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Andre Villas-Boas - Head Coach

jimmyb said:
You haven't fully grasped the concept of hypothetical scenarios yet, have you?!!

No one is saying that Spurs will necessarily move forward under AVB. I no more know that they will than you know that they won't. You were hypothesizing, even if you didn't realise it. So was I.

What I was trying to explain, unsuccessfully it seems, is that:

a) Improvement cannot be measured merely in relation to other clubs. Spurs might improve under AVB. But other clubs might improve even more. So while finishing 5th would, on the face of it, be a regression from finishing 4th (if you judge improvement purely in relation to other clubs), it is also true to say that winning 74 points would be an improvement on winning 69 points (if you judge improvement in terms of results). So would Spurs have improved or regressed? Both, is the answer.

b) Likewise, you insist that AVB must achieve 4th in order to match Harry and he must achieve 4th in his first season - or else he will have failed. But if he has a long term plan which will inevitably require a period of adjustment but which will eventually lead to greater, longer lasting success, then will he really have failed?

Nick Faldo was a promising, young golfer in his early days. He won a few European tour events and was expected to make a decent career for himself. But that wasn't good enough for Faldo. He knew that his swing wasn't robust enough to cope with the mental challenge of winning the really big events - the Majors. He knew that it would always let him down whenever he was under severe pressure. So he took a radical decision. He decided to remodel his swing completely, with the help of David Leadbitter. As a consequence, his game was all over the shop for a year or two. He dropped down the European rankings. Missed loads of cuts. Looked like never fulfilling the modest promise he had once shown. But he knew what he was doing. He accepted the pain and the failure because he knew that, once his remodelled swing was properly grooved in, he would be a far better player than he once was - a player that could hope to win far more than merely the occasional European tour event. And so it was. He became the word's number one golfer and won six Majors.
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jimmy im sure you've made some points in there but I'll be honest with you - I'm too tired to read it.
 
Spur of the moment said:
Sidestepping the point again are we? You know very well what I'm saying. Face up to it Jimmy, if AVB is a failure like he was at Chelsea this Board will go into meltdown.
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No one knows what point you were trying to make and you persistently refuse to explain it. Instead, you bizarrely choose to accuse unwitting posters of doing what it is that you have actually done. Bizarre.
 
Sheikh Ma Nuggets said:
Obviously.

To be honest, I couldn't give a brick whether he hated our guts, or tossed over us every single night - means fudge all. All that matters to me is results, and he got those - no shadow or a doubt about that.

Some of you lot want a manager who 'gives a brick about Tottenham'. You had that with the fudging loser Glenn Hoddle; have some of you not learn about hiring demigods?
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AVB doesn't care about Tottenham, he cares about trying to show Chelsea was a blip in a soaring career.

If we are part of his edemption then happy days.
 
Leeds Spur said:
So we can't expect you down the lane this eason then?

Your hero won't be there after all.

When will you make the call on AVB's success or otherwise?
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End of the season, as always.

I'm not one of these dingdongheads who bang on about 'WE WERE 3RDZ!!!1111!!!1' two thirds in.
 
Sheikh Ma Nuggets said:
I haven't ignored Porto. Check my first post in this thread.

But he's got a massive point to prove now with us; something which Harry never had to.

You don't like Harry Redknapp - yeah we all get that, it's boring. But he achieved with this club, and it's up to his successor to - at the very least - emulate that. If he doesn't, then it doesn't say much for your judgement, does it?
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So we are at emulate that now are we?

Not better? Make your mind up son.
 
Leeds Spur said:
Sorry for pointing out your sarcastic snipe was in fact flimflam.

Chelsea fired Mourinho.....should they hve done that?

I'll save you the bother of trying to think of a ridiculous WUM reply.

No he shouldn't.
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Oh right, so AVB was actually a resounding success at Chelsea?

With respect, having won the Champions League with Di Matteo, I doubt they give a fudge.
 
Spursalot said:
Why? your hypothetically claiming that is harry had another year he'd match his form.


So we should ignore hypotheticals?
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You're quite right, of course, but you're wasting your time, fella. Sheikh hasn't yet fully grasped the concept of hypothetical scenarios.
 
Leeds Spur said:
AVB doesn't care about Tottenham, he cares about trying to show Chelsea was a blip in a soaring career.

If we are part of his edemption then happy days.
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After which he'll hitch his skirt for a Man Utd, Barcelona, Real Madrid job?

Real long-term strategy there from Daniel Levy; prove you're better than Chelsea, then get picked-off.
 
Sheikh Ma Nuggets said:
Oh right, so AVB was actually a resounding success at Chelsea?

With respect, having won the Champions League with Di Matteo, I doubt they give a fudge.
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This is fun......you can run but you can't hide.

I'll join the dots up for you shall I?

You just said AVB being fired is indictive of the fact he was failure at Chelsea.

Mourinho was fired by that same dysfunctional club but he's the best manager in world football by most reasonable measures and current CV.

So you don't have a point at all, it's completely negated and ruined.

Are you saying Di Matteo masterminded that win and lady luch wasn't 99% of it?

Shows how desperate you are.

A job awaits on Talkbrick!! Durham would be proud.
 
Great reading boys keep it up!

I'm under whelmed to be honest. I was with Redknapp too as most were but was happy to be proved wrong. As I say I'm very under whelmed but will support him nonetheless.
 
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