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[milo]

Thanks for the data. However all these data do is illustrate my point.

We are in the football elite, a few places above the winners of the Spanish league and champions league finalists.

Obviously we aren't Real Madrid so we would need to do it within our budget. I am just saying let's rethink the distribution of this budget toward first team rather than reserve and Europa cup players costing 5-10m each.

It is a total misrepresentation of reality to say that world class players ONLY move for champions league football or to win trophies. This is what they say in the press conference along with "I've supported [insert club name here] since I was a boy".

Players move for lots of reasons, first team football, wanting to play in England, live in London for example, as well as money. Redknapp often talked about this issue money dominates for most.


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Are you arguing that an "all your eggs in one basket" strategy would stand a better chance of delivering trophies that spreading our resources a bit thinner by having a strong squad of good players who are maybe not quite good enough for the teams above us?

 

[Spursalot]

Are you arguing that an "all your eggs in one basket" strategy would stand a better chance of delivering trophies that spreading our resources a bit thinner by having a strong squad of good players who are maybe not quite good enough for the teams above us?

It's not like £50m signings ever fail. Right?

 

[Andyandy]

We signed Bale for a lot less than £10M.

Bale is not really a good example as he was a teenager and an exciting prospect. We also signed him under the noses of arsenal and man utd. He was signed for the future rather than to plug a gap in the the Europa team.


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[scaramanga]

Bale is not really a good example as he was a teenager and an exciting prospect. We also signed him under the noses of arsenal and man utd. He was signed for the future rather than to plug a gap in the the Europa team.


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Why aren't the current crop good prospects?

And how do you know the reasoning behind our new signings?

 

[Andyandy]

Are you arguing that an "all your eggs in one basket" strategy would stand a better chance of delivering trophies that spreading our resources a bit thinner by having a strong squad of good players who are maybe not quite good enough for the teams above us?

Almost, I am saying that transfers should 95% largely follow the current policy plus maintaining one world class player. It's just a rethink of what we do.

The focus should be to build a smaller squad of higher quality and to target the premier league only. Europa cup and league cups should be considered separately and used to bring through our own youth team and keep any reserves fit and motivated.


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[milo]

Almost, I am saying that transfers should 95% largely follow the current policy plus maintaining one world class player. It's just a rethink of what we do.

The focus should be to build a smaller squad of higher quality and to target the premier league only. Europa cup and league cups should be considered separately and used to bring through our own youth team and keep any reserves fit and motivated.


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The maths doesn't add up there. If we had signed a world class player this summer, and not changed our overall spend or increased our wage bill, they would have been our only signing. Do you think that we would be in a stronger position to challenge this season if we had done that?

 

[Andyandy]

Why aren't the current crop good prospects?

And how do you know the reasoning behind our new signings?

I am not talking about specific players here, just our overall transfer dealings since 2004 when it's clear the current policy started.


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[Andyandy]

The maths doesn't add up there. If we had signed a world class player this summer, and not changed our overall spend or increased our wage bill, they would have been our only signing. Do you think that we would be in a stronger position to challenge this season if we had done that?

It's not about short term thinking, about trophies or specific matches. You certainly don't sign a world class player every summer. Only when the player is needed and right for the club. They have to be a good fit and to have the right character. Somebody for younger players to learn from and for the fans to get behind.








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[milo]

It's not about short term thinking, about trophies or specific matches. You certainly don't sign a world class player every summer. Only when the player is needed and right for the club. They have to be a good fit and to have the right character. Somebody for younger players to learn from and for the fans to get behind.








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I disagree and am also a little confused. Signing players to go into the first team, especially ones at the top of their game is nearly always short term thinking, by definition. The part I am confused about is whether you think that we should have signed a world class player or not this summer.

 

[tommysvr]

I think we'd all love a world class player. But most of us live with the reality that it's unlikely and that we have to develop a player and the team.

 

[Andyandy]

I disagree and am also a little confused. Signing players to go into the first team, especially ones at the top of their game is nearly always short term thinking, by definition. The part I am confused about is whether you think that we should have signed a world class player or not this summer.

I am saying that we need to maintain one world class player in our squad at all times. Since we sold bale we haven't had one and before bale you could argue we haven't had one since klindsman.

These two individuals were so good on and off the field for the fans, players and the club. Furthermore these players raised the profile of the club well above that expected for the so called 6th best team in England.

I accept that players like this are expensive but as discussed above I am in no doubt that we can rebalance the budget and wage structures in order to keep the club finances sustainable.

Since 2004, we have seen 60-80 players move through our squads. Some successful players have been identified, however the net result is always a bloated squad.

Currently our squad remains pointlessly bloated with lots of mediocre players whom we signed for 5-15m (on current prices) whom have proved over 10 years now are no better than players that have come through our youth system. Ultimately it's these signings who a) cumulatively have massive wages, b) cumulatively cost as much as multiple world class players, c) only play in the Europa league so don't really impact on the PL and finally d) block the path of youth to the first team.








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[milo]

I am saying that we need to maintain one world class player in our squad at all times. Since we sold bale we haven't had one and before bale you could argue we haven't had one since klindsman.

These two individuals were so good on and off the field for the fans, players and the club. Furthermore these players raised the profile of the club well above that expected for the so called 6th best team in England.

I accept that players like this are expensive but as discussed above I am in no doubt that we can rebalance the budget and wage structures in order to keep the club finances sustainable.

Since 2004, we have seen 60-80 players move through our squads. Some successful players have been identified, however the net result is always a bloated squad.

Currently our squad remains pointlessly bloated with lots of mediocre players whom we signed for 5-15m (on current prices) whom have proved over 10 years now are no better than players that have come through our youth system. Ultimately it's these signings who a) cumulatively have massive wages, b) cumulatively cost as much as multiple world class players, c) only play in the Europa league so don't really impact on the PL and finally d) block the path of youth to the first team.








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So I assume that as we did not sign a world class player last summer, you think that we should have done this summer. Assuming that we do not change the money that we are investing into the first team, our sales from this summer raised about the same as Ozil went for last summer. Do you think that our squad would be stronger if we had signed a player of that ilk instead of the six we did sign?

 

[Jordinho]

Bale is not really a good example as he was a teenager and an exciting prospect. We also signed him under the noses of arsenal and man utd. He was signed for the future rather than to plug a gap in the the Europa team.


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He's a perfect example of what we try to do. Young, promising, but not shown quite enough to have the big boys drooling. Once they get interested we don't stand a chance, just look at Luke Shaw.

 

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Musacchio explains Spurs snubfrom football365:

Mateo Musacchio claims to have turned down a move to Tottenham Hotspur as the terms on offer were unacceptable to him and Villarreal. The Argentine centre-half was reported to be a target for Mauricio Pochettino as he stepped up his pursuit of defensive reinforcements. An offer was put forward, with Musacchio prepared to listen to what Spurs had to say. He was, however, quick to knock the Premier League side back, with Villarreal also reluctant to enter into discussions. Having failed to make progress, Tottenham instead turned their attention to Sevilla’s Federico Fazio. “When you get offers they have to be good for the club and for the player. In this case it wasn’t good enough for either", Musacchio said.

 

[milo]

It reads to me like he's trying to curry favour with the Villarreal fans

 

[SteveAWOL]

Of all the 20 teams listed above, Tottenham and Hamburger are the only teams without any domestic league, FA Cup or European trophy in the 21st century. What is the point of being among the rich clubs when you don't win trophies ? Just can't see us winning any of those as long as Levy is the chairman.

The problem Levy faces is that 5 of the 12 wealthiest clubs in Europe are based in England.

How many trophies have the 6th richest clubs in Spain, Germany or Italy won this century?

 

[metalgear]

The problem Levy faces is that 5 of the 12 wealthiest clubs in Europe are based in England.

How many trophies have the 6th richest clubs in Spain, Germany or Italy won this century?

good perspective shift there. that's why the stadium is important to give us a step shift in revenue. champions league participation too for the extra income boost.

 

[Andyandy]

He's a perfect example of what we try to do. Young, promising, but not shown quite enough to have the big boys drooling. Once they get interested we don't stand a chance, just look at Luke Shaw.

Good example but it's not happened consistently enough even to base our whole future on.


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[milo]

Good example but it's not happened consistently enough even to base our whole future on.


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We've got the highest income from sales of any club in Europe over the last five years. It seems to be working OK to me.

 

[Andyandy]

We've got the highest income from sales of any club in Europe over the last five years. It seems to be working OK to me.

There are two very serious shortcomings with your analysis.

1. The significant majority of that income came from two sales, Modric and Bale. As discussed above these have been the only examples of success rather than the norm.

2. I am not sure how you saw these signings at the time but out of every signing we have made since 2004, these two were some of the most promising, i.e. certainly in my top 5. They were at the front of the distribution when they signed on potential and price and they stayed there. There were 30-40 players closer to the mean who were cheaper had less to no potential and more closely represent this summer's signings. A more typical set of examples for the policy would be Holtby, sandro, dos Santos, edman, pav, or mido.

You would do better to perform the analysis again without bale and modric included as they were clearly atypical and not representative of the rest.




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