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Would be interesting to see how many blood clots occurred in 10million people who have received no vaccine at all so far as well, to see what the “normal” case rate is.
From the link I posted in the last page.

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...-oxford-vaccine-blood-clots-data-causal-links

Deep vein thromboses (DVTs) happen to around one person per 1,000 each year, and probably more in the older population being vaccinated. Working on the basis of these figures, out of 5 million people getting vaccinated, we would expect significantly more than 5,000 DVTs a year, or at least 100 every week. So it is not at all surprising that there have been 30 reports.

It would be so much easier if we had a group of people exactly like those being vaccinated but who didn’t get jabbed. This would tell us how many serious events we could expect to happen to people that were the result of sheer bad luck. Fortunately, we do have such a group. In the trials that led to the vaccines being approved in the UK, volunteers were randomly allocated to receive either the active vaccine or a control injection (some of which were a vaccine for meningitis). Everyone then reported any harms they experienced, but crucially nobody knew if they had received the real stuff. By comparing the numbers of reports from the two groups, we can see how many “reactions” were really owing to the active ingredients, and how many were linked to the vaccination process, or would have happened anyway.

Some kind of adverse events were reported by 38% of those receiving the real vaccine but, rather remarkably, 28% of those who received the control also reported a side-effect. This shows that the Covid vaccine itself only causes about a third of the reported side-effects. Of more than 24,000 participants, fewer than 1% reported a serious adverse event, and of these 168 people, slightly more had received the dummy than the active vaccine. So there was no evidence of increased risk from taking the AstraZeneca vaccine. The Pfizer trials had similar results, with more mild or moderate adverse events in the vaccine group but almost identical numbers of serious events.
 
People in UK with antibodies doubles in a month

The number of people in the UK with Covid antibodies has nearly doubled in the month from 3 February to 3 March.

About one in three people (33%) in the UK are estimated by the Office for National Statistics to have antibodies to coronavirus – evidence of recent immunisation or an infection.

A month ago, the figure was about 18%.

This figure is lower in Scotland where it is slightly fewer than one in four people, but close to one in three in each of England, Wales and Northern Ireland.

Meanwhile, the percentage of people testing positive for antibodies was higher for those aged 70 years and over in England, Wales and Scotland
 
Would be interesting to see how many blood clots occurred in 10million people who have received no vaccine at all so far as well, to see what the “normal” case rate is.
Those taking the AZ vaccine have a lower rate of blood clots than the normal population, according to AZ statements. Even assuming that they are trying to protect their product and profits, if that fact is even close to true, then suspending rollout of this vaccine is an extreme kneejerk response and obviously the wrong one. There could be something in the data we don't know about that is causing more concern to medical professionals but on the face of it they should reverse course on this decision today

Ros Atkins summarises it well here
 
The Covid vaccine market is the biggest thing to happen to Big Pharma probably ever. It is worth billions upon billions to pharmaceuticals. The AZ vaccine was made by Oxford uni with a £65m grant from taxpayers. AZ just manufacturer it. And so they signed up to do it at cost price during the pandemic and in perpetuity for low-income countries.

Conspiracy theorists....if you were part of Big Pharma, say a CEO who could get a £500m windfall from massive sales of Covid vaccine, might you want to rubbish the reputation of the one vaccine that is being sold at cost price?
 
Worrying but predictable slow down in infection rates. On the vaccine, front sounds like they might hit 5m this week with a huge shipment arrived from India.

All ready a 3rd of the way through the adult population!

I will get absolutely spangled in a field dressed as a lady this year!
 
Worrying but predictable slow down in infection rates. On the vaccine, front sounds like they might hit 5m this week with a huge shipment arrived from India.

All ready a 3rd of the way through the adult population!

I will get absolutely spangled in a field dressed as a lady this year!

The arrest in the decline in number of new infections might be down to a rise in false positives from the increase in testing.... One person in a thousand from the lateral flow testing
 
Pfizer have reported 25 cases of bloodclotting in ~11 million vaccinations while Astrazeneca have reported 28 cases in ~10 million.

DOesn't seem much case for treating one different to the other from those bald figures
I agree. But I am not a vaccine scientist.
 
These are decisions by National governments not the EU. Several EU countries are still administering the AZ vaccine and the EU medicines agency says the benefits outweigh the risks.
Indeed. Some non EU countries have stopped administering it too. A mistake in my opinion, but it's a decision made by each sovereign state independently.
 
Quite surprising as Spain has stopped AZ and is still administering the over 80s as i read last week. don't expect that decrease to last long given the waves elsewhere unless they're stringently locked down?

Was looking at holidays for June, was considering Spain but given the slow vaccine rollout, am thinking may have to be Dubai.
Fly to Biarritz, take a train over the border. Enjoy. Train to Biarritz, fly home.
 
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