Welcome Ange: To Dare is to Didgeridoo

[Grays_1890]

I think this is one of the most balanced places to discuss all things Spurs

It is I don't disagree, but not everyone, I am not personally attacking anyone and everyone, I am talking in the context of this subject, some people are clearly lumping everything they don't like on the manager, for weeks some were adding stuff he never said in interviews to do it. Thats all I am saying mate

 

[glorygloryeze]

It is I don't disagree, but not everyone, I am not personally attacking anyone and everyone, I am talking in the context of this subject, some people are clearly lumping everything they don't like on the manager, for weeks some were adding stuff he never said in interviews to do it. Thats all I am saying mate

I think that's a small minority. Agree to disagree matey

 

[paxtonwolf]

Not so clear mate.
Redknapp's first proper game in charge was the Goons away. Remember it like crystal.
He was in place tor Bolton but too late to actually do anything significant. At the time tje midweek derby was considered his first game in charge as I recall. Here's a wikipedia entry about it...anyway, your greater point re:defence getting better over the season.

<>Redknapp was unveiled as Tottenham manager the same day before the home match against Bolton Wanderers and gave the team talk, although the team itself was selected by Clive Allen and Alex Inglethorpe>>

IIRC we were driving down to the match when the news broke that Harry had been appointed, then think it was Liverpool that was his first home match when Pav scored the winner in the rain in stoppage time, they were top atb the time and absolutely battered us but couldn't score a 2nd and we nicked it.
Buzzing all the way home up the motorway

 

[glorygloryeze]

IIRC we were driving down to the match when the news broke that Harry had been appointed, then think it was Liverpool that was his first home match when Pav scored the winner in the rain in stoppage time, they were top atb the time and absolutely battered us but couldn't score a 2nd and we nicked it.
Buzzing all the way home up the motorway

What odds that happ....nah forget it...

 

[Grays_1890]

I think that's a small minority. Agree to disagree matey

Small/some its the same thing, they exist

 

[Grays_1890]

IIRC we were driving down to the match when the news broke that Harry had been appointed, then think it was Liverpool that was his first home match when Pav scored the winner in the rain in stoppage time, they were top atb the time and absolutely battered us but couldn't score a 2nd and we nicked it.
Buzzing all the way home up the motorway

We could blow them out of sight first leg or be blown out, thats how it is, TBH I think its also indicative of the way football is at the minute. NO one can defend anymore IMO. But thats what makes it exciting in its entirety and thats why I am not as so down on us as some are, I watched Liverpool v Saudi Sportswashing Machine and their defending was as bad as ours (before anyone jumps I know its not always and it happens to us more) but literally the level of defending in the game is on the floor, almost universally.

Im excited for the SF, they are an occasion

 

[Bedfordspurs]

I literally said in the match thread before they had scored that it was a very Spurs-esque performance from them so at least we saw that similarly.

I would like to have seen us re-gather ourselves and start passing the ball around well again but we just collapsed. I hear that they made changes and maybe fresh legs helped them to an extent but it wasn't just a case of them suddenly upping their game, we contributed by no longer believing and playing fearfully.

As I say the goals are what they are, goals happen but we need to be able to react better to a team getting a 2nd wind. For a possession side we too often have long spells where we just can't keep the ball. For me that's personnel related, quality and numbers.

We collapsed because we couldn’t change anything IMO
As I said, they had 5 subs and their goals came from the subs
If that doesn’t show the limitations in options Ange had then I don’t know what would

 

[Jordinho]

IIRC we were driving down to the match when the news broke that Harry had been appointed, then think it was Liverpool that was his first home match when Pav scored the winner in the rain in stoppage time, they were top atb the time and absolutely battered us but couldn't score a 2nd and we nicked it.
Buzzing all the way home up the motorway

Beat them once and they'll carry a grudge for a decade. Add last season's events to that and they'll never let it go.

 

[SpurMeUp]

He gets it. Shame a lot of our fans don't:



“If I look at Tottenham and I come from Holland, but I did watch a lot of Match of the Day, I think about [David] Ginola, Paul Gascoigne, Glenn Hoddle, and more recently [Luka] Modric, Rafael van der Vaart and Gareth Bale,” the Liverpool head coach said.

“They’ve always been a certain brand of football for me and have a certain identity. I think Ange Postecoglou gives them that identity back completely. Ange is doing great work over there. I hope this is seen a bit more. I also hope, hope, hope that he wins a trophy – not the League Cup.

“I’m completely a fan of his team for the Europa League because people always talk about trophies and that it’s so important. For his brand of football and his style, it is so much more important and if he can combine that with winning something that would be so good for football in general because people can stop talking about it’s too attacking or whatever. How on earth can you play too [much] attacking football?”

 

[glasgowspur]

Such a great post. There is definitely a higher plateau for this team if the manager makes the adjustments you talk about.

It feels like Ange doesn't represent quite a few of us in this over emphasis on entertaining football at all costs.

Was I not entertained. Nope, I was angry and disappointed in him for a lot of that second half. I'm also agreeing with your point that the recklessness will probably manifest itself in the weekend game. The boys will have had more taken out of them than they should have last night.

Honestly, I was more annoyed at the ref than I was about ange or Forster.
Fudging sick of these clams.
Ange is doing what he does, if we don't like tough.
Forster had a bad night and fudged up, it happens, a keeper is the last man, his mistakes are amplified but he has bailed us out a few times.
Refs and officials "fudge up" every single week and don't seem to have any issue about it.

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

Sounds like he could be a supporter

........just not our manager though

 

[glasgowspur]

Arne Slot gets it!

“If I look at Tottenham and I come from Holland, but I did watch a lot of Match of the Day, I think about [David] Ginola, Paul Gascoigne, Glenn Hoddle, and more recently [Luka] Modric, Rafael van der Vaart and Gareth Bale,” the Liverpool head coach said. “They’ve always been a certain brand of football for me and have a certain identity. I think Ange Postecoglou gives them that identity back completely. Ange is doing great work over there. I hope this is seen a bit more. I also hope, hope, hope that he wins a trophy – not the League Cup.”


“I’m completely a fan of his team for the Europa League because people always talk about trophies and that it’s so important. For his brand of football and his style, it is so much more important and if he can combine that with winning something that would be so good for football in general because people can stop talking about it’s too attacking or whatever. How on earth can you play too [much] attacking football?”


“I don’t think there are many season-ticket holders in the country that can say they watch so many great games. Maybe the ones at Liverpool!” said Slot.

“I think it is a privilege to be a season ticket holder at Tottenham at the moment because they play such a great style and it’s not like since Ange arrived they don’t win anything any more. Before that they were not a club that won many things, but they always won the sympathy of the fans in Europe, maybe also in England as well, I don’t know, because of the style of play they had. That is something you cannot underestimate.”


“If I think about Spurs, I think about the shirt, the playing style and their identity and certain players. For me, he brought that back completely. I’ve said so many positive things about Ange now that if I say another thing it will seem like I’m his agent!”

Only thing I'd argue with there is that other English fans must love us, that's not my experience.
I'm it's different in Europe, but not in England.

 

[Mikey10]

It is funny, when our own fans complain about us winning. Slot - who many seem to think is the answer - gets it. He can see the wood for the trees, unlike a lot of our supporters.


Slot believes Spurs were unfortunate not to beat United by a bigger margin in their quarter-final and questioned how Postecoglou can be considered under pressure at a club that is not synonymous with silverware. “I don’t think there are many season-ticket holders in the country that can say they watch so many great games. Maybe the ones at Liverpool!” said Slot.

“I think it is a privilege to be a season ticket holder at Tottenham at the moment because they play such a great style and it’s not like since Ange arrived they don’t win anything any more. Before that they were not a club that won many things, but they always won the sympathy of the fans in Europe, maybe also in England as well, I don’t know, because of the style of play they had. That is something you cannot underestimate.

“If I think about Spurs, I think about the shirt, the playing style and their identity and certain players. For me, he brought that back completely. I’ve said so many positive things about Ange now that if I say another thing it will seem like I’m his agent!”

We’re great for the neutrals to watch, allegedly.

 

[afsoc4life]

It is Thierry Henry but I agree with the below

 

[Baleforce]

Only thing I'd argue with there is that other English fans must love us, that's not my experience.
I'm it's different in Europe, but not in England.

Even some Spurs fans hate us, every one else certainly does.

 

[SpurMeUp]

It is Thierry Henry but I agree with the below

I don’t get why more managers don’t do what Ferguson did and either put up a coach to speak or just bang away the nonsense and move on quickly.

All the sniping and zhit wears you down. Even your own fans are undermining. How can you build and develop something when fans are eroding your authority and any club belief?

 

[Raziel]

@glorygloryeze
@Grays_1890

Happy to elaborate.

He came across as not being serious. It sounded like the kind of interview I'd hear from a Lge 2 manager that had just caused an upset.

There was a complete dismissal of the being 3-0 up and cruising, then it collapsing. Just more of the "that's how we play mate", "I don't make changes".

I was left feeling that results are secondary for him. Of course he wants to win, but if he can't win playing "his way", then he doesn't care, as long as there was a bit of fun to be had. If it had gone 3-3 and we'd lost on pens, I don't get the impression he'd have been that bothered that we didn't manage the game and see it out; I got the impression it would have been "yeah, we lost mate. But we lost playing our way mate. But it was entertaining." Rather than get 3-0 up playing "our way", and when it goes 3-1 make tweaks to manage the game, to manage the emotion - that's both management and Management.

You can't do that at this level. You can't be blindly wedded to a certain tactic and just expect to beat the opposition - it's disrespectful.

It left me seriously infuriated and annoyed, and confirmed that his management style is little more than roulette. That works in inferior leagues. It doesn't work at the top. No one has made it work at the top - I see nothing to suggest Ange is some kind of football genius that will change that.

He's Bielsa with an Aussie accent. And was the antidote we needed post Mourinho and Conte - it has been a lot of fun, and has brought that back to the club; but the football isn't sustainable and won't achieve anything more than mid table and a cup run if luck is on our side.

Did you listen to the full interview? serious question? Because later in the interview he's clear, they will review the game, they will look at the mistakes, they have to be better.

And it's fudging amazing you can come to the conclusion that it's roulette
- Roulette beat City twice including 4-0 at their home?
- Roulette beat United twice including 3-0 at their home
- Roulette beat Villa & West Ham 4-1
- Roulette has the 2nd highest GD in the league?

fudge, where has roulette been all my life? I for the fudging life of me cannot remember beating the league champions and United twice in the same first half of a season.

 

[thfcsteff]

IIRC we were driving down to the match when the news broke that Harry had been appointed, then think it was Liverpool that was his first home match when Pav scored the winner in the rain in stoppage time, they were top atb the time and absolutely battered us but couldn't score a 2nd and we nicked it.
Buzzing all the way home up the motorway

Indeed. It was a great few days wasn't it? On the day of the derby at theirs, I had tea with Slayer's Tom Araya at our hotel and tried to explain why games against the filth were the pinnacle of life (he was sneaking a puff of weed or few, so i think his sleepy grin was influenced by that as opposed to my passionate explanations and growing bile at the night ahead's opponents). I then proceeded to meet mates, stopping enroute for a couple of whiskeys. I then had a pint or two. Then a couple inside. At 4-2 down my mates wanted to leave and (with a buzz on) I loudly proclaimed that 'we are Tottenham and we NEVER leave before the end, fudge those gooner clams, we stay til the end'...I can tell you that when Azza knocked in the rebound, I went about as mental as I have ever at a match (cup finals included!), turned to the upper deck of filth and translated all my emotions with a deft display of sign language plus audio for those with hearing. As we tumbled out of the ground laughing and singing, some goons said we were sad fgor being so happy and still bottom of the league, to which I told them we would rise but that we had fudged any possible ambitions they might have for the title! I believe I was a little sharper in tone!!!! GLORIOUS night...and yes, remember that Liverpool game so well, as Keano ran us ragged for 70 mins, he was sadly brilliant, and it was only when they subbed him off that we started to get a whiff. I believe this was the 'run about a bit' match for Pav. Underserved but excellent win which rounded off a great week.

 

[Bishop]

Did you listen to the full interview? serious question? Because later in the interview he's clear, they will review the game, they will look at the mistakes, they have to be better.

And it's fudging amazing you can come to the conclusion that it's roulette
- Roulette beat City twice including 4-0 at their home?
- Roulette beat United twice including 3-0 at their home
- Roulette beat Villa & West Ham 4-1
- Roulette has the 2nd highest GD in the league?

fudge, where has roulette been all my life? I for the fudging life of me cannot remember beating the league champions and United twice in the same first half of a season.

You're a bit too concerned with playing the name and not the team. United have been dog brick for 2 seasons now. They do have a new manager but he's barely been there any time and their squad is still brick. Beating them 10 times in one seasonal and it still won't mean a great deal in the grand scheme of things.

City somewhat likewise they've been awful form for quite a while now. So bad they flipping lost to United at home in their last match.

The good results have been good, the bad results have been bad. That's kind of how it works, you can't pick and choose which matches matter. They all do at the end of the day equally no matter the opponent, in a league format at least.

 

[thfcsteff]

Yeah, let's just forget how we can improve as a team, let's just forget the downward/mid-table form for a year now and let's just bury our heads in the sands that we are seeing the same frailties again and again.
Because, of course, we can't play the mighty Chelsea or Brighton every week eh? We'll just play Crystal Palace or Ipswich instead, we should be able to handle that...and being 2 or 3 goals up and being able to manage our energy etc because we've got an easy game on Sunday vs Liverpool...

Brighton was a terrible second-half, players switched off. No argument. Chelsea? A combination of injuries, meeting a side with what, 400 million or so on the pitch and bench, plus two brainfart mistakes much like Forster yesterday, which in themselves are as much about fatigue as anything else. Of our other defeats this season, every one bar Palace have been down to single errors and an inability to take chances (I consider Palace a poor performance just like second-half at Brighton).

BTW, what did you think we were trying to do at 3-0 up yesterday?