Welcome Ange: To Dare is to Didgeridoo

[monkeybarry]

@glorygloryeze
@Grays_1890

Happy to elaborate.

He came across as not being serious. It sounded like the kind of interview I'd hear from a Lge 2 manager that had just caused an upset.

There was a complete dismissal of the being 3-0 up and cruising, then it collapsing. Just more of the "that's how we play mate", "I don't make changes".

I was left feeling that results are secondary for him. Of course he wants to win, but if he can't win playing "his way", then he doesn't care, as long as there was a bit of fun to be had. If it had gone 3-3 and we'd lost on pens, I don't get the impression he'd have been that bothered that we didn't manage the game and see it out; I got the impression it would have been "yeah, we lost mate. But we lost playing our way mate. But it was entertaining." Rather than get 3-0 up playing "our way", and when it goes 3-1 make tweaks to manage the game, to manage the emotion - that's both management and Management.

You can't do that at this level. You can't be blindly wedded to a certain tactic and just expect to beat the opposition - it's disrespectful.

It left me seriously infuriated and annoyed, and confirmed that his management style is little more than roulette. That works in inferior leagues. It doesn't work at the top. No one has made it work at the top - I see nothing to suggest Ange is some kind of football genius that will change that.

He's Bielsa with an Aussie accent. And was the antidote we needed post Mourinho and Conte - it has been a lot of fun, and has brought that back to the club; but the football isn't sustainable and won't achieve anything more than mid table and a cup run if luck is on our side.

 

[glorygloryeze]

Not sure he would need to though or feel the need to, I am sure we would all be singing his name in rejoice at the achievement

Let's hope we get to find out for sure!

 

[glorygloryeze]

@glorygloryeze
@Grays_1890

Happy to elaborate.

He came across as not being serious. It sounded like the kind of interview I'd hear from a Lge 2 manager that had just caused an upset.

There was a complete dismissal of the being 3-0 up and cruising, then it collapsing. Just more of the "that's how we play mate", "I don't make changes".

I was left feeling that results are secondary for him. Of course he wants to win, but if he can't win playing "his way", then he doesn't care, as long as there was a bit of fun to be had. If it had gone 3-3 and we'd lost on pens, I don't get the impression he'd have been that bothered that we didn't manage the game and see it out; I got the impression it would have been "yeah, we lost mate. But we lost playing our way mate. But it was entertaining." Rather than get 3-0 up playing "our way", and when it goes 3-1 make tweaks to manage the game, to manage the emotion - that's both management and Management.

You can't do that at this level. You can't be blindly wedded to a certain tactic and just expect to beat the opposition - it's disrespectful.

It left me seriously infuriated and annoyed, and confirmed that his management style is little more than roulette. That works in inferior leagues. It doesn't work at the top. No one has made it work at the top - I see nothing to suggest Ange is some kind of football genius that will change that.

He's Bielsa with an Aussie accent. And was the antidote we needed post Mourinho and Conte - it has been a lot of fun, and has brought that back to the club; but the football isn't sustainable and won't achieve anything more than mid table and a cup run if luck is on our side.

I want to try and disagree with you...but....

 

[monkeybarry]

I want to try and disagree with you...but....

I echo that.

 

[Grays_1890]

@glorygloryeze
@Grays_1890

Happy to elaborate.

He came across as not being serious. It sounded like the kind of interview I'd hear from a Lge 2 manager that had just caused an upset.

There was a complete dismissal of the being 3-0 up and cruising, then it collapsing. Just more of the "that's how we play mate", "I don't make changes".

I was left feeling that results are secondary for him. Of course he wants to win, but if he can't win playing "his way", then he doesn't care, as long as there was a bit of fun to be had. If it had gone 3-3 and we'd lost on pens, I don't get the impression he'd have been that bothered that we didn't manage the game and see it out; I got the impression it would have been "yeah, we lost mate. But we lost playing our way mate. But it was entertaining." Rather than get 3-0 up playing "our way", and when it goes 3-1 make tweaks to manage the game, to manage the emotion - that's both management and Management.

You can't do that at this level. You can't be blindly wedded to a certain tactic and just expect to beat the opposition - it's disrespectful.

It left me seriously infuriated and annoyed, and confirmed that his management style is little more than roulette. That works in inferior leagues. It doesn't work at the top. No one has made it work at the top - I see nothing to suggest Ange is some kind of football genius that will change that.

He's Bielsa with an Aussie accent. And was the antidote we needed post Mourinho and Conte - it has been a lot of fun, and has brought that back to the club; but the football isn't sustainable and won't achieve anything more than mid table and a cup run if luck is on our side.

With all due respect I think you are validating bias because I have seen far worse interviews by PL and CL managers. Pep and Jose have provided much worse, Pep when he first came here was often giving it childish like interviews, were a couple of famous BBC ones. So not sure that its as LG2 as you are making out.

And in fairness he is clearly on the same wavelength with the interviewer and they have a laugh and a joke about the interview. I thought it was genuinely funny, not spiky, respectful and at the end it was clear the interviewer enjoyed it.

I don't think we need robots that act a way people seem to have in their head about certain things, I don't buy the same when people moan about his hands in his pockets because I have seen ranters and ravers be alot less successful too.

Not a dig by any stretch here mate, but given the bolded It reads like you have more issue with the style than the interview TBH

 

[DeanoAustin]

Also I don't think I have ever seen a manager divide so much, even when we win.

Despite the mistakes I honestly thought we were comfortable yesterday, we buried Southampton 5-0 in a half and yesterday were scintillating just after the break.

Deciding the enjoy the journey for better or worse has held me in good stead this season, I am enjoying it TBH

I look at my posts on him - they're almost schizophrenic. He drives me nuts when I see how we play. But, f**k me, I come away entertained and I certainly come away having had my emotions given a good old rattle. It's mad but it's wonderful and imagine, just imagine if it was successful in terms of silverware for us.

 

[Grays_1890]

I look at my posts on him - they're almost schizophrenic. He drives me nuts when I see how we play. But, f**k me, I come away entertained and I certainly come away having had my emotions given a good old rattle. It's mad but it's wonderful and imagine, just imagine if it was successful in terms of silverware for us.

Yeah same to an extent

For me I bought into his interview yesterday about the youngsters playing with bravery and taking it to the opposition, yes we made it hard for ourselves BUT we were 3 nil up so what he said about having a go and being proud resonated with me given the situation. And look we are through to a cup SF beating City and United so there is a sense of pride in that so far. Nice to see him look proud and happy with those that helped us get there TBH

 

[monkeybarry]

With all due respect I think you are validating bias because I have seen far worse interviews by PL and CL managers. Pep and Jose have provided much worse, Pep when he first came here was often giving it childish like interviews, were a couple of famous BBC ones. So not sure that its as LG2 as you are making out.

And in fairness he is clearly on the same wavelength with the interviewer and they have a laugh and a joke about the interview. I thought it was genuinely funny, not spiky, respectful and at the end it was clear the interviewer enjoyed it.

I don't think we need robots that act a way people seem to have in their head about certain things, I don't buy the same when people moan about his hands in his pockets because I have seen ranters and ravers be alot less successful too.

Not a dig by any stretch here mate, but given the bolded It reads like you have more issue with the style than the interview TBH

I have no issues with his style at all; that's an odd thing to have an issue about.

As for confirmation bias - again, no. I'd quite like be in the "I still believe in this" camp. But very little that I am seeing or hearing is giving anything to go that way, and plenty is (has) pushed me the other way. I see patterns and consistency - but not good ones.

I'd still greatly love to be wrong. But I doubt I will be.

 

[Grays_1890]

I have no issues with his style at all; that's an odd thing to have an issue about.

As for confirmation bias - again, no. I'd quite like be in the "I still believe in this" camp. But very little that I am seeing or hearing is giving anything to go that way, and plenty is (has) pushed me the other way. I see patterns and consistency - but not good ones.

I'd still greatly love to be wrong. But I doubt I will be.

Cool but there is very little there about the interview and lot about the system and style, or at least how I read it

As I said in the other post, he looked a genuinely happy manager and expressed pride in the players who did well for him last night including the youth, I enjoyed it and was nice to have a light hearted interview for a change

 

[Lemonade Money]

With all due respect I think you are validating bias because I have seen far worse interviews by PL and CL managers. Pep and Jose have provided much worse, Pep when he first came here was often giving it childish like interviews, were a couple of famous BBC ones. So not sure that its as LG2 as you are making out.

And in fairness he is clearly on the same wavelength with the interviewer and they have a laugh and a joke about the interview. I thought it was genuinely funny, not spiky, respectful and at the end it was clear the interviewer enjoyed it.

I don't think we need robots that act a way people seem to have in their head about certain things, I don't buy the same when people moan about his hands in his pockets because I have seen ranters and ravers be alot less successful too.

Not a dig by any stretch here mate, but given the bolded It reads like you have more issue with the style than the interview TBH

Some of Peps interviews acting like a spoilt kid, you'd never guess he's held up as one of the best managers in the game.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Cool but there is very little there about the interview and lot about the system and style, or at least how I read it

As I said in the other post, he looked a genuinely happy manager and expressed pride in the players who did well for him last night including the youth, I enjoyed it and was nice to have a light hearted interview for a change

The style isn’t any we lost control
It was a players mistake
That happens in any style
Happened in conte ball, Jose ball… hell we lost a CL final because of someone mistake

 

[Grays_1890]

The style isn’t any we lost control
It was a players mistake
That happens in any style
Happened in conte ball, Jose ball… hell we lost a CL final because of someone mistake

I agree, I said earlier I think we controlled it and bar two individual mistakes it was comfortable.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

I agree, I said earlier I think we controlled it and bar two individual mistakes it was comfortable.

It was odd backseat that’s the focal point
I’ve heard people talk about the blocks we made on cut backs to eriksen… that’s defending
That’s the job
The fact that a united side with a lot of fresh kegs didn’t get a shot against us on target until the 63rd minute says a lot to me

 

[Grays_1890]

It was odd backseat that’s the focal point
I’ve heard people talk about the blocks we made on cut backs to eriksen… that’s defending
That’s the job
The fact that a united side with a lot of fresh kegs didn’t get a shot against us on target until the 63rd minute says a lot to me

Yeh I find it weird how people see defending as odd.

I think I am a realist in football these days and everyone will have their moments in games, we aint going to tickle Man United belly with them just rolling over. And again, away from last night you look at the teams people moan about us losing too or drawing, they are regularly taking points of the so called big boys now, we ain't the ogres of football people male out TBH

 

[monkeybarry]

Cool but there is very little there about the interview and lot about the system and style, or at least how I read it

As I said in the other post, he looked a genuinely happy manager and expressed pride in the players who did well for him last night including the youth, I enjoyed it and was nice to have a light hearted interview for a change

No, they are all my observations from the interview and how/why that interview infuriated me and moved from on the fence into the "this isn't going to work" camp.
Yesterdays game and interview are not to be viewed in isolation; I am taking this as part of the overall picture.

You'll note I talked very specifically about some contents of the interview - comparing it to a Lge 2 manager win; highlighting a lack of seriousness and concern for events that occured within the game and actions/inactions in relation to the match.

If you don't see anything about the interview, there isn't much I can do about that.

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

The problem I have now is that there are no bands. Some fantastic vocalists, but backing tracks everywhere.

Back in the day, every vocalist have a band of musicians behind them.

Eh?....you're not looking hard enough

 

[Bishop]

It was odd backseat that’s the focal point
I’ve heard people talk about the blocks we made on cut backs to eriksen… that’s defending
That’s the job
The fact that a united side with a lot of fresh kegs didn’t get a shot against us on target until the 63rd minute says a lot to me

What it should say to you is Manchester United are still brick. They have a new coach and a new system but they still have the same players. They are not a good side. Given all the ball and control they had after the 1st goal of theirs I'd a expect a better team (and there are many in the PL) to have done more with it.

The blunders for the goals are what they are. I'm a bit more concerned about our inability to wrestle back control of the game. We mentally collapsed offensively off the back of those two goals. As a team we no longer believed we had control or could regain poise. That might be a personnel thing and something that changes over time but it's something thats going to need to change because given the way we play theres always likely to be a proper chance for the opposition.

 

[Mcfee]

Arne Slot gets it!

“If I look at Tottenham and I come from Holland, but I did watch a lot of Match of the Day, I think about [David] Ginola, Paul Gascoigne, Glenn Hoddle, and more recently [Luka] Modric, Rafael van der Vaart and Gareth Bale,” the Liverpool head coach said. “They’ve always been a certain brand of football for me and have a certain identity. I think Ange Postecoglou gives them that identity back completely. Ange is doing great work over there. I hope this is seen a bit more. I also hope, hope, hope that he wins a trophy – not the League Cup.”


“I’m completely a fan of his team for the Europa League because people always talk about trophies and that it’s so important. For his brand of football and his style, it is so much more important and if he can combine that with winning something that would be so good for football in general because people can stop talking about it’s too attacking or whatever. How on earth can you play too [much] attacking football?”


“I don’t think there are many season-ticket holders in the country that can say they watch so many great games. Maybe the ones at Liverpool!” said Slot.

“I think it is a privilege to be a season ticket holder at Tottenham at the moment because they play such a great style and it’s not like since Ange arrived they don’t win anything any more. Before that they were not a club that won many things, but they always won the sympathy of the fans in Europe, maybe also in England as well, I don’t know, because of the style of play they had. That is something you cannot underestimate.”


“If I think about Spurs, I think about the shirt, the playing style and their identity and certain players. For me, he brought that back completely. I’ve said so many positive things about Ange now that if I say another thing it will seem like I’m his agent!”

 

[Grays_1890]

No, they are all my observations from the interview and how/why that interview infuriated me and moved from on the fence into the "this isn't going to work" camp.
Yesterdays game and interview are not to be viewed in isolation; I am taking this as part of the overall picture.

You'll note I talked very specifically about some contents of the interview - comparing it to a Lge 2 manager win; highlighting a lack of seriousness and concern for events that occured within the game and actions/inactions in relation to the match.

If you don't see anything about the interview, there isn't much I can do about that.

He clearly talked about it but in context of the situation AKA we are down to the bare bones and the GK made individual errors, he then said he was proud of the efforts and desire of those that played to play in such a way (that saw us 3 nil up).

Its not about not seeing it, its about it not being there in this specific interview

 

[Grays_1890]

Arne Slot gets it!

“If I look at Tottenham and I come from Holland, but I did watch a lot of Match of the Day, I think about [David] Ginola, Paul Gascoigne, Glenn Hoddle, and more recently [Luka] Modric, Rafael van der Vaart and Gareth Bale,” the Liverpool head coach said. “They’ve always been a certain brand of football for me and have a certain identity. I think Ange Postecoglou gives them that identity back completely. Ange is doing great work over there. I hope this is seen a bit more. I also hope, hope, hope that he wins a trophy – not the League Cup.”


“I’m completely a fan of his team for the Europa League because people always talk about trophies and that it’s so important. For his brand of football and his style, it is so much more important and if he can combine that with winning something that would be so good for football in general because people can stop talking about it’s too attacking or whatever. How on earth can you play too [much] attacking football?”


“I don’t think there are many season-ticket holders in the country that can say they watch so many great games. Maybe the ones at Liverpool!” said Slot.

“I think it is a privilege to be a season ticket holder at Tottenham at the moment because they play such a great style and it’s not like since Ange arrived they don’t win anything any more. Before that they were not a club that won many things, but they always won the sympathy of the fans in Europe, maybe also in England as well, I don’t know, because of the style of play they had. That is something you cannot underestimate.”


“If I think about Spurs, I think about the shirt, the playing style and their identity and certain players. For me, he brought that back completely. I’ve said so many positive things about Ange now that if I say another thing it will seem like I’m his agent!”

TBF he has 100% nailed what I think about it all.