Yoane Wissa

[Gutter Boy]

That is the point. We also need to be true to our current strategy and be looking in the 21-25 age range so the squad developed together. Solanke is the senior striker and we don't need another one his age. We need a younger guy to replace Richi in my mind if we go down that path.

This is also trying to steer clear of Ange philosophy thinking. We knew that only certain type of number 9s were required for Ange's system. We all said that only Solanke and Richi would work. How do we know that Son, Tel or Johnson won't work for Frank because he plays a different system?

Perhaps we even have more strikers than we think even without Richi.

I think the frustration is that Lankshear feels maybe a year short of being able to step up to that role. Its why id probably persist with Richy

 

[Bedfordspurs]

I think the frustration is that Lankshear feels maybe a year short of being able to step up to that role. Its why id probably persist with Richy

I agree. We don’t know who else we are looking at but I think we have to consider what we have too
Lankshear needs another loan I believe
Then we need qty
I still think Johnson can do what wissa does and he is here already

 

[Gazza Dazzla]

I think the frustration is that Lankshear feels maybe a year short of being able to step up to that role. Its why id probably persist with Richy

I don’t see anything in Lankshear to suggest he’s anywhere near ready for us, even in a years time. Needs a couple of loans where he actually plays (he barely kicked a ball for West Brom in his last loan).

 

[spurspinter1]

The reality is you need to look at who he missed pausing against and when it was
I did say it here when we signed him
It’s an issue when you look at just data without additional context
He was also a well known for not finishing games because of knocks

The necessary additional context to see the bigger picture is what your Evertonian mate reckons is it? That's mighty fortunate! But wait, what if I have a long suffering Everton supporting friend who thinks he's a legend and would jump at the chance to have him back?

If we add our opposing additional contexts together and they cancel each other out, do we then have to go back to the actual stats?

I'm with Muttley on the risk of him breaking down again, I'm sure it is beyond frustrating for player and coaching staff alike. It's there for all to see.

We choose how we frame things, you can say he is well known for not finishing games because of knocks but you like to clutch at ways to keep hold of your original take without budging an inch. Others will say he's well known for getting stuck in, giving it his all and being part of a Spurs team that actually won something.

All that aside, regardless of what us lot reckon, it'll be interesting to see how Frank views it. If he wants to swap Richy for someone he knows and trusts in Wissa then fair enough. It doesn't seem like an audacious show stopper of a move, but what do you expect when we go and get the manager from Brentford. To be clear, i'm not moaning, sometimes the unsexy and sensible option is the way instead of the ballsy hail mary kind of move.

 

[carl]

lets be honest you have no idea what his contract looks like. unless you are his agent or a relative you are guessing like the rest of us

It's actually well known how his contract is structured and that Juve are trying to renegoniate the final year. Do a bit of research fella, its not that hard.

 

[kb 1984]

It's actually well known how his contract is structured and that Juve are trying to renegoniate the final year. Do a bit of research fella, its not that hard.

I wasn't having a go just asking how you knew what his contact was. I doubt the club or player would advertise what he earns or what they are negotiationing. I will do as you suggest & research where Juve have come out & said what he earns & what they are negotiating. My guess is it's all gossip & guess work. I hope I am wrong & you are right if so I will happily apologise.

 

[K.D.D.D.D.Soc]

I don’t see anything in Lankshear to suggest he’s anywhere near ready for us, even in a years time. Needs a couple of loans where he actually plays (he barely kicked a ball for West Brom in his last loan).

Lankshear is not an eye catching player, he's not fast, he doesn't dribble with the ball, he can hold the ball up, he's a goal scorer, he has a natural instinct to be in the right place at the right time. If you farting about out wide you limit his threat, put it in the box first time and he'll score.

 

[Muttley]

I agree. We don’t know who else we are looking at but I think we have to consider what we have too
Lankshear needs another loan I believe
Then we need qty
I still think Johnson can do what wissa does and he is here already

I think we know the outcome with Veliz at this stage. Less sure about Scarlett, but he's potentially heading the Onomah route as well after his U21 potential. Lanks is the current best bet whilst we watch Melia, Feeney, Boast mature a little.

As for your Johnson comment, I'm surprised Tel isn't being thought of the same way. I reckon both these lads can get a lot of goals in a Frank system. They've both proven in different points of their early careers that they have an eye for goal. Then there is Kudus. Our younger contingent of attackers looks like they could have the same impact as Wissa/Mbuemo etc.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

I think we know the outcome with Veliz at this stage. Less sure about Scarlett, but he's potentially heading the Onomah route as well after his U21 potential. Lanks is the current best bet whilst we watch Melia, Feeney, Boast mature a little.

As for your Johnson comment, I'm surprised Tel isn't being thought of the same way. I reckon both these lads can get a lot of goals in a Frank system. They've both proven in different points of their early careers that they have an eye for goal. Then there is Kudus. Our younger contingent of attackers looks like they could have the same impact as Wissa/Mbuemo etc.

Tel is more like a Henry in his style of play IMO
I think our younger crop who aren’t ready have ti be thought about more and more with the buys we plan for

 

[Muttley]

Tel is more like a Henry in his style of play IMO
I think our younger crop who aren’t ready have ti be thought about more and more with the buys we plan for

Yeah, I guess my point is that Frank has a great recent history of exploiting the strengths of forward players for Brentford. He makes the parts fit together. I think Johnson and Tel will always find the back of the net, even Madds as well. Don't know enough about Kudus yet, but hope he's the same. Even if Solanke is point of the spear I still think goals will come from all around. Odobert could be the one at risk unless he too starts finding the net more than his current PL record. For me, Solanke has a big part to play but we need to reduce the dependency on Son and Richi massively in the new season. We also need to find the right role for Kulu in the new setup. Rotation will be key.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Yeah, I guess my point is that Frank has a great recent history of exploiting the strengths of forward players for Brentford. He makes the parts fit together. I think Johnson and Tel will always find the back of the net, even Madds as well. Don't know enough about Kudus yet, but hope he's the same. Even if Solanke is point of the spear I still think goals will come from all around. Odobert could be the one at risk unless he too starts finding the net more than his current PL record. For me, Solanke has a big part to play but we need to reduce the dependency on Son and Richi massively in the new season. We also need to find the right role for Kulu in the new setup. Rotation will be key.

I think … just a gut feel … that Odebert won’t make it here
He will be one who makes another move to step up

 

[Somerset Spurs]

I think … just a gut feel … that Odebert won’t make it here
He will be one who makes another move to step up

I agree

 

[Bedfordspurs]

I agree

Great minds
I do rate him
I think there is a real player there but I don’t see him getting enough game time
Key is he is young

 

[Bishop]

Great minds
I do rate him
I think there is a real player there but I don’t see him getting enough game time
Key is he is young

I'm not so sure, you think Two will get games ahead of him. I can see them sharing the role. They have slightly different strengths, I don't see Tel as someone who is going to claim that starting role for himself.

 

[carl]

I wasn't having a go just asking how you knew what his contact was. I doubt the club or player would advertise what he earns or what they are negotiationing. I will do as you suggest & research where Juve have come out & said what he earns & what they are negotiating. My guess is it's all gossip & guess work. I hope I am wrong & you are right if so I will happily apologise.

Obviously it could all be flimflam but there's lots of reports that Juve would rather sell him than pay him the inflated wages for the final year of his contract. My brother in law is a massive Juve fan so I hear bits from him, but like you say none of us actually know. I've just seen a lot of articles saying the same thing

 

[Bedfordspurs]

I'm not so sure, you think Two will get games ahead of him. I can see them sharing the role. They have slightly different strengths, I don't see Tel as someone who is going to claim that starting role for himself.

A lot depends on what we do with son and Moore this summer
We now have options on the right and IMO Odobert has never looked as comfortable there

 

[Gutter Boy]

Yeah, I guess my point is that Frank has a great recent history of exploiting the strengths of forward players for Brentford. He makes the parts fit together. I think Johnson and Tel will always find the back of the net, even Madds as well. Don't know enough about Kudus yet, but hope he's the same. Even if Solanke is point of the spear I still think goals will come from all around. Odobert could be the one at risk unless he too starts finding the net more than his current PL record. For me, Solanke has a big part to play but we need to reduce the dependency on Son and Richi massively in the new season. We also need to find the right role for Kulu in the new setup. Rotation will be key.

Tel and Johnson are goalscoring wide forwards. Kudus and Odobert are creative ones. I think we've landed on a good balance across the 4 of them

 

[Muttley]

I think … just a gut feel … that Odebert won’t make it here
He will be one who makes another move to step up

Yep I'm guilty of not seeing enough of him yet to be fair. You could be right.

What I'd also say is that he joined too late to make the club trained bucket. He'll be competing with the association trained and List A bunch. That will make it even harder for him as we improve.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Yep I'm guilty of not seeing enough of him yet to be fair. You could be right.

What I'd also say is that he joined too late to make the club trained bucket. He'll be competing with the association trained and List A bunch. That will make it even harder for him as we improve.

That club trained is huge IMO going forward
From what I could work out earlier today…
Pool have 2 players who qualify now
Arsenal 2 (saka and saliba)
Saudi Sportswashing Machine no one
Us… one player
City… hard to know who they will sell and keep but have a few for sure
Chelsea… I don’t as I didn’t get that far
But it shows how big a problem it’s going to be for Europe

 

[RunTMC]

That club trained is huge IMO going forward
From what I could work out earlier today…
Pool have 2 players who qualify now
Arsenal 2 (saka and saliba)
Saudi Sportswashing Machine no one
Us… one player
City… hard to know who they will sell and keep but have a few for sure
Chelsea… I don’t as I didn’t get that far
But it shows how big a problem it’s going to be for Europe

You should try asking ChatGPT to do the Chelsea one for you. I just did it for our squad and it looked broadly correct. But haven’t double checked though