ENIC

[Gutter Boy]

My gripe is that our budget never stretches to just one world class player. A single £50m very high salary earner who we can build the team and whole club marketing around. In ENIC's system we must develop them and then sell them on the next summer.

I've heard it said that senior players often have it in their contracts that their salary will automatically match the club's highest earner.

So if we do start paying anyone above the current Bale/Ade £100k limit, we could end up having to pay it to 3-5 other players too.

 

[Armchair Expert]

I largely agree with this.

The stats on net transfer spends, profiteering from transfers, buying only young players with potential say it all really, why can't we stop spinning and be direct with the fans.

My gripe is that our budget never stretches to just one world class player. A single £50m very high salary earner who we can build the team and whole club marketing around. In ENIC's system we must develop them and then sell them on the next summer.





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Is that genuine? I can't afford to buy Mercedes and a three bedroom flat in Schwabing. So I don't

 

[Robspur12]

I don't think he has either and thihis perception lies in the media. Its simply a stick that weak journalism creates for other fans to bash us with on forums.

I'Ve been happy with just about all Levy's appointments. They all made sense to me at the time, as well as it making sense when all of their contracts were eventually terminated. The handling of the Jol sacking wasn't the best but apart from that I see no problems in either our conduct or managerial appointments.

When ENIC took over we were trash. Top 10 was considered hugely successful. Now we've been transformed into about the 6th best team in the league and have been sustaining our position as best of the rest for a good 8 seasons or so now. We also have about the 6th biggest turnover. I don't understand what people want - with income 100's of millions shy of Emirates Marketing Project, Uts, Arsenal, Pool etc we should be regular champions league fixtures? We broke into the top four for a while because some young players (in the mould of those we have now) turned into genuine world class talent - hence some are now champions league winners with Real Madrid.

How people can say we should have signed Schneiderlin is beyond me. If Southampton won't sell him, they won't sell him. If we haven't got 65 million to spend on an individual player then man up and get on with it. Poch's interviews have said so far he sits down with Levy and Baldini and goes through targets. Doesn't suggest to me that the carpet has been pulled out from under his feet.

Unfortunately when you operate within your means and the govewrnment doesn't hand you a stadium, you have to pay for it. The training ground isn't an illusion and did cost money.
I find it quite incredible what people want: massively overspend on players, who belong to a club whose chairman has publicly stated aren't for sale, get top four despite having a budget miles smaller than those currently occupying the places, and every time a sexy name gets mentioned as a transfer target in the press massively overpay to secure his services.

I'M sorry, but people now using the stadium and portraying it in a negative light just as tool for Levy to maximise profit when his evil master plan is completed and he sells the club it just looks like spoilt children screaming in a toy shop because mummy won't by them the expensive car off the top shelf: some fans want to watch Spurs play and currently can't get ticket or afford the ST prices. Honestly, the stadium is now just part of a dastardly plan? Do me a favor! People also ranting about signing Strambouli when they've never even seen him play. Whats going on round here???? Jesus H. Christ!!!???

great post. The only inexplicable decision managerially that Levy made imo was appointing AVB especially on the back of his Chelsea fiasco.

 

[ledley's knee injections]

Great post by Armchair expert.

Spot on with Strambouli as well. Had my facebook feed full of Spurs fans moaning on and on about this without (almost guaranteed) never seeing him play and therefore being in zero position to make a proper judgment. I sense it's because we sold a crowd-favourite and big name (Sandro) and replaced him with an 'unknown' and 'not big name'.

Here's a novel thought that these people need to consider- maybe Strambouli is a better fit for the manager's system than the Beast was and therefore will ultimately contribute better to the type of cohesive, effective football we are all DYING for Spurs to play!?

It all comes down to whether as individuals and collectively Spurs fans have a sense of realistic perspective about where we are as a team and club (you very neatly and accurately pinpoint exactly where this is). But a lot, I fear, don't have this, and apply their unrealistic expectations to the situation... and obviouisly come away unhappy with whatever we do.

Hopefully by the end of this season they will be eating their words/pretending they never said those words. While I hate people like this (tune-changers), I'll be happy as it will be the result of having the Spurs we all want (I don't ask for much, just a team which plays good attacking football, is competive in every match and doesn't roll over at will, and gives the top teams a good match).

COYS

 

[Notmegov]

Top post armchair top post.

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[metalgear]

How do you think the club sees the fans. I don't think we're anything more than customers.

The concept of fans being part of the club, and feeling betrayed etc... Isn't this all a self inflicted delusion in the sense that the club doesn't care what we think so long as ticket and merchandise sales are up?



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[SpursNorway]

I don't think he has either and this perception lies in the media. Its simply a stick that weak journalism creates for other fans to bash us with on forums.

I'Ve been happy with just about all Levy's appointments. They all made sense to me at the time, as well as it making sense when all of their contracts were eventually terminated. The handling of the Jol sacking wasn't the best but apart from that I see no problems in either our conduct or managerial appointments.

When ENIC took over we were trash. Top 10 was considered hugely successful. Now we've been transformed into about the 6th best team in the league and have been sustaining our position as best of the rest for a good 8 seasons or so now. We also have about the 6th biggest turnover. I don't understand what people want - with income 100's of millions shy of Emirates Marketing Project, Uts, Arsenal, Pool etc we should be regular champions league fixtures? We broke into the top four for a while because some young players (in the mould of those we have now) turned into genuine world class talent - hence some are now champions league winners with Real Madrid.

How people can say we should have signed Schneiderlin is beyond me. If Southampton won't sell him, they won't sell him. If we haven't got 65 million to spend on an individual player then man up and get on with it. Poch's interviews have said so far he sits down with Levy and Baldini and goes through targets. Doesn't suggest to me that the carpet has been pulled out from under his feet.

Unfortunately when you operate within your means and the govewrnment doesn't hand you a stadium, you have to pay for it. The training ground isn't an illusion and did cost money.
I find it quite incredible what people want: massively overspend on players, who belong to a club whose chairman has publicly stated aren't for sale, get top four despite having a budget miles smaller than those currently occupying the places, and every time a sexy name gets mentioned as a transfer target in the press massively overpay to secure his services.

I'M sorry, but people now using the stadium and portraying it in a negative light just as tool for Levy to maximise profit when his evil master plan is completed and he sells the club it just looks like spoilt children screaming in a toy shop because mummy won't by them the expensive car off the top shelf: some fans want to watch Spurs play and currently can't get ticket or afford the ST prices. Honestly, the stadium is now just part of a dastardly plan? Do me a favor! People also ranting about signing Strambouli when they've never even seen him play. Whats going on round here???? Jesus H. Christ!!!???

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I'm totally with you on this one, AE, my thoughts excactly about the situation. I havent been on this forum for a very long time, but back home in Norway we've got a lot of younger fans becoming vocal because of our recent relative success. Now they're moaning... My thought is that they've never felt what is what like been through the 90's and probably not the start of the 00' either. To see the work Levy have done for us... Ok, he havent done everything right over the years, but comparing us to the shambles in the 90's, he deserves a lot more credit than he get from a lot of people.

 

[Superhudd]

I don't think he has either and this perception lies in the media. Its simply a stick that weak journalism creates for other fans to bash us with on forums.

I'Ve been happy with just about all Levy's appointments. They all made sense to me at the time, as well as it making sense when all of their contracts were eventually terminated. The handling of the Jol sacking wasn't the best but apart from that I see no problems in either our conduct or managerial appointments.

When ENIC took over we were trash. Top 10 was considered hugely successful. Now we've been transformed into about the 6th best team in the league and have been sustaining our position as best of the rest for a good 8 seasons or so now. We also have about the 6th biggest turnover. I don't understand what people want - with income 100's of millions shy of Emirates Marketing Project, Uts, Arsenal, Pool etc we should be regular champions league fixtures? We broke into the top four for a while because some young players (in the mould of those we have now) turned into genuine world class talent - hence some are now champions league winners with Real Madrid.

How people can say we should have signed Schneiderlin is beyond me. If Southampton won't sell him, they won't sell him. If we haven't got 65 million to spend on an individual player then man up and get on with it. Poch's interviews have said so far he sits down with Levy and Baldini and goes through targets. Doesn't suggest to me that the carpet has been pulled out from under his feet.

Unfortunately when you operate within your means and the govewrnment doesn't hand you a stadium, you have to pay for it. The training ground isn't an illusion and did cost money.
I find it quite incredible what people want: massively overspend on players, who belong to a club whose chairman has publicly stated aren't for sale, get top four despite having a budget miles smaller than those currently occupying the places, and every time a sexy name gets mentioned as a transfer target in the press massively overpay to secure his services.

I'M sorry, but people now using the stadium and portraying it in a negative light just as tool for Levy to maximise profit when his evil master plan is completed and he sells the club it just looks like spoilt children screaming in a toy shop because mummy won't by them the expensive car off the top shelf: some fans want to watch Spurs play and currently can't get ticket or afford the ST prices. Honestly, the stadium is now just part of a dastardly plan? Do me a favor! People also ranting about signing Strambouli when they've never even seen him play. Whats going on round here???? Jesus H. Christ!!!???

I have always used it. Lewis is that kind of businessman, I suggest you do a little research on the man and what he is all about.. and as for the car from the top shelf, I had to make do with making cars out of wood, I was allergic to the paint on dinky cars. Can't remember of the top of my head cars on top shelf's though... can't remember toy shops with shelves either, used to get everything from Argos from what I remember.. also.. you honestly think season ticket and single game prices will come down. As I said about the Dartford Tunnel.. it ain't gonna happen. Arsenal's prices went up btw.

 

[Andyandy]

Is that genuine? I can't afford to buy Mercedes and a three bedroom flat in Schwabing. So I don't

It's a question of priorities, I understand that certain contacts are in place but these can be changed over time.

Taking your metaphor on board, you may not be able to have both the Mercedes and the flat but you might be able to afford one of them. The smart decision might be to go for the flat (& get a bike) as it is an asset and is unlikely to depreciate in value. On the other hand, the Mercedes might make you feel good and you can always sleep in it.

Spurs can afford 5 Carlos-kick-all-balls at 10m each who end up playing Europa league or a single world class player. Which option would you take?


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[Spursalot]

It's a question of priorities, I understand that certain contacts are in place but these can be changed over time.

Taking your metaphor on board, you may not be able to have both the Mercedes and the flat but you might be able to afford one of them. The smart decision might be to go for the flat (& get a bike) as it is an asset and is unlikely to depreciate in value. On the other hand, the Mercedes might make you feel good and you can always sleep in it.

Spurs can afford 5 Carlos-kick-all-balls at 10m each who end up playing Europa league or a single world class player. Which option would you take?


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If those five Carlos kick a balls have the potential to become world class players, then yes it is an obvious choice.

I'd choose the five players.


To clarify, even if two of those five player had the potential to be world class, I'd still go with the five players.

 

[Superhudd]

I don't know why people bother asking questions like that, what they gonna cut there nose of to spite there face all of a sudden. :lol:

 

[Andyandy]

If those five Carlos kick a balls have the potential to become world class players, then yes it is an obvious choice.

I'd choose the five players.


To clarify, even if two of those five player had the potential to be world class, I'd still go with the five players.

Its moot point because we don't sign potential world class players at 10m. We sign reserve team or Europa cup players.


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[Spursalot]

Its moot point because we don't sign potential world class players at 10m. We sign reserve team or Europa cup players.


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And the question is moot because world class players who are worth £50m are well out of our league.

 

[Andyandy]

And the question is moot because world class players who are worth £50m are well out of our league.

Why? Out of our league how? Pay the money get the player, utd just spent 145m w/o champions league football.


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[Spursalot]

Why? Out of our league how? Pay the money get the player, utd just spent 145m w/o champions league football.


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United have a far greater profile than us and a far greater pull. Players want to win trophies, united have a history of doing just that, plus they have the money to throw at it.


Added to the fact that it wouldn't just be 50m, they'll have wages of over 200k, so that's another 10m a year for the length of the contract. Add to that the wage disparity that would emerge, with the rest of our players also demanding to be on higher wages.


In the history of world football, there have likely been less than 10 £50m transfers. And you think the sixth best side in England is good enough to pull one off?

 

[SteveAWOL]

Why? Out of our league how? Pay the money get the player, utd just spent 145m w/o champions league football.


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You cannot be serious surely?!

Even without Champions League football ManU absolutely crush us financially to the tune of about £200m per year, which allows them to pay their squad double what Spurs could hope to afford without falling foul of FFP.

Not forgetting, as Spursalot mentions, most world class players would choose to join a club with a recent history of winning every trophy going to a club which hasn't challenged for major honours in their lifetime.

 

[Spurs7891]

You cannot be serious surely?!

Even without Champions League football ManU absolutely crush us financially to the tune of about £200m per year, which allows them to pay their squad double what Spurs could hope to afford without falling foul of FFP.

Not forgetting, as Spursalot mentions, most world class players would choose to join a club with a recent history of winning every trophy going to a club which hasn't challenged for major honours in their lifetime.

Of all the 20 teams listed above, Tottenham and Hamburger are the only teams without any domestic league, FA Cup or European trophy in the 21st century. What is the point of being among the rich clubs when you don't win trophies ? Just can't see us winning any of those as long as Levy is the chairman.

 

[Superhudd]

LOL at City and PSGs Commercial :ross:

 

[scaramanga]

Its moot point because we don't sign potential world class players at 10m. We sign reserve team or Europa cup players.


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We signed Bale for a lot less than £10M.

 

[Andyandy]

You cannot be serious surely?!

Even without Champions League football ManU absolutely crush us financially to the tune of about £200m per year, which allows them to pay their squad double what Spurs could hope to afford without falling foul of FFP.

Not forgetting, as Spursalot mentions, most world class players would choose to join a club with a recent history of winning every trophy going to a club which hasn't challenged for major honours in their lifetime.

Thanks for the data. However all these data do is illustrate my point.

We are in the football elite, a few places above the winners of the Spanish league and champions league finalists.

Obviously we aren't Real Madrid so we would need to do it within our budget. I am just saying let's rethink the distribution of this budget toward first team rather than reserve and Europa cup players costing 5-10m each.

It is a total misrepresentation of reality to say that world class players ONLY move for champions league football or to win trophies. This is what they say in the press conference along with "I've supported [insert club name here] since I was a boy".

Players move for lots of reasons, first team football, wanting to play in England, live in London for example, as well as money. Redknapp often talked about this issue money dominates for most.


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