probably best demonstrated how to get there is Athletico Madrid..... and how did they go about doing that? Well as far as I can see they implemented a policy of the first three of those things that you put down to happening "by chance"....

1. Signing young promising players and then (often) selling them on at a huge profit - Torres, Falcao, Costa, etc).
2. Bringing in a good, young manager in Simeone.
3. Really going for (and winning) the Europa League.

As opposed to improving our fortunes, I feel that implementing your strategy would be more likely to result in us slipping down the pecking order - both in terms of our competetiveness in the league/cups that we play in and also in terms of our financial outlook.
That's a top post right there
 
So in essence Andyandy would prefer to sign one £40m player on £200kpw rather than four players for £10m each on £50kpw each?

Yes this is precisely what I think. I currently think we could maintain one such player reasonably quickly.

To go beyond one would be a risk but if our youth system keeps producing players like Townsend, Kane, Bentleb etc., i.e. the equivalent to these £5-15 m imported signings, it might be possible to expand the policy.
 
Yes this is precisely what I think. I currently think we could maintain one such player reasonably quickly.

To go beyond one would be a risk but if our youth system keeps producing players like Townsend, Kane, Bentleb etc., i.e. the equivalent to these £5-15 m imported signings, it might be possible to expand the policy.

Lots of challenges with those assumptions, the two easiest are

1. What 40M player would come to Spurs (if his price is that high, likely other bigger buyers are available)
2. your second tier players are going to demand wage increases, see Scum as good example of how wages for mediocre players can be.
 
Yes this is precisely what I think. I currently think we could maintain one such player reasonably quickly.

To go beyond one would be a risk but if our youth system keeps producing players like Townsend, Kane, Bentleb etc., i.e. the equivalent to these £5-15 m imported signings, it might be possible to expand the policy.

So I will go back to my question again - how do we go about signing the £40 million player?.... In the transfer window just gone - here is the list of players sold for a fee of greater than £30 million:

James Rodriguez. Monaco to Real Madrid. £71 million
Luis Suarez. Liverpool to Barcelona. £65 million
Angel Di Maria. Real Madrid to Man Utd. £59 million.
David Luiz. Chelsea to PSG. £40 million
Alexis Sanchez. Barcelona to Arsenal. £35 million.
Diego Costa. Athletico Madrid to Chelsea. £32 million
Eliaquim Mangala. Porto to Emirates Marketing Project. £32 million.
Cesc Fabregas. Barcelona to Chelsea. £30 million.

Which of these players do you think we could've signed? and if none of these then which player do you thinkwe could've signed for our offer of £40 million where the player would've accepted joining us and where having agreed a deal we wouldn't see one of the above mentioned 10 clubs coming in and gazumping us?
 
So I will go back to my question again - how do we go about signing the £40 million player?.... In the transfer window just gone - here is the list of players sold for a fee of greater than £30 million:

James Rodriguez. Monaco to Real Madrid. £71 million
Luis Suarez. Liverpool to Barcelona. £65 million
Angel Di Maria. Real Madrid to Man Utd. £59 million.
David Luiz. Chelsea to PSG. £40 million
Alexis Sanchez. Barcelona to Arsenal. £35 million.
Diego Costa. Athletico Madrid to Chelsea. £32 million
Eliaquim Mangala. Porto to Emirates Marketing Project. £32 million.
Cesc Fabregas. Barcelona to Chelsea. £30 million.

Which of these players do you think we could've signed? and if none of these then which player do you thinkwe could've signed for our offer of £40 million where the player would've accepted joining us and where having agreed a deal we wouldn't see one of the above mentioned 10 clubs coming in and gazumping us?

The only way that we would stand a chance of signing any of those players is if we offered to pay them significantly more than they could earn at Chelsea, Emirates Marketing Project, Man United, Barca, Real Madrid, Arsenal etc. and even then it would be a tough sell because they would have less chance of winning anything with us, especially when a load of youth team players destined for Championship loans have just been promoted to the first team squad.
 
Hmmmmm. Why do you feel those 5 items happen only 'by chance'? I think all would be the complete opposite of a "by chance" scenario....

1. Over the years we signed a number of young promising players from overseas and/or the lower leagues..... Lennon, Huddlestone, Dawson, Reid, Bale, Carrick, Rose, Modric, Dos Santos, Ceballos, Falque to name just a few.... Bale was a very hot prospect that every big PL club wanted. Our record of signing and playing hot prospects helped us to get the deal done for that particular player. If we implement a strategy of signing young, highly rated players before they have fully blossomed then it is likely that some sort of portion of them will turn into true superstars, worth a huge amount in the transfer market.

2. Why is getting a really good manager something of 'chance'? Surely picking and keeping the right manager is something that is completely within our power?

3. Surely winning the Europa League is a reasonably achievable way of qualifying for the CL? Granted it is a very difficult competition to win, but surely we should be aiming to win it?

4. I don't think anyone thinks buying a replacement for Danny Rose makes everything perfect. However I think most sensible fans would say that things would be FAR from perfect if we (again) went into a season with only one senior left back at the club. Additionally having seen the youths at Spurs there isn't a single left sided defensive player who could fill in without it being detrimental to the team if and when Rose get's injured.

5. The "small" (actually 55%) capacity rise would make a very large difference to our revenue, in fact it is likely to make a bigger difference to our revenue than the monies that come from qualifying for and playing in the Champions League. It will not solve all of our problems and make us able to blow the 5 clubs who currently have the highest turnover out of the water, but it at least allows us to get closer to them and increase our wage bill.

If you feel that we would only see the benefit of the stadium after 2025 then I think perhaps you fail to grasp simple economics, after all we do not have to spend the first x years completely paying the stadium off and receiving no benefit. Have you not considered that the stadium debt would be structured over a number of years with part of our extra revenue servicing this debt and part of the extra revenue being available for the football club to spend?

The reaility of the situation is that we have 4 competitions to participate in. 3 of those 4 competitions we have a chance of winning and should be aiming to do so. This leaves the Premier League and of course it's not like we can take our eye off of that either. This necessitates having a decent sized first team squad. If we implemented a first team squad of 18 players plus youths then we would be throwing some of our younger players to the wolves, they are simply not yet ready to play at the highest level, remember that most of those players that you consider not to be good enough are actually full internationals for decent footballing countries.

Your proposed strategy would concentrate on spending all of our resources each transfer window on a single player. The problem being that players of that ilk probably do not want to sign for a club such as us due to us not yet dining at the top table and that's before we consider the fact that we cannot get anywhere near affording their wages. If we look at the last transfer window then I guess the players that fitted with your strategy would've been any of: Falcao, Di Maria, Sanchez, Costa or Fabregas? How do we attract such players ahead of the clubs who signed them?

There is also no guarantee that the 'superstar' players would settle in OK and be successful, if the player isn't successful then we are left with a player we have paid a huge transfer fee for, earning huge wages that become very difficult to shift without losing a significant amount of money. Arsenal paid a huge amount of money for Ozil for example and one could probably argue that he has been less successful than Eriksen. Unlike Arsenal, we could not afford to make such a mistake in the transfer market.

I think signing a number of promising but not yet global superstar players is a sensible strategy for our club. Of course some of those players will fail, but at least the financial loss on those shouldn't be too bad and if a percentage of the signings develop and turn into top class players then we either try to retain and use that top class player or, if we have to/choose to, we sell and use the profit to strengthen further. This strategy worked well for us for a number of years - taking us from a midtable team (at best) to a regular in the top 6. Personally I think that the problem was that last Summer, awash with cash from the Gareth Bale sale we adjusted our policy a little and tried to make some marquee signings for big money in Soldado and Lamela, for differing reasons both of those signings then failed to have any positive impact.

The club who have probably best demonstrated how to get there is Athletico Madrid..... and how did they go about doing that? Well as far as I can see they implemented a policy of the first three of those things that you put down to happening "by chance"....

1. Signing young promising players and then (often) selling them on at a huge profit - Torres, Falcao, Costa, etc).
2. Bringing in a good, young manager in Simeone.
3. Really going for (and winning) the Europa League.

As opposed to improving our fortunes, I feel that implementing your strategy would be more likely to result in us slipping down the pecking order - both in terms of our competetiveness in the league/cups that we play in and also in terms of our financial outlook.

Firstly, the reason why I talk about chance is through classical risk analysis. Its very common in economic analysis in fact! For example, we can say that choosing a manager is our choice and under our direct control. However they are hired based on the evidence of their current skill set & not everything has been tested (an issue in young managers). Furthermore there is a great amount of chance involved in football (even great managers can have disastrous appointments) which means that skill sets they have not used before may well be tested and may well come up short. Ramos would be a very good example of the latter.

Secondly, originally my top 5 over simplistic ideas to avoid was a top 6. The 6th read... Do a Athletico Madrid! I deleted it to trim it to 5 ideas.

As for the three ideas you put forward they are a repeat of the ones to avoid.

1. Sign once in a generation players at 18. Repeat x11.
- Signing young promising players and then (often) selling them on at a huge profit - Torres, Falcao, Costa, etc).
- good idea...we could try that but hang on....all other clubs are trying to do that and have done that since professional football began...new idea please.

2. Get a really good manager who will do it for us....somebody like Brendan Rogers.
- Bringing in a good, young manager in Simeone.
- good idea but we have tried and failed with this "new manager will solve the problem" for more than ten times in recent years. Why do they need to be young anyway?

3. Try to win the Europa league and qualify for the champions league like that!
- Really going for (and winning) the Europa League.
- Yes lets go for it this time, we weren't trying before.

Can I have an original idea please?
 
Lots of challenges with those assumptions, the two easiest are

1. What 40M player would come to Spurs (if his price is that high, likely other bigger buyers are available)
2. your second tier players are going to demand wage increases, see Scum as good example of how wages for mediocre players can be.

Here we say that 40M= a world class player. World class players can be any price typically £30-100m depending on their position, they can also be free or on loan.

However there are many examples over history where world class players have moved from clubs inside the top 10 richest to those in the top 15. We used to chase them but in recent years simply haven't been interested.
 
Here we say that 40M= a world class player. World class players can be any price typically £30-100m depending on their position, they can also be free or on loan.

However there are many examples over history where world class players have moved from clubs inside the top 10 richest to those in the top 15. We used to chase them but in recent years simply haven't been interested.

An easy way out.... I gave you the 8 highest priced transfers of the window just gone. Which of those players would have signed for us instead of the club they went to if we had been in for them?
 
Firstly, the reason why I talk about chance is through classical risk analysis. Its very common in economic analysis in fact! For example, we can say that choosing a manager is our choice and under our direct control. However they are hired based on the evidence of their current skill set & not everything has been tested (an issue in young managers). Furthermore there is a great amount of chance involved in football (even great managers can have disastrous appointments) which means that skill sets they have not used before may well be tested and may well come up short. Ramos would be a very good example of the latter.

There is also a great amount of 'chance' involved when signing a £40 million superstar. The difference is that by pursuing this policy you are in danger of putting all of your eggs in one basket.... As an example here how about Shevchenko for Chelsea?.... A bona-fide, brilliant, proven, centre forward, regarded at the time as one of the best 3 centre forwards in the World with the stats to back that up (granted he was £30 million and not £40 million - but with inflation his price would've been more like £60 million now). Imagine if you had sanctioned using your entire transfer budget to sign him, supplementing the team and squad with 7 (not yet ready) players from the youth team?

Classical Risk Analysis also involves worst case scenario planning and hedging. It would be a brave (probably soon to be unemployed) risk analyst who's advice was to go all out for one particular product (player!) and hope it worked.

You then completely discount what Athletic Madrid have done. Why? I have given you an example of a club who have massively bettered their standing in the game without having to rely on a sugar daddy type. Can you give me an example of a club who have used your methodology to do the same? Perhaps, as you say, it just shows that you are some sort of visionary, who is proposing something that nobody else has thought of.... Or perhaps many have thought of your idea before but dismissed it due to it being unworkable in reality?
 
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An easy way out.... I gave you the 8 highest priced transfers of the window just gone. Which of those players would have signed for us instead of the club they went to if we had been in for them?

0 .. that's the problem with his argument.

Manure had to pay Falcao 340K/w to get him on ****ing loan ...

I don't know how many ways it needs to be said, we don't/can't compete financially with at least 5 other clubs in this league ...
 
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