Ange in or out?

[Baleforce]

That’s 8 times more than I would guess and I’ve been there home and away loads
So we beat them 8 times and how many did they beat us?
They believe they are rbeating us every time they play us
Our record vs them is worst than against any side

yes it is, today was another example of us bricking the bed against them and not doing the things that other teams have shown to cause them problems

 

[Bedfordspurs]

yes it is, today was another example of us bricking the bed against them and not doing the things that other teams have shown to cause them problems

Other teams haven’t scored 3 goals against them have they?

 

[Baleforce]

Other teams haven’t scored 3 goals against them have they?

other teams have stopped them scoring 6

we played right into their hands today

 

[Bedfordspurs]

other teams have stopped them scoring 6

we played right into their hands today

Have other teams played them with one frost choice defender who is absolutely fudged ?
You want negative foorball
You ain’t getting it
I do find it odd that some of the fans who want negative football have the best attacking players in their names
Your name should really be HojbergForce

 

[Baleforce]

Have other teams played them with one frost choice defender who is absolutely fudged ?
You want negative foorball
You ain’t getting it
I do find it odd that some of the fans who want negative football have the best attacking players in their names
Your name should really be HojbergForce

he was a defender

we miss PEH badly

I want pragmatic football, I want to see a mind at work in stopping the opposition

 

[DeanoAustin]

I’m still Ange in. Completely.

It’s about expectations for me. I don’t expect us to win the league. The best we can possibly do as a club is challenge top 4. Is that a great achievement? Is it worth potentially sacrificing attractive football? I’m not sure it is. If you want top 4 consistently, if you believe we can challenge for the league, you’re right to want Ange out. He will not deliver it. It was always fanciful to think that a guy with Ange’s background could do what Conte and Jose failed to do. He won’t. You see that over the last year. We’re too inconsistent.

The reason I want him in is I’m weary of top 4 being some sort of holy grail.

Ange could win a cup. I have serious doubts because I think we’ll crack at crucial moments with how we play…but we can blow any team away on our day. If the stars align, we could win a pot. And that’s kinda what I grew up with from Tottenham and that’s what I was told that Tottenham were as a club when I was a kid.

The way we play is bonkers. Gloriously bonkers. It’s actually even more extreme than Ossie in the 90s. To anyone other than those Spurs fans with expectations of winning the title or challenging top 4, it’s pure entertainment.

I fell in love with Spurs not for league titles or winning the banter war on a Monday. If I wanted that, I’d have supported The Dippers. Spurs to me meant a big club, a good side who played the game a certain way. We’re doing that right now.

Too much in football at the minute is “if you’re not winning, you’re a loser”. Polarised opinions, black and white arguments where everything someone doesn’t do was the right thing. I don’t see Ange as a loser. He won’t win us a league, he may not even last much longer if things don’t pick up but he embodies everything that made me fall in love with the game and the club as a kid. Maybe that’s dumb. Maybe it’s naive. But I love him for having the balls to do it. For me, right now, that’s good enough.

 

[Jurgen the German]

They and slowed down when Maddison scored?
We actually had a. Very good defensive record before today by the way
Out issue was losing certain games by a single goal. Today was the first time we have lost by more than one goal this season

Did you not see the stats I posted before? 20th since December in;

Goals conceded
Shots faced againsf
Shots faced on target
XG goals against
Big chances faced

 

[Bedfordspurs]

he was a defender

we miss PEH badly

I want pragmatic football, I want to see a mind at work in stopping the opposition

He was a player that suited certain situations
He was brilliant at closing out games
He was bad at starting them where we need guile and technical ability
We have seen this year that we can change things when we start Bentacur and bring on Bissouma in some scenarios. I’m sure gray can do that too when he isn’t okaying everywhere else

 

[Bedfordspurs]

I’m still Ange in. Completely.

It’s about expectations for me. I don’t expect us to win the league. The best we can possibly do as a club is challenge top 4. Is that a great achievement? Is it worth potentially sacrificing attractive football? I’m not sure it is. If you want top 4 consistently, if you believe we can challenge for the league, you’re right to want Ange out. He will not deliver it. It was always fanciful to think that a guy with Ange’s background could do what Conte and Jose failed to do. He won’t. You see that over the last year. We’re too inconsistent.

The reason I want him in is I’m weary of top 4 being some sort of holy grail.

Ange could win a cup. I have serious doubts because I think we’ll crack at crucial moments with how we play…but we can blow any team away on our day. If the stars align, we could win a pot. And that’s kinda what I grew up with from Tottenham and that’s what I was told that Tottenham were as a club when I was a kid.

The way we play is bonkers. Gloriously bonkers. It’s actually even more extreme than Ossie in the 90s. To anyone other than those Spurs fans with expectations of winning the title or challenging top 4, it’s pure entertainment.

I fell in love with Spurs not for league titles or winning the banter war on a Monday. If I wanted that, I’d have supported The Dippers. Spurs to me meant a big club, a good side who played the game a certain way. We’re doing that right now.

Too much in football at the minute is “if you’re not winning, you’re a loser”. Polarised opinions, black and white arguments where everything someone doesn’t do was the right thing. I don’t see Ange as a loser. He won’t win us a league, he may not even last much longer if things don’t pick up but he embodies everything that made me fall in love with the game and the club as a kid. Maybe that’s dumb. Maybe it’s naive. But I love him for having the balls to do it. For me, right now, that’s good enough.

It’s why it’s binary
It’s flipping from game to game
We won midweek and we got the penetration yet we’re through
That’s odd but it’s because our keeper made mistakes okaying the way he was asked
Did slot today be,Ian his team playing out at the back and conceding like they did… no they carry on
And we ain’t gonna be consistent until the rebuild is done
That’s means replacing ALL the players we shipped out in the summer with players who can play Ange ball (16 players out IIRC in one way shape or form) and 4 in plus Yang to join
It’s why I think he is focussing on the cups as his option which is spurs as you say

 

[DeanoAustin]

Did you not see the stats I posted before? 20th since December in;

Goals conceded
Shots faced againsf
Shots faced on target
XG goals against
Big chances faced

There’s a method I use to decide if a stat has worth or if it’s used to create a narrative. Have you ever heard the stat quoted before? I’ve never seen that stat quoted in my 40 years watching football.

I said this last year when people were saying that after 10 games we’d a better record than Arsenal’s invincibles.

Those sort of stats mean very little especially when you put the context around them regarding absentees and suspensions. That’s not to say that we aren’t very open either because we undoubtedly are.

 

[Jurgen the German]

There’s a method I use to decide if a stat has worth or if it’s used to create a narrative. Have you ever heard the stat quoted before? I’ve never seen that stat quoted in my 40 years watching football.

I said this last year when people were saying that after 10 games we’d a better record than Arsenal’s invincibles.

Those sort of stats mean very little especially when you put the context around them regarding absentees and suspensions. That’s not to say that we aren’t very open either because we undoubtedly are.

You can play well and still concede goals. But the second, third and fifth are the most concerning. It’s not a fluke when we have faced more shots than any other team. You can say that’s people not doing their jobs, but it’s also far more likely to be how we setup but some refuse to see it. Some of the comments here tonight are bordering on deluded. Constantly highlighting the fact that Liverpool had rotated players in midweek, saying the fans are toxic and aren’t behind the manager. To me, it comes across that people are in denial.

 

[Daisuk]

I’m still Ange in. Completely.

It’s about expectations for me. I don’t expect us to win the league. The best we can possibly do as a club is challenge top 4. Is that a great achievement? Is it worth potentially sacrificing attractive football? I’m not sure it is. If you want top 4 consistently, if you believe we can challenge for the league, you’re right to want Ange out. He will not deliver it. It was always fanciful to think that a guy with Ange’s background could do what Conte and Jose failed to do. He won’t. You see that over the last year. We’re too inconsistent.

The reason I want him in is I’m weary of top 4 being some sort of holy grail.

Ange could win a cup. I have serious doubts because I think we’ll crack at crucial moments with how we play…but we can blow any team away on our day. If the stars align, we could win a pot. And that’s kinda what I grew up with from Tottenham and that’s what I was told that Tottenham were as a club when I was a kid.

The way we play is bonkers. Gloriously bonkers. It’s actually even more extreme than Ossie in the 90s. To anyone other than those Spurs fans with expectations of winning the title or challenging top 4, it’s pure entertainment.

I fell in love with Spurs not for league titles or winning the banter war on a Monday. If I wanted that, I’d have supported The Dippers. Spurs to me meant a big club, a good side who played the game a certain way. We’re doing that right now.

Too much in football at the minute is “if you’re not winning, you’re a loser”. Polarised opinions, black and white arguments where everything someone doesn’t do was the right thing. I don’t see Ange as a loser. He won’t win us a league, he may not even last much longer if things don’t pick up but he embodies everything that made me fall in love with the game and the club as a kid. Maybe that’s dumb. Maybe it’s naive. But I love him for having the balls to do it. For me, right now, that’s good enough.

I actually agree with most of this - yet, we're the 7th richest club in the world (or thereabout) with arguably the best stadium in the world. If we're not competing to be the very best - we should be. There's no excuse for not aiming to win the league, or the Champions League for that matter. What's the point if you don't, when we're clearly set up for it? Having said that, things take time - it's just that we've been in a constant painful rebuild ever since Poch left. I know I sound entitled saying this, I'm not demanding we win the league every year, but we should damn well aim to do so, in my opinion.

"It's better to fail aiming high than to succeed aiming low. At Spurs we set our sights very high, so that even failure will have in it an echo of glory.”

 

[DeanoAustin]

You can play well and still concede goals. But the second, third and fifth are the most concerning. It’s not a fluke when we have faced more shots than any other team. You can say that’s people not doing their jobs, but it’s also far more likely to be how we setup but some refuse to see it. Some of the comments here tonight are bordering on deluded. Constantly highlighting the fact that Liverpool had rotated players in midweek, saying the fans are toxic and aren’t behind the manager. To me, it comes across that people are in denial.

I don’t disagree with you funnily enough. Watched back some of the goals on MOTD and how we defend is kamikaze which I’ve said from pretty much the day Ange walked into the club. But those stats are making it seem like we’re the worst team defensively in the league. The three months before don’t support that and in December we’ve been playing without our keeper, 3 CBs and our left back which is skewing the numbers. The only first choice defender we have is the lad who can’t defend.

By the way, majority of people in the ground today stayed behind the team which was good to see.

 

[Lilbaz]

The chairman sacked the person who delivered that. We’re now laying the bed we made.

Rightly so. That's the only time i thought we looked bad enough to be relegated. Players saying in the media that it was jols team that won the cup.

 

[DeanoAustin]

I actually agree with most of this - yet, we're the 7th richest club in the world (or thereabout) with arguably the best stadium in the world. If we're not competing to be the very best - we should be. There's no excuse for not aiming to win the league, or the Champions League for that matter. What's the point if you don't, when we're clearly set up for it?

"It's better to fail aiming high than to succeed aiming low. At Spurs we set our sights very high, so that even failure will have in it an echo of glory.”

I think the ENIC model, which to be fair has taken us from perennial mid table to the upper end of the league is the major barrier to us pushing on rather than the man in the dugout.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

I don’t disagree with you funnily enough. Watched back some of the goals on MOTD and how we defend is kamikaze which I’ve said from pretty much the day Ange walked into the club. But those stats are making it seem like we’re the worst team defensively in the league. The three months before don’t support that and in December we’ve been playing without our keeper, 3 CBs and our left back which is skewing the numbers. The only first choice defender we have is the lad who can’t defend.

By the way, majority of people in the ground today stayed behind the team which was good to see.

The fans today were brilliant
Sang louder than they do when we have been winning
That’s almost a testament to the tolerance we don’t see online

 

[Bedfordspurs]

I think the ENIC model, which to be fair has taken us from perennial mid table to the upper end of the league is the major barrier to us pushing on rather than the man in the dugout.

I get that
But Enic are now spending and have done so for the last 2/3 seasons
The issue is it’s catch up and a rebuild
So it takes time to do just that
Potentially this summer there will be legacy players from Poch era and none from Jose’s
That’s a big change

 

[Daisuk]

I think the ENIC model, which to be fair has taken us from perennial mid table to the upper end of the league is the major barrier to us pushing on rather than the man in the dugout.

That may be so. We will see. I'm still hopeful we will see a benefit in the players we're able to bring in once the money we earn from the stadium starts trickling in. If it doesn't, then I agree, and Enic can fudge off.

 

[billyiddo]

I get that
But Enic are now spending and have done so for the last 2/3 seasons
The issue is it’s catch up and a rebuild
So it takes time to do just that
Potentially this summer there will be legacy players from Poch era and none from Jose’s
That’s a big change

I think everyone from the Jose period is gone already with only Davies & Son from Pochettino era remaining

 

[Bedfordspurs]

I think everyone from the Jose period is gone already with only Davies & Son from Pochettino era remaining

Reggie says high … yep the forgotten man who was in the bench today
That’s how weak the squad is right now
We have a guy in the bench who we would happily release in a free in jan if others are fit
That’s a huge chunk of work though