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American politics

braineclipse said:
They're talking points, rarely connected to real issues and actual policies of the Democrats.
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And that is precisly the point.

You don't get it. It's not always about policy that wins elections.

Those talking points, we're not points for most people.

Like i said, the left/democrates just don't get it.
 
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SkipRat said:
And that is precisly the point.

You don't get it. It's not always about policy that wins elections.

Those talking points, we're not points for most people.

Like i said, the left/democrates just don't get it.
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Your suggestion is what exactly? Say on the woke thing, what should Harris and her campaign have done?
 
Kandi1977 said:
No, and he'll Commit more serious crimes as president. They've already established, by the supreme Court, that he's not liable for anything he does when he's president. He can basically do whatever he wants with no limits. There will be no legal consequences.
It's scary!
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He will take revenge on his detractors as 'enemies of the state'. Expect early 90s Russia vibes.
 
Kandi1977 said:
No, and he'll Commit more serious crimes as president. They've already established, by the supreme Court, that he's not liable for anything he does when he's president. He can basically do whatever he wants with no limits. There will be no legal consequences.
It's scary!
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He’ll be able to get another lunatic judge in there too probably.
 
SpurMeUp said:
No easy feat. But if Trump does manage to end the war wouldn't that be something to celebrate? The banal way so-called liberals happily throw (young) human life into the meat grinder from afar is quite disgusting. I am no Trump supporter, but the biases and polarised nature of people's positions on both sides is clear, and potentially damaging. Why shouldn't Trump be celebrated if he somehow manages to end the war?

I don't think he will. But doing the same thing as now does not seem like the answer does it?
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That would heavily depend on on what terms the war ends. If it ends and Russia get to keep the territory they currently occupy, it would be a catastrophe of epic proportions! That would literally be saying that it's perfectly fine to attack another country and occupy it, as there will be no consequences.
 
braineclipse said:
Your suggestion is what exactly? Say on the woke thing, what should Harris and her campaign have done?
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Nothing she could have done. The damage was already done.

You only have to the collapse of woke AAA gaming, and anger of fans towards woke Star Wars... how how everyone is rejecting them, but the idiots keep shoving this crap down everyone's throat.

CRT
All this white privilege BS.
Fecking BS pro-nouns with ones getting made up every day. Your pronouns are determined, by your sex organs.

The Democrats never had a chance. They created their own failure, because they embraced the woke in sanity and diversity garbage.

The Democrats, lost years ago.
 
SpurMeUp said:
You believe Putin to be akin to Hitler?
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He’s meddling the pot in Moldova, Poland and other former Soviet territories.

I don’t think he’s doing that for fun. He wants as much territory as he can get.

Hypothetically if he’d taken Ukraine early then he’d have been grateful for it, knowing he can turn his attention and use his troop to concentrate on other territories he has planned on seizing.

At the moment every Russian soldier, convict, North Korean that dies in Ukraine is one less that would eventually have died in Moldova, Poland, Georgia and everywhere else that he has aspirations for.

Do you honestly think that if he takes Ukraine he will stop there? That seems very trusting.
 
Poland? Really?

The others not under NATO I'll give you, very strong possibilities that a view could be turned there. But Poland, a NATO country who would be fully back with soldiers in addition to equipment by the rest of NATO?

He can't even force back a less numbered army of Ukraine who are just using NATO supplied equipment in limited form currently.
 
Trixster said:
Poland? Really?

The others not under NATO I'll give you, very strong possibilities that a view could be turned there. But Poland, a NATO country who would be fully back with soldiers in addition to equipment by the rest of NATO?

He can't even force back a less numbered army of Ukraine who are just using NATO supplied equipment in limited form currently.
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NATO which is going to get ripped apart in January?
 
SkipRat said:
Nothing she could have done. The damage was already done.

You only have to the collapse of woke AAA gaming, and anger of fans towards woke Star Wars... how how everyone is rejecting them, but the idiots keep shoving this crap down everyone's throat.

CRT
All this white privilege BS.
Fecking BS pro-nouns with ones getting made up every day. Your pronouns are determined, by your sex organs.

The Democrats never had a chance. They created their own failure, because they embraced the woke in sanity and diversity garbage.

The Democrats, lost years ago.
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I'm a big believer in the influence of human stupidity. As are you going by how you write a lot of your posts.

Seems that you see a lot of this as a result of culture war stuff. That's fair, it's definitely a factor. Far from the only one where Harris essentially had very little actual impact, but one of them.

I get that some people have been pushed to the right and to Trump over the culture war issues.

Why though? Why does this make people so fudging angry that this pushes them towards Trump, fascists, racists etc?

Most people who are angry about this, angry enough about it to have it influence their voting haven't just become angry because of the games, the movies, CRT or pronouns. Other people have made them angry about it. Other people with secondary motivations have made them angry about the culture war brick. In part to get people to vote against their own interests. People aren't THIS stupid on their own. They're being played and can't see it.

With this, like with Q-anon stuff, the evangelicals, racism, climate denialism, covid conspiracies etc Trump panders to it. The amoral dipbrick he is he will do anything that serves himself.

And as a part of this self serving bastards knowingly are doing his leg work by getting people angry about CRT, wokeism in Star Wars, climate science etc. It's a strategy, politically and ideologically to get people angry about CRT, wokeism in Star Wars, pronouns etc.

That's not on the Democrats. That's on the people being bastards.
 
SpurMeUp said:
My issue is people doing it from afar. Very easy to commit another nation to 'the cause' whilst suffering very little. Whilst US arms companies and US gas exports thrive. With scant regard for what the people in Ukraine actually want. The idea that "every Ukrainian" wants war is totally incorrect too. These are complex issues and it is clear that people here do not even have a base level comprehension. For example, the east of Ukraine was largely pro-Russia. This changed and developed after the invasion and the conduct of Russia. But to make such sweeping statements really shows our biases. And to suggest that Trump suing for peace is a bad thing, just because he is Trump, is crazy. More crazy than he is! Of course we should be seeking peace. Why are we debating otherwise?

So we should not pursue peace because of this one event in history that has its own unique truth and detail? There are lessons to be learned from history and this is certainly pertinent too, but a. to suggest this is the same as Hitler does not equate to me, and b. would you rule out pursuing peace because of this one analogous event? Nato's collective intelligence systems are worlds away from where they were 100 years ago. We know everything about Russia. We know when they wanted to invade, where they are getting their troops from etc etc etc. The notion that we could not pursue peace and also be ready for war, is flawed too.

My simple point was: as 'liberals' we lambast Trump for seeking a peaceful solution; can you acknowledge the irony?
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It's not Trump's remit to negotiate peace. It's up to Ukraine to give him that remit in the first instance.

And besides.....Trump and Putin in a room to negotiate peace, good luck with that. They might get to a conclusion but we all know whom that conclusion will be serving.
 
Baleforce said:
NATO which is going to get ripped apart in January?
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Thing is, is it though?

All we have is the doom-mongering of this will happen and that will happen, until we actually get there we have no idea just what is going to happen. And even if he wants to take America out of NATO or disband it, the twenty six countries I'm sure are quite capable of coming up with an alternative name and perform the exact same functions that we have today.
 
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