Andre Villas-Boas - Head Coach

[Sheikh Ma Nuggets]

It's not hypothetical what Harry would have achieved, 4-5-4, it's fact.

Some of the posters on this thread... Good thing your opinions carry the importance of fudge all when it comes to what Levy considers good enough.

Some? Try all, including yours.

 

[nayimfromthehalfwayline]

You don't understand do you?

LEVY is the one who fudged him off; it wasn't Harry who chose to walk. Therein, Levy obviously thinks Harry isn't doing enough with the squad and the grass is greener elsewhere. So, whoever comes in will have to do better than Harry Redknapp did, and that means achieving 3rd.

Don't blame me, mate - this is the level of expectation which Daniel Levy obviously has. Levy ain't gonna take 6th or 7th - have a fudging laugh will you, he's got far too much riding on it.

If Levy honestly thinks 3rd is achievable with AVB, then sign me up! But fudge me, AVB has a brickload of pressure on his back, don't you worry about that. And if some of you seriously think Levy would stomach 7th? haha - no fudging chance, it'd be Adios Andre!

Levys expectations, or issues with Redknapp possibly betrayed in his statement today?

"Andre shares our long-term ambitions and ethos of developing players and nurturing young talent, and he will be able to do so now at a new world-class training centre."

No mention of "4th at least or else" there, is there?

Just as his statement last year (I think) basically amounted to saying the he knows we are in a 3 or 4 way fight for CL and so we need to be competing (again, no "4th at least or else")

In fact, has Levy ever said that?

 

[BrainOfLevy]

Check my posts when Harry left - you'll see the exact same as I'm saying now.

4th WAS brilliant. I thought we WERE overachieving.

But Levy obviously thinks we can get 3rd.

Don't blame me, blame Daniel.

SIGN ME UP!

He has never said he expects 3rd, infact he acknowledges that it's tough to expect top 4 and won't run the club based on expecting it.

Harry was sacked for the type of manager he is, not because he is a bad one.

 

[kanoute16]

I'm only bothered what he did at Spurs. Not sure why you're so at pains for me to be bothered about these other brick clubs that have fudge all to do with us?

He settled for 4th place after doing fudge all to stop the rot in March, hoping Chelsea would lose in the CL eventually to Barca or Munich. He's a wheeler dealer whose gamble failed - that's the man you're worshipping! Didn't give a toss about Spurs mate!

 

[Southcote Spur]

...and yet he didn't have a fudging clue how to win a football match with multi-million pound Chelsea.

Those Chel$ea fans who could see beyond the end of their noses would say that AVB was on the right lines and he was only making the sort of decisions that some other poor schmuck will have to make in the not too distant future. As far as I am concerned, AVB is our manager and he has this:

.......to make his own history for us [-o< *

* The "praying" smiley is to denote my hope for a wonderful future.

It won't stop me joining in with the "AVB and his Blue and White Army" when it gets started at SJP (or the SDA) at the start of the season!

 

[Leeds Spur]

Check my posts when Harry left - you'll see the exact same as I'm saying now.

4th WAS brilliant. I thought we WERE overachieving.

But Levy obviously thinks we can get 3rd.

Don't blame me, blame Daniel.

SIGN ME UP!

So 4th was brillint and we were overachieving, but AVB needs to finish 3rd?

Harry let Levy and the club down, then tried to strongarm Levy through the media, bye bye harry.

He's also 65, has a dodgy ticker and has more court brick hanging over him potentially.

Levy wanted someone young to come in and spend money, not Harry, and especially not after what happened.

Harry did well, can't anyone else? Or is Harry the best manager in world football?

What did people think of Harry when he signed? He exceeded expectations, can't a man with 4 tropies behind him already at 34 do the same?

Is that so hard to get your swede around?

 

[Leeds Spur]

I'm only bothered what he did at Spurs. Not sure why you're so at pains for me to be bothered about these other brick clubs that have fudge all to do with us?

So you're only bothered in what confirms your opinion.

Ignore Porto, Chelse is everything.

Ignore Southampton, Spurs is everything.

Some on now fella - mugging yourself off.

 

[billyiddo]

Harry did well, can't anyone else? Or is Harry the best manager in world football?

Im still waiting for someone to explain what it is that Harry has as a manager that makes it nigh on impossible task to replace him or for a new manager to achieve what he did with these players

 

[Sheikh Ma Nuggets]

Levys expectations, or issues with Redknapp possibly betrayed in his statement today?

"Andre shares our long-term ambitions and ethos of developing players and nurturing young talent, and he will be able to do so now at a new world-class training centre."

No mention of "4th at least or else" there, is there?

Just as his statement last year (I think) basically amounted to saying the he knows we are in a 3 or 4 way fight for CL and so we need to be competing (again, no "4th at least or else")

In fact, has Levy ever said that?

More like bland, generic statement, with conveniently placed link to the training centre.

He's hardly going to say "4th at least or else" is he; I don't think any of us are that stupid, surely?

The bottom line though, is that 4th place - in most seasons - equals the riches of the Champions League.

Levy isn't running some charitable organisation; he needs the big benjamins to pay the bills and grow the brand and if the manager ain't doing the right brick then his ass WILL be fired.

Remember, Ramos was supposed to be some lovely new direction; a long-term vision with lots of lovely flowers and glitter. Unfortunately though, he rooted the club to the bottom of the table and, as much as I love ya Juande...ya fudging fired hombre.

 

[Sheikh Ma Nuggets]

He settled for 4th place after doing fudge all to stop the rot in March, hoping Chelsea would lose in the CL eventually to Barca or Munich. He's a wheeler dealer whose gamble failed - that's the man you're worshipping! Didn't give a toss about Spurs mate!

4th, 5th, 4th.

Obviously.

 

[Leeds Spur]

...and yet he didn't have a fudging clue how to win a football match with multi-million pound Chelsea.

He won plenty.

De Matteo had a worse record in the league!

And he raped Harry 5-1 in the semi final......or is that erased from your memory because it's a negative on Harry's ledger??

Hilarious

 

[Leeds Spur]

...and yet he didn't have a fudging clue how to win a football match with multi-million pound Chelsea.

He won plenty.

De Matteo had a worse record in the league!

And De Matteo raped Harry 5-1 in the semi final......or is that erased from your memory because it's a negative on Harry's ledger??

Hilarious

 

[Yermiyahu]

Where did you buy your crystal ball? To what degree is it accurate? Where did you learn to read it?

:ross::ross:

 

[Spursalot]

4th, 5th, 4th.

Obviously.

Finishing well with spurs is also self serving.


Doesn't mean he gave a toss.

 

[jimmyb]

Says who? Who says we're moving forward?

I base my view on the knowns, not the unknowns.

Our last three seasons has been: 4th, 5th, 4th.

Who in their right fudging mind would start banging a drum for finishing 5th or even 6th, when that's the form in front of you? All this flimflam about teams around us; teams around us? Hmm okay, well Harry didn't seem to have a problem with what other teams around us were doing, so it seems like some excuse which is already being put in-place in order to justify failure.

It's utter nonsense. The truth here is that some of you got obsessed with Harry Redknapp, the person. But Harry Redknapp, the Tottenham manager, was doing a job which produced a record that not a single one of you can criticise. He didn't need crap like 'oh well what if x team improves, and another one too, blah blah blah'. No, he just on and did the job with the resources he had to work with.

The bottom line for me, is that whoever comes in better get fudging 4th or else it's a failure of Levy's judgement. 6th, 7th? fudge off, are some of you having a laugh? You'd seriously take 7th when we've been riding high up in 4th? Give me a fudging break, or what really IS really important to some of you?

No wonder the media have such a laugh at Spurs fans: if I was a journalist, I'd be laughing my crack off if I read fans of a football club who'd finished 4th, 5th, 4th suddenly saying 'oooh, hmm, well I guess I'd take 6th...and even 7th'. Seriously, no fudging wonder we're labelled small time and laughed about.

I can only imagine what Arsenal fans must be saying - christ almighty, it must be like Santa's come early! Look at the stupid little Spurs fans; had some success, then didn't know what to do with themselves, so they went and sacked the manager and then appointed a Chelsea reject in order to 'take their club in a new direction'. Yep, the 'new direction' is...back to being fudging brick again. And guess what, Spurs fans go back to getting a boner about 'maybe a nice cup run or winning the Europa League'.

Well fudge that. I won't accept 7th. Or 6th. Or even 5th. AVB better finish at least 4th, and 3rd to justify the change. Or else, it's a failure of Levy's judgement. Simple as that. Harry has the form; as consistent a record as they come. Change for a bricker outcome = failure; a brick, unnecessary change. Laughable that some of you think our star players would accept 7th? :lol: No fudging way, they'd be running for the doors and I'd be clapping their ambition for doing so.

So, over to you, Andre: match it, or beat it. Good luck with that sunshine.

You haven't fully grasped the concept of hypothetical scenarios yet, have you?!!

No one is saying that Spurs will necessarily move forward under AVB. I no more know that they will than you know that they won't. You were hypothesizing, even if you didn't realise it. So was I.

What I was trying to explain, unsuccessfully it seems, is that:

a) Improvement cannot be measured merely in relation to other clubs. Spurs might improve under AVB. But other clubs might improve even more. So while finishing 5th would, on the face of it, be a regression from finishing 4th (if you judge improvement purely in relation to other clubs), it is also true to say that winning 74 points would be an improvement on winning 69 points (if you judge improvement in terms of results). So would Spurs have improved or regressed? Both, is the answer.

b) Likewise, you insist that AVB must achieve 4th in order to match Harry and he must achieve 4th in his first season - or else he will have failed. But if he has a long term plan which will inevitably require a period of adjustment but which will eventually lead to greater, longer lasting success, then will he really have failed?

Nick Faldo was a promising, young golfer in his early days. He won a few European tour events and was expected to make a decent career for himself. But that wasn't good enough for Faldo. He knew that his swing wasn't robust enough to cope with the mental challenge of winning the really big events - the Majors. He knew that it would always let him down whenever he was under severe pressure. So he took a radical decision. He decided to remodel his swing completely, with the help of David Leadbitter. As a consequence, his game was all over the shop for a year or two. He dropped down the European rankings. Missed loads of cuts. Looked like never fulfilling the modest promise he had once shown. But he knew what he was doing. He accepted the pain and the failure because he knew that, once his remodelled swing was properly grooved in, he would be a far better player than he once was - a player that could hope to win far more than merely the occasional European tour event. And so it was. He became the word's number one golfer and won six Majors.

 

[Leeds Spur]

4th, 5th, 4th.

Obviously.

So we can't expect you down the lane this eason then?

Your hero won't be there after all.

When will you make the call on AVB's success or otherwise?

 

[Sheikh Ma Nuggets]

So you're only bothered in what confirms your opinion.

Ignore Porto, Chelse is everything.

Ignore Southampton, Spurs is everything.

Some on now fella - mugging yourself off.

I haven't ignored Porto. Check my first post in this thread.

But he's got a massive point to prove now with us; something which Harry never had to.

You don't like Harry Redknapp - yeah we all get that, it's boring. But he achieved with this club, and it's up to his successor to - at the very least - emulate that. If he doesn't, then it doesn't say much for your judgement, does it?

 

[Sheikh Ma Nuggets]

He won plenty.

De Matteo had a worse record in the league!

And he raped Harry 5-1 in the semi final......or is that erased from your memory because it's a negative on Harry's ledger??

Hilarious

So good he's still employed.

Oh...

 

[Leeds Spur]

More like bland, generic statement, with conveniently placed link to the training centre.

He's hardly going to say "4th at least or else" is he; I don't think any of us are that stupid, surely?

The bottom line though, is that 4th place - in most seasons - equals the riches of the Champions League.

Levy isn't running some charitable organisation; he needs the big benjamins to pay the bills and grow the brand and if the manager ain't doing the right brick then his ass WILL be fired.

Remember, Ramos was supposed to be some lovely new direction; a long-term vision with lots of lovely flowers and glitter. Unfortunately though, he rooted the club to the bottom of the table and, as much as I love ya Juande...ya fudging fired hombre.

Levy can't be fired.

Sorry

 

[Sheikh Ma Nuggets]

Finishing well with spurs is also self serving.


Doesn't mean he gave a toss.

Obviously.

To be honest, I couldn't give a brick whether he hated our guts, or tossed over us every single night - means fudge all. All that matters to me is results, and he got those - no shadow or a doubt about that.

Some of you lot want a manager who 'gives a brick about Tottenham'. You had that with the fudging loser Glenn Hoddle; have some of you not learn about hiring demigods?