American politics

[SpurMeUp]

It's not Trump's remit to negotiate peace. It's up to Ukraine to give him that remit in the first instance.

The US effectively started the war. It is a proxy war. Without US intervention Russia would have swiftly taken over. The US is very much key. Did they have a "remit" to get involved in Russia's back yard in the first place? Would you espouse Russia do the same in say Puerto Rico or Mexico? Start to meddle in their elections, or start to send arms to fight the US?

Would feel the same way if Russia had warned, prepped and backed Iraq before the US and allies invaded?

vAnd besides.....Trump and Putin in a room to negotiate peace, good luck with that. They might get to a conclusion but we all know whom that conclusion will be serving.

It could result in a worse war. It could result in hookers and vodka. No one knows. But if it results in peace, does it matter? I agree its a scary thought, and it is quite possible that the outcome is worse than now. But the US should be seeking peace, not continued proxy war. Such wars - and we have seen many - never benefit the native nation.

 

[SpurMeUp]

Without wanting to speak for Grays, he probably means a dictator invading countries that don't want to be invaded.

Without wanting to be pedantic is that an "ideal"? Maybe was a different point idk.

Anyways...Putin can't be a Nazi as he clearly declared that was his reason behind invading Ukraine...to cleanse them of Nazis. Roll eyes.

 

[Jordinho]

Yup, tax breaks for the rich and reduced corporation tax, enough to get Musk fully on board. He also now has Trumps ear, can influence things to how he wants them. They're the only reason he gives a fudge about Trump.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1848081927565103367

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

Without wanting to speak for Grays, he probably means a dictator invading countries that don't want to be invaded.

Anyways...Putin can't be a Nazi as he clearly declared that was his reason behind invading Ukraine...to cleanse them of Nazis. Roll eyes.

Did that make Blair a liar then?

 

[SkipRat]

From the last time Trump won... The left learned nothing...

 

[glasgowspur]

Did that make Blair a liar then?

No, just a dic.

 

[SkipRat]

The US effectively started the war. It is a proxy war. Without US intervention Russia would have swiftly taken over. The US is very much key. Did they have a "remit" to get involved in Russia's back yard in the first place? Would you espouse Russia do the same in say Puerto Rico or Mexico? Start to meddle in their elections, or start to send arms to fight the US?


It could result in a worse war. It could result in hookers and vodka. No one knows. But if it results in peace, does it matter? I agree its a scary thought, and it is quite possible that the outcome is worse than now. But the US should be seeking peace, not continued proxy war. Such wars - and we have seen many - never benefit the native nation.

How did the US start the war?

The US gave assurances to Ukraine if they gave up the Nukes America would help defend them.

Then what about Merkel and Sarkozy vetoed Ukraine joining in 2007. Then this wouldn't have happened at all.

The whole reason this started is because the West are brick allies and nicey nicey doesn't cut it at an international level.

The war is going to end, Ukraine is fudged, Russia will be empowered and embolden and everyone will see that America has the balls the size of peanuts.

Even the UK gave up the Chagos islands for no reason what-so-ever. Tiny little balls that will do nothing but empower others.

 

[thfcsteff]

Exactly.

Ignore at your peril.

And the left/Democrates did and will continue to do so.

In fairness, when you drill down, they got closer to answering these concerns on this campaign. This was not 2016 in that regard. As ever, Trump turned it into WWE and that is where the Dems couldn't win. That and the US is not ready for a female President.

 

[Rorschach]

Something nagging me about the drop in voter numbers. Supposedly there were record registrations, record turnout, etc but 15mil fewer dems than before? And this from Trump a few weeks ago - “You don't need to vote we have the votes”, and his admission he has a little secret. I'm clutching at straws I know but something seems a little off with all of this.

(ok I'll have one more look at twitter then I'm done)
(edit: this is gaining traction it would seem...hmmm)

 

[thfcsteff]

The battlefield for this election is Social Media...it's 8 years since his last election' win and, in case no one has noticed, the glow of someone's smartphone on their face, is a semi permanent tattoo. Consume consume consume.

Tik Tok (a Chinese company lol) has more reach/consumption/engagement than all the American networks put together.

Rogan has 18m+ subscribers just on Spotify.

Musk owns X ffs!

Trump is performer (perfect for SM) good at soundbites but also a great storyteller (good for SM). Storytelling exists to press ones emotional buttons, it doesn't require facts or cross examination, just to resonate, uplift and 'fudge yeah' make you angry (just like SM).

That is the modern day playground, it doesn't take much to catch the people, to fool them.(Appears quite hard to convince them they've been fooled though) Tell them what they want to here, and tell them every 10secs...so they don't have time to think, analyse and GHod forbid, question.

Politics has got caught up in this theatre, when it should be so much more serious.
But of course, there is a serious side, and that's ALL that Trump is not telling you. Is he on your side? No, he's on his side. Are you dispensable, absolutely.

Yup! Agreed!
Throw in WWE style rhetoric and there you have it.

 

[SpurMeUp]

How did the US start the war?

Would there be a war if Russia had swept in and taken Ukraine without intelligence and intervention from the US?

The US gave assurances to Ukraine if they gave up the Nukes America would help defend them.

Then what about Merkel and Sarkozy vetoed Ukraine joining in 2007. Then this wouldn't have happened at all.

Works both ways. The EU lifting its skirt to Ukraine, when Russia had previously been in a quasi-common wealth arrangement with Ukraine, giving it cheap oil but having some sway and control, is the root cause of this war. The US has public record of the billions spent pre-war trying to manipulate Ukrainian democracy to serve its own anti-russian goals.

Where does Europe get its gas from now that it is no longer coming from Russia? The US.
Which arms companies get the orders and aid packages?

The whole reason this started is because the West are brick allies and nicey nicey doesn't cut it at an international level.

The war is going to end, Ukraine is fudged, Russia will be empowered and embolden and everyone will see that America has the balls the size of peanuts.

Even the UK gave up the Chagos islands for no reason what-so-ever. Tiny little balls that will do nothing but empower others.

Sounds like you are more aligned with Putin than you think.

 

[SkipRat]

This is mainly on the Democrats. For weeks all the polls were saying that 1) economy
2) immigration were the concerns of the electorate with the war in Gaza being a major negative against the Dems. Yet not heard anything from them to counter these issues. Instead they focused on bringing in the stars to endorse them. Stars who don't really speak to people suffering because of the cost of living going up.

Surely it's politics 101 to attack your opponent but also to lay out some policies of your own at least to address concerns of the voters!

And the same stars that were calling everyone racist, bigot, misogynist, for not buying/watching/listening to their shyte.

For years now Holywood and the like's of Disney, Amazon, and their stars have been pushing the narrative that if you we ruin your favourite IP, you are a racist, bigot, misogynist if you don't like it.

Then the Dem's bring in these same people to get the electorate to vote for them.

Seriously what do they think was going to happen.

Vote for democrats you racist clams, was always going to work.

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

Would there be a war if Russia had swept in and taken Ukraine without intelligence and intervention from the US?

Works both ways. The EU lifting its skirt to Ukraine, when Russia had previously been in a quasi-common wealth arrangement with Ukraine, giving it cheap oil but having some sway and control, is the root cause of this war. The US has public record of the billions spent pre-war trying to manipulate Ukrainian democracy to serve its own anti-russian goals.

Told you they were evil. Glad your finally on my side, welcome. We meet in the local community centre and drink tea and moan about foreigners and self service tills.

 

[SkipRat]

Would there be a war if Russia had swept in and taken Ukraine without intelligence and intervention from the US?

Works both ways. The EU lifting its skirt to Ukraine, when Russia had previously been in a quasi-common wealth arrangement with Ukraine, giving it cheap oil but having some sway and control, is the root cause of this war. The US has public record of the billions spent pre-war trying to manipulate Ukrainian democracy to serve its own anti-russian goals.

Where does Europe get its gas from now that it is no longer coming from Russia? The US.
Which arms companies get the orders and aid packages?


Sounds like you are more aligned with Putin than you think.

Oh, so the Ukrainians had no right to determine their own future?

Just be a puppet state of the Kremlin and corrupt to f*ck?

But I bet you have criticised the USA for it's manipulation of foreign governments and how bang out of order they were?

It sounds like you only believe in democracy when it is done how "you" want it to be done. A bit like the EU, crying we love democracy, then when someone exercises democracy that doesn't go their way, they punish them or order them to do it again until they get the result "they" want.

The war started because the Russians are backward thinking c*nts stuck in the cold war and thinking this is 1954 and thought they could get away with petty BS bullying. Brought about, because the west the did feck all after the invasion of Crimea and the likes of the EU got on their knees and sucked Russia off like a crack kitten at a bukkake party, for cheap oil as a deterrent.

 

[SkipRat]

Sounds like you are more aligned with Putin than you think.

How the feck do you work that out?

You on crack or something?

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

It does seem to me observing politics over the last 30 years that every Republican nominee is evil and the worst thing to happen to the world, which will end very shortly.

Though that never happens, it's almost like it's scaremongering...

 

[SkipRat]

It does seem to me observing politics over the last 30 years that every Republican nominee is evil and the worst thing to happen to the world, which will end very shortly.

Though that never happens, it's almost like it's scaremongering...

Linking to them to the Nazi's like the GOP are gonna march millions of migrants to the gas chambers...

Amazing what people say when they have never faced real fascism, Nazism and throw these words around like confetti at a wedding.

 

[SpurMeUp]

Oh, so the Ukrainians had no right to determine their own future?

Who said that? What a numpty u r.

Just be a puppet state of the Kremlin and corrupt to f*ck?

But I bet you have criticised the USA for it's manipulation of foreign governments and how bang out of order they were?

It sounds like you only believe in democracy when it is done how "you" want it to be done. A bit like the EU, crying we love democracy, then when someone exercises democracy that doesn't go their way, they punish them or order them to do it again until they get the result "they" want.

Just a spout of diarrhoea assumption. Speak for yourself rather than others.

The war started because the Russians are backward thinking c*nts stuck in the cold war and thinking this is 1954 and thought they could get away with petty BS bullying. Brought about, because the west the did feck all after the invasion of Crimea and the likes of the EU got on their knees and sucked Russia off like a crack kitten at a bukkake party, for cheap oil as a deterrent.

Russian imperialism started the invasion. The war wouldn't have happened without external support.

 

[SkipRat]

Who said that? What a numpty u r.

Just a spout of diarrhoea assumption. Speak for yourself rather than others.


Russian imperialism started the invasion. The war wouldn't have happened without external support.

I am not the one spouting conspiracy theories.

The Ukrainians wanted to join the EU and rejected the Russian puppet, hence the protests, the Russians wouldn't let them. America had no say in the matter.

Merkel and Sarkozy vetoed Ukraine from joining NATO in 2007, then sucked off Russia for cheap oil after their invasion of Crimea in 2014. Despite every other member of NATO warning them otherwise.

Your right, they did get support from a weak and pathetic Europe and USA, for not standing up to Putin the first place.

 

[braineclipse]

Thanks for proving my point entirely.

An entire post of not understanding a single thing.

Exactly why trump won.

I see we've reached the confidently claim that I'm right part of the argumentation, mixed in with a slight bit of insulting.

Go on then since you're so confident about this. Who has properly influenced your opinions on CRT, wokeness in video-games, gender pronouns and how these views impact "the left"?

Surely given how confident you are about these things you should be very confident in your sources for these beliefs and be happy to share...