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*** OMT: Spurs vs Sunderland*** Tottenham Hotspur Stadium, Sunday 4th January, 3pm

SissokoWasGood (BoL) said:
Ok. I may have misunderstood you and for that I apologise. If you’re saying that due to the quality of the player, it doesn’t matter how you play because ultimately it will all snap back to the same sorts of results, that I probably agree with. I do think there’s moments at the peak of the coaching cycle where players are elevated above their normal stations because everything is starting to come together - the pieces fit, the players are comfortable etc etc and so that’s where a system can better it, but even the system managers that we’ve had all reach a point where they say to make a proper challenge for the title we need better players. So I get you,

I could have sworn there was someone on here saying effectively that Frank had no choice but to play this way because the quality of the squad was so poor. Again if that wasn’t you I apologise, but that was the main thing I was arguing against.
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Do they say need better players, or better players for their system?
From avb to Frank none of these system coaches have worked for us.
Our best spells have come from coaches who adapt to what they have while trying to shape and tweak the style to get the most of the squad as it changes.
Our current squad is not good enough to win the league, but it's better than what we have seen for several years.
 
Lemonade Money said:
I think Levy had it right with the stadium, in order to be on a level footing with teams above us, who had either achieved their status by continually winning stuff and CL money, or teams that won the money washing lottery.
The problem is, we've got the bling stadium, we've got the expensive seat, but it's ahead of the successful team, and there lies the resentment. I'm trying to think how this gets resolved, and all I can come up with is they should massively slash the price of a basic ST. Get the singing fans onside. Get the atmosphere conductive. Sod the corporate, that's just a status symbol anyway, and if the atmosphere is good, they'll be happy.
Not sure what that would cost the club in terms of revenue, but it could be money well spent.
Or carry on down this toxic road.
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I do think the new stadium plays into the fan mentality. I think it is because we spent so many years on WWII rations because we knew that the stadium had to take priority. Did we perhaps naively believe that the post-stadium go-live world would be so much better than the old world? Did we see the stadium as the platform to be the CL club that operated at a higher financial level than before?

I know I might be guilty of that. It's also what keeps me optimistic in some ways. It's definitely not a reason to become irrational and in a permanent state of being down on my club.

I was thinking earlier what our conversations on this forum would have been a year ago. We could barely put an eleven on the pitch. When we did, they would be heavily fatigued after an hour and lose anyway. We didn't get a semblance of a squad together again until the Utd game in mid February and then we only focused on the EL and got dingdonged in the league anyway right through to May.

Excuse me for enjoying this campaign way more than the last. It's way more interesting.
 
Gutter Boy said:
They need to introduce a rule that all referees should have played the game at something like tier 8 or above, for a decade, before they are eligible to referee. The biggest issue is that none of them have ever been players (in contrast to rugby and cricket refs).
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There just needs to consequences for referees not following the laws of the game.

The game needs a new metric where refs are measured against the laws. It can't be self policed either. It needs to be an independent panel scoring them.
 
DubSpur said:
If the team only plays that way once every 20 games of course they're going to struggle when they get into those positions. Do it every game and they'll get used to being in those positions and get better in them. Again, that doesn't mean we can't upgrade on players.
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These common sense statements get lost in the swirl.
 
SpurMeUp said:
The performance was there to see as well. Was such a superficial lazy analysis by most. What we missed against Brentford and today is more strength in depth. Could see us winning both with potent players coming on - saying we had the holy trinity of Kulu madders and Solanke to bring on for example.

The positives are our build up play which is improving. But we are championship quality up front.
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Yup, really shows how things have gone in North London over the past few years that Eze (who would obviously be a starter for us this season) was merely an unused sub for Legohead at the weekend as he has such a wealth of attacking options at his disposal.

Meanwhile we’re lining up with a couple of youngsters in attack who show flashes of promise but are months / years away from being top 6 starters, as clearly neither are Yamal level prodigies. Alongside a forward whom the actual Champions Of Europe deemed surplus to requirements plus someone with the worst first touch I’ve ever seen from a Brazilian attacker.

In midfield we’ve got a couple more youngsters who are learning the ropes, a pure destroyer who needs an elite passer to complement him (which we haven’t had in the squad for years) and then there’s Bentancur who just hasn’t looked quite the same since that ruptured ACL followed by Matty Cash wrecking his ankle.

Whilst down the road they’ve got Rodri’s successor for Spain alongside the player who’s in line for England captaincy once Kane steps down.

Going to need a miraculously good January window to turn things around until our Holy Trinity return and (after such lengthy layoffs) heaven knows how long they’ll need to get their match sharpness back… and following such horrendous injuries who knows whether Maddison and Kulusevski will ever reach the heights of recent seasons again.
 
SteveAWOL said:
Yup, really shows how things have gone in North London over the past few years that Eze (who would obviously be a starter for us this season) was merely an unused sub for Legohead at the weekend as he has such a wealth of attacking options at his disposal.

Meanwhile we’re lining up with a couple of youngsters in attack who show flashes of promise but are months / years away from being top 6 starters, as clearly neither are Yamal level prodigies. Alongside a forward whom the actual Champions Of Europe deemed surplus to requirements plus someone with the worst first touch I’ve ever seen from a Brazilian attacker.

In midfield we’ve got a couple more youngsters who are learning the ropes, a pure destroyer who needs an elite passer to complement him (which we haven’t had in the squad for years) and then there’s Bentancur who just hasn’t looked quite the same since that ruptured ACL followed by Matty Cash wrecking his ankle.

Whilst down the road they’ve got Rodri’s successor for Spain alongside the player who’s in line for England captaincy once Kane steps down.

Going to need a miraculously good January window to turn things around until our Holy Trinity return and (after such lengthy layoffs) heaven knows how long they’ll need to get their match sharpness back… and following such horrendous injuries who knows whether Maddison and Kulusevski will ever reach the heights of recent seasons again.
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We are in a rebuilding phase post Kane and Son.

I agree with your post, but I would say that Bentancur has been getting back to his solid performances again. The last two games he’s done well. Nothing out of this world, just competent at this level and not making mistakes. Outside of the defense and Bentancur you can’t really say that about anyone else!

Frank needs time. He’s got Bentancur back. He’s got Odobert playing well. He’s even got Tel looking half decent. Baby steps. Need a couple of years of rebuilding.
 
BrentwoodSpur said:
I’ve heard/seen that at full time before (sadly) but I’ve never heard it when his name was announced before the match has started. It all feels like one way now doesn’t it
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Apologies, re-read your previous post and now realise you were referring to the booing at kick-off.

Certainly wasn’t the case for Liverpool match (which was the last home game I attended) but sadly wouldn’t surprise me after seeing how the away section booed him at Brentford.

Perhaps Xavi will suddenly fulfil the potential which Barcelona once tried to hone and we’ll be playing sumptuous football on Wednesday with Simons making Semenyo look like the player our Academy once rejected!
 
Bishop said:
We did it for 76 games under Ange, these same exact things still happened.

It's quality of player that is the difference maker.
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We're doing it with 4 players under 21 that are now getting more experienced and settled. They have improved in that time. We've also 2 new attacking players in Xavi and Kudus.
Two choices, play a proper style of football and let them develop further and learn to play that style or, play the defensive ultra safe and boring brick that Frank has mostly used and hamper their development.
 
Eriktheviking said:
Well, all you moaning clams got your wish, more attacking performance. I suspect they are all happy now?
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And one of our better results at home after putting in an attacking performance for 50% of the match. Had we not dropped deeper and changed to counter attack in the second half then we may even have scored another goal and won the game.
 
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