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Ange in or out?

Ange in or out?

  • In

    Votes: 84 76.4%
  • Out

    Votes: 26 23.6%

  • Total voters
    110
So many lines that ring true to me, one paragraph in particular:

‘How have Tottenham been so unlucky as to end up with so many international footballers who seem to make terrible decisions at key moments? Are they just bad players, incapable of reading a situation? Or have they been slowly stewed in a culture…Where the acid test of your quality is not what you did, or what actually happened, but how loyally you stuck to the ideology?’

Haha what nonsense. International players like Gray (under 21) playing CB for maybe the 4th time in his career. Dragusin 22 a 3rd choice CB. Spence just settling into PL football making his 2nd start. Forster with 6 caps from over a decade ago - 2013 was his first cap. Sarr just settling into PL football, he wasn’t a regular PL starter prior to Postecoglou.

So wtf rings true here? That it’s analysis based on fiction? Half of the team are squad players who haven’t had the rotation pool got. I’m shocked people lap this zhit up.
 
Did you not see the stats I posted before? 20th since December in;

Goals conceded
Shots faced againsf
Shots faced on target
XG goals against
Big chances faced

Yes because of this game and other high scoring games this month. It means nothing in Isolation. You need context. We won our previous two games and have our first choice defence out.
 
Look at the wages to revenue %. Ours is always the lowest. The only time we paid higher than Woolwich, in absolute terms, was when we got CL and they didn’t and our revenue was well ahead of theirs. Percentage wise, we still paid less than them.

It’s a deliberate strategy by Levy. By all accounts he tries to make as much as possible bonus related which makes sure we don’t pay huge amounts in years where we don’t get CL or Europe. It’s a brilliant business strategy, it makes us attractive to prospective investors but it won’t win you football competitions.

I think stability is more vital. And that is what sets pool apart from us. We were close to signing Diaz, and they took him in the same package of wages. But he didn’t hit the ground running. It’s taken a couple of seasons for him to ignite. And the biggest difference is pool stuck with their manager and let him build. So when Slot came in he was building on a settled side Klopp had developed over time.
 
I think stability is more vital. And that is what sets pool apart from us. We were close to signing Diaz, and they took him in the same package of wages. But he didn’t hit the ground running. It’s taken a couple of seasons for him to ignite. And the biggest difference is pool stuck with their manager and let him build. So when Slot came in he was building on a settled side Klopp had developed over time.
You cannot compare klopp and Ange. They showed klopp some time because he had some pedigree. Ange is a busted flush like our owners.

They all need to duck right off and start again. This club is a joke
 
You cannot compare klopp and Ange. They showed klopp some time because he had some pedigree. Ange is a busted flush like our owners.

They all need to duck right off and start again. This club is a joke
When you say this club is a joke does that encompass fans too? We need stability and to build, that is how pool became better than us.
 
When you say this club is a joke does that encompass fans too? We need stability and to build, that is how pool became better than us.
That’s all great and yes we have had stability …. 20 odd years of it under our ownership.

You only get stability under the right management, not someone just because we need stability for the sake of it.

Amer has shown nothing to warrant that he is the man that can bring stability.

Finally yes some of our fans are a joke like any other club profile. I mean you got , in my opinion, some who wanted winning managers out because they told some bold truths about the club, but want to keep this drongo in because it’s “exciting” … what’s so exciting about not being able to defend or have tactics that can hurt the opposition instead of being simple and only playing one way without the personnel to do so?
but wait if he has the players … yeah since when does our board do that? Even if they he did it wouldn’t last.

He’s a glorified PE teacher from high school.

We need stability we need stability, what a load of Trollope you can’t expect if the people are exactly the opposite of stable
 
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That’s all great and yes we have had stability …. 20 odd years of it under our ownership.

You only get stability under the right management, not someone just because we need stability for the sake of it.

Amer has shown nothing to warrant that he is the man that can bring stability.

Finally yes some of our fans are a joke like any other club profile. I mean you got , in my opinion, some who wanted winning managers out because they told some bold truths about the club, but want to keep this drongo in because it’s “exciting” … what’s so exciting about not being able to defend or have tactics that can hurt the opposition instead of being simple and only playing one way without the personnel to do so?
but wait if he has the players … yeah since when does our board do that? Even if they he did it wouldn’t last.

He’s a glorified PE teacher from high school.

We need stability we need stability, what a load of Trollope you can’t expect if the people are exactly the opposite of stable

Where you’re going wrong is believing stability can only come from a manager who maintains a respectable league position.

You need to break things to change. You need to go backwards 1 step to advance often. But to go a step back and not see out the advancement, that’s plain stupidity. Show some bravery and embark on the journey, no point turning back.
 
Out now, regrettably. An almost wilful ignoring of the obvious - teams just cut through us unless we've completely put them to bed beforehand.

Can't see it'll change as we're seeing no evidence of change or a desire to change.

Adore the attacking, but that's not a savvy game on its own anymore.
 
Where you’re going wrong is believing stability can only come from a manager who maintains a respectable league position.

You need to break things to change. You need to go backwards 1 step to advance often. But to go a step back and not see out the advancement, that’s plain stupidity. Show some bravery and embark on the journey, no point turning back.
What advancement are you alluding to? Sometimes you need to take a step back to go forward.

Thanks for telling me where I’m going wrong, but I’m clearly saying it’s the owners and the current manager in place. The owners have had 20 plus years and are stale. But apparently stability.

Until the owners either sell up or get a manager than can work within their limitations it’s appears going to fail… more times than not.

Where you are going wrong is believing in some theory that is non existent
 
So many lines that ring true to me, one paragraph in particular:

‘How have Tottenham been so unlucky as to end up with so many international footballers who seem to make terrible decisions at key moments? Are they just bad players, incapable of reading a situation? Or have they been slowly stewed in a culture…Where the acid test of your quality is not what you did, or what actually happened, but how loyally you stuck to the ideology?’
Repeatedly I've read on here that it's not the managers system it's individual mistakes letting him down. But I'm of the opinion that it's too often and too many players for it not to be the tactical setup.
 
I don't think he would have succeeded here as per reasons listed under all previous managers
He hasn’t succeeded at pool yet but it’s been a exceptional start
But who knows
I think he may well have been great he too because he would have changed the football and worked with the club on recruitment. The latter is an assumption of course as he hasn’t brought anyone at pool ye5
 
Repeatedly I've read on here that it's not the managers system it's individual mistakes letting him down. But I'm of the opinion that it's too often and too many players for it not to be the tactical setup.
100% Tactical . Just look at the CBs constantly running towards our own goal. Making sprinting recovery runs.No wonder VDV hamstrings are knackered.

He needs to find a better balance as the we will out score you football only works against rubbish. Needing to find a better balance has been said for 12 months now.

Some want to just isolate this season but this form goes back into November last season.

Shipping 10 - 12 in 3 games at home is unacceptable. Let alone 6 in 1 game.
 
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He hasn’t succeeded at pool yet but it’s been a exceptional start
But who knows
I think he may well have been great he too because he would have changed the football and worked with the club on recruitment. The latter is an assumption of course as he hasn’t brought anyone at pool ye5
I don't question Slot. I question Levy cos at some point I just feel he would have done what he has always done. And I may only change my mind depending on how Jan and the summer window goes.....I have little expectations and hope I'm wrong
 
100% Tactical . Just look at the CBs constantly running towards our own goal. Making sprinting recovery runs.No wonder VDV hamstrings are knackered.

He needs to find a better balance as the we will out score you football only works against rubbish. Needing to find a better balance has been said for 12 months now.

Some want to just isolate this season but this form goes back into November last season.

Shipping 10 - 12 in 3 games at home is unacceptable. Let alone 6 in 1 game.
I don't think he will. And when we have others back, we may get a little better. But rinse and repeat that our CBs will be out with hamstring injuries for a period of time again
 
I don't think he will. And when we have others back, we may get a little better. But rinse and repeat that our CBs will be out with hamstring injuries for a period of time again
Then he will be gone. The merry go round will start again.

I think the whole problem runs deeper than Ange at our club. At the same time I don’t think this style of football will consistently get results in the premier league. Even if Levy signs better players Ange is not the man I think will move us forward.

It’s all very Bielsa’s Leeds. Produces odd eye catching result but for the most part a naive approach to winning games.
 
Since December?
We are still in December ffs.
The only reason for someone to use a 4 game sample size 17 games into the season is to cherry pick stats
If you want to go for a season stat

Only 4 teams have lost more games than us - Brentford are level with 8 defeats.

Leicester - we didn't beat
Ipswich - we didn't beat
Wolves - not played
Southampton - smashed
 
Funny, I get laughed at when I point out the quality of coaching staff.
I don't know how "good" they are, but i do know they've never experienced the kind of pressures we are under now and they're also coaching players of the quality and background they've never coached before.

The thing about some people on here saying that celtic fans watching us have said "this isn't Ange-ball" is that as someone senior in my own professional that sees good and bad examples of culture and line management, what I tend to find is that when you overpromote an inexperienced person to manage a team of experienced, professional SME's what tends to happen is that they'll be professional and pretend subconsciously or consciously to take things in, in terms of how that manager wants things to be done, but they then tend to just go off and do their own thing. Then the manager starts to get frustrated with them and complains that they're being unprofessional and conflict begins.

I don't know if that's why we seeing what we are seeing or whether that applies in professional football. I suspect it does. I'm imagining a situation where Nick Montgomery (previously of Hibs in the SPL) tells Bentancur and Romero what to do and they will probably be professional and will probably take it in to an extent but if it clashes with what they've previously been told is best practice at clubs like Juventus then there's going to be a conflict in their head and naturally they'll probably regard what they've been told at Juventus by someone with 20-30 years coaching at elite level as superior.

I feel like that's why we see players like Romero make so many moves that don't make sense in the situations and team structure that we have, it's him subconsciously at least seeing a deteriorating game situation and thinking *f**k it* and taking matters into his own hands, whether that's stepping in to cover what he perceives to be an unacceptable gap that maybe the coaching staff have instructed the team to leave, which then leaves his man unmarked at the far post....or whatever. It does strike me that the players that look least comfortable in this system are the more experienced players: Son, Romero, Bissouma and Maddison in particular have been very inconsistent since Ange came in, in these tactics and they often seem caught in two-minds and consistently make poor situational choices that they don't make on international duty or when they played for their previous clubs.

Ultimately the questions everyone in this thread need to ask themselves is:

1) Do you have ambitions to see THFC compete in the top 4 and for silverware?
2) Do you think Emirates Marketing Project, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool, Man United, Bayern Munich, Borussia Dortmund, Real Madrid, Barcelona, Athletico Madrid, Valencia, Juventus, AC Milan, Inter or Napoli would have hired Ange Postecoglu and all of these coaches?
3) Even if they had (Valencia hired Gary Neville FFS) do you think 18 months in, in our current situation, they'd tolerate this and trust the process?

I can tell you that the answer to 2) and 3) is "no the f*** they wouldn't"
 
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Haha what nonsense. International players like Gray (under 21) playing CB for maybe the 4th time in his career. Dragusin 22 a 3rd choice CB. Spence just settling into PL football making his 2nd start. Forster with 6 caps from over a decade ago - 2013 was his first cap. Sarr just settling into PL football, he wasn’t a regular PL starter prior to Postecoglou.

So wtf rings true here? That it’s analysis based on fiction? Half of the team are squad players who haven’t had the rotation pool got. I’m shocked people lap this zhit up.
What you say is true but what the article Said is also true. Our players are picked for their countries and are used
 
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