Welcome Ange: To Dare is to Didgeridoo

[Danishfurniturelover]

You too think progressing in the cups is failure?

Do you even watch us?

How absolutely awful we are. Throwing away 2 goal lead at Brighton. Home matches against Palace and Ipswich who had not won in the league until then.

The football is abysmal and we are the worst I have ever seen defensively and I have seen some brick over the years.

The manager is a joke and your only defending him because of the whole links to Japan thing.

I would not care if the next manager was Japanese or African or Chinese if they were some way competent and understood football.

All I want is a good team. We're not getting that with Ange because he is a fudging imbecile.

 

[JerusalemMan]

That approach is what made Ange successful so it’s almost what sets him apart from other managers. If he doesn’t play like that, I don’t know what his selling point is.

However, when his ideas have been tested at the highest level, IMO, he’s found out the hard way that they just don’t cut it.

I don't think they've been properly tested over a sustained period. They've been stress-tested in outlandish circumstances for a while. But not long enough under 'typical' circumstances to say they don't cut it

 

[tommysvr]

Do you even watch us?

How absolutely awful we are. Throwing away 2 goal lead at Brighton. Home matches against Palace and Ipswich who had not won in the league until then.

The football is abysmal and we are the worst I have ever seen defensively and I have seen some brick over the years.

The manager is a joke and your only defending him because of the whole links to Japan thing.

I would not care if the next manager was Japanese or African or Chinese if they were some way competent and understood football.

All I want is a good team. We're not getting that with Ange because he is a fudging imbecile.

What? You said you agreed with something word for word and I asked you a simple question based on that.

I find your 2nd last line pretty funny, given you went to the effort to create this thread: https://www.glory-glory.co.uk/threads/i-dont-hate-africans-but.12141/

 

[DeanoAustin]

I don't think they've been properly tested over a sustained period. They've been stress-tested in outlandish circumstances for a while. But not long enough under 'typical' circumstances to say they don't cut it

That's a fair enough viewpoint and hopefully you're right. From my perspective, they've been tested in all sorts of circumstances over the past 15 months and when they work it's glorious but it's way too inconsistent. That's been the case in my opinion whether we've had our best team out or had a patched up team. That's why I'm expecting an improvement but not a massive uptick in form as players come back.

 

[braineclipse]

That's a fair enough viewpoint and hopefully you're right. From my perspective, they've been tested in all sorts of circumstances over the past 15 months and when they work it's glorious but it's way too inconsistent. That's been the case in my opinion whether we've had our best team out or had a patched up team. That's why I'm expecting an improvement but not a massive uptick in form as players come back.

For me the second half of last season was disappointing, we never clicked back into gear. But it was also pretty obvious that there were real shortcomings in the squad.

Since then we've added quite a few players. Solanke, Bergvall, Gray, Odobert, Kinsky, Tel and Danso. The squad is looking better and we should thus expect more.

With an improved squad we looked better at the start of the season imo, but still too inconsistent. Since then our squad has improved further, January signings and Gray and Bergvall stepping up.

For me the expectation on Ange should be that with a better squad, assuming the injury crisis can be left in the past, and having had more time with these players he should deliver more consistency in the remainder of the season. More or less click back into gear (like earlier this season) for some games, but also raise our floor performances from earlier this season (prep injuries).

If he fails to do that, again assuming no more ridiculous injury situation, he'd have a fair test of his ability to get performances and results. And I'd be leaning way more towards Ange out at least.

 

[Bullet]

I want it to work for Ange. I need to see a more solid system. If it doesn’t, we should flip him for a
Similar approach manager.


The managers of Brugge Brest Feyenoord Monaco Dortmund PSV all did OK in the CL and might be looking to move to the Prem. I know nothing about them. But there are plenty of humans who will fancy it. Maybe someone like Kompany if he gets the chop.

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

What? You said you agreed with something word for word and I asked you a simple question based on that.

I find your 2nd last line pretty funny, given you went to the effort to create this thread: https://www.glory-glory.co.uk/threads/i-dont-hate-africans-but.12141/

I stand by that thread. I have known people I liked who were or are actually still Australian but because of the football Ange has served up I now hate Australians.

If the next manager is as awful as Ange I will hate everyone as much as I hate him or her.

Can't think anyone will be as bad as Ange though.

 

[tommysvr]

I stand by that thread. I have known people I liked who were or are actually still Australian but because of the football Ange has served up I now hate Australians.

If the next manager is as awful as Ange I will hate everyone as much as I hate him or her.

Can't think anyone will be as bad as Ange though.

That all sounds completely normal

 

[JerusalemMan]

That's a fair enough viewpoint and hopefully you're right. From my perspective, they've been tested in all sorts of circumstances over the past 15 months and when they work it's glorious but it's way too inconsistent. That's been the case in my opinion whether we've had our best team out or had a patched up team. That's why I'm expecting an improvement but not a massive uptick in form as players come back.

I fear you are right, but I obviously hope you're not.

 

[parklane1]

For me the second half of last season was disappointing, we never clicked back into gear. But it was also pretty obvious that there were real shortcomings in the squad.

Since then we've added quite a few players. Solanke, Bergvall, Gray, Odobert, Kinsky, Tel and Danso. The squad is looking better and we should thus expect more.

With an improved squad we looked better at the start of the season imo, but still too inconsistent. Since then our squad has improved further, January signings and Gray and Bergvall stepping up.

For me the expectation on Ange should be that with a better squad, assuming the injury crisis can be left in the past, and having had more time with these players he should deliver more consistency in the remainder of the season. More or less click back into gear (like earlier this season) for some games, but also raise our floor performances from earlier this season (prep injuries).

If he fails to do that, again assuming no more ridiculous injury situation, he'd have a fair test of his ability to get performances and results. And I'd be leaning way more towards Ange out at least.

That sums up my posistion on Ange as well. We have to get out of the habit of changing managers every couple of seasons as it generally does not lead to success. Since Pooch we have been sacking managers hiring another one and then sacking him.

I doubt there are many[if any] fans who are happy with our team at the moment but history shows that giving up on mangers every couple of seasons really does not lead anywhere expect the same turmoil with no stability.

I get it i really do we all want our team to be better but we really need to get some concistancy. We have made some really good signings including especially some VERY talented young players. Lets see how the season ends before we give up [ once again] and start yet another plan.

 

[Muttley]

That sums up my posistion on Ange as well. We have to get out of the habit of changing managers every couple of seasons as it generally does not lead to success. Since Pooch we have been sacking managers hiring another one and then sacking him.

I doubt there are many[if any] fans who are happy with our team at the moment but history shows that giving up on mangers every couple of seasons really does not lead anywhere expect the same turmoil with no stability.

I get it i really do we all want our team to be better but we really need to get some concistancy. We have made some really good signings including especially some VERY talented young players. Lets see how the season ends before we give up [ once again] and start yet another plan.

Something #Braineclipse sort of said earlier as well. It's now taken until the second half of the second season before we can genuinely say that Ange cannot be anything but proprietorial about HIS squad. No more excuses from my perspective. He has quality throughout the squad and solutions everywhere.

That is something that Poch, Jose, Nuno or Conte ever had.

So if we change manager again, then we don't have that. A new manager may only adopt 80% of Ange's squad and want to replace the 20%. Then we're back to the prior position of having that healthy tension with the manager.

I've said many times that Ange's job is to work with the squad he is given. That is the direct remit of any Spurs manager. He has refused to and made his own squad smaller by not selecting some of them. However, we're now past that point.

The way I look at it, I'm willing to look at the period until May and form some opinions then. I'm not against putting another manager in a position where his remit is to make Ange's squad work better. After all, it is a Spurs squad, not just a manager's squad. It should be quicker for Ange to make this squad successful as he has been part of the building process. However, he may fall on his sword for other reasons.

 

[Finney Is Back]

Well that's one of the questions

- First is does this system ever allow you to field a fully fit (or close to) team
- Second, at it's best, can you ever be consistent enough playing like this? the two big concerns is until very recently we hadn't won a single PL game by a 1 goal margin but had lost all but 1, by a one goal margin. Translation? either we can't win tight games, we have to be way better than opposition and/or once we aren't playing well, we have no ability to grind out ugly wins.

I don't agree other teams are "too good", I'd actually say the PL is pretty poor right now (this season), and that why quite a few unfancied teams are in top 8 or so.

What neither United or us do is manage the game properly, so we don't become more defensive when opposition has some momentum, this means (said it before), they are more likely to convert on even 5-10 minute spells of game momentum.

I hope we pick up a few more wins, just don't see how this works long term.

I think the problem is that it is too small a sample size to be considered anything other than a coincidence. Especially as we won our last league game by a single goal margin.

The PL is anything but pretty poor. The reason why unfancied teams are in the top 8 is because the financial power of the PL now means that even the unfancied teams can pay higher wages and transfer fees than all other than the true elite European clubs. The unfancied teams now having very good players only playing one game a week gives them a decent advantage over the clubs in European competition.

I disagree that we don't become more defensive when the opposition has some momentum. I think we've seen lots of games where we have played way more defensive both from the outset and situationally.

If we're not in Europe next season then I have no doubt that we'll have a season like Bournemouth this season (and probably better). Conversely, if Bournemouth end up in the Europa League then I have no doubt they'll have a season like ours this season (perhaps even worse).

 

[Finney Is Back]

We will also never get enough points over a whole season to challenge for anything. The other teams are too good to simply rely on outrunning them.

I think quite a few managers are being given an awakening now with all the injuries, but we're taking it to another level by having almost zero defensive cover when we lose possession.

The only way we will get enough points to challenge for anything is by outrunning the other team. We do not have players as good as the very best teams, outrunning them gives you a chance.

 

[Finney Is Back]

Something #Braineclipse sort of said earlier as well. It's now taken until the second half of the second season before we can genuinely say that Ange cannot be anything but proprietorial about HIS squad. No more excuses from my perspective. He has quality throughout the squad and solutions everywhere.

That is something that Poch, Jose, Nuno or Conte ever had.

So if we change manager again, then we don't have that. A new manager may only adopt 80% of Ange's squad and want to replace the 20%. Then we're back to the prior position of having that healthy tension with the manager.

I've said many times that Ange's job is to work with the squad he is given. That is the direct remit of any Spurs manager. He has refused to and made his own squad smaller by not selecting some of them. However, we're now past that point.

The way I look at it, I'm willing to look at the period until May and form some opinions then. I'm not against putting another manager in a position where his remit is to make Ange's squad work better. After all, it is a Spurs squad, not just a manager's squad. It should be quicker for Ange to make this squad successful as he has been part of the building process. However, he may fall on his sword for other reasons.

I think Ange has been more prepared to work with his whole squad than just any Spurs manager I have seen in recent times.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

I think Ange has been more prepared to work with his whole squad than just any Spurs manager I have seen in recent times.

But Reggie….
He seems to be the player some people want to put on that hill.
No matter what happens with Ange the ground work he has done with so many players here will leave us in a better state than he inherited

 

[Bedfordspurs]

That all sounds completely normal

 

[Muttley]

But Reggie….
He seems to be the player some people want to put on that hill.
No matter what happens with Ange the ground work he has done with so many players here will leave us in a better state than he inherited

But it's the club that gets him the players. That is my point. The churn after 4 windows has made this Ange's squad. He didn't want Reggie or Gio or Japhet or Hojbjerg or Skipp etc and was playing with less than he wanted. But he did want Forster, Werner and Davies. The club has supported his player choices more than any other manager. They will continue to as well.

My post above was about there coming a time in a new manager's tenure when the squad really feels like his own. We are now at that point. We never got to that point with Jose, Nuno and Conte, and even after 5 years we were unable to give Poch a fully stacked squad. We all know the reasons and they were well understood. Even COVID came into that equation.

Ange is well set with this squad.

 

[thfcsteff]

Something #Braineclipse sort of said earlier as well. It's now taken until the second half of the second season before we can genuinely say that Ange cannot be anything but proprietorial about HIS squad. No more excuses from my perspective. He has quality throughout the squad and solutions everywhere.

That is something that Poch, Jose, Nuno or Conte ever had.

So if we change manager again, then we don't have that. A new manager may only adopt 80% of Ange's squad and want to replace the 20%. Then we're back to the prior position of having that healthy tension with the manager.

I've said many times that Ange's job is to work with the squad he is given. That is the direct remit of any Spurs manager. He has refused to and made his own squad smaller by not selecting some of them. However, we're now past that point.

The way I look at it, I'm willing to look at the period until May and form some opinions then. I'm not against putting another manager in a position where his remit is to make Ange's squad work better. After all, it is a Spurs squad, not just a manager's squad. It should be quicker for Ange to make this squad successful as he has been part of the building process. However, he may fall on his sword for other reasons.

I just don't understand this comment mate.
I could name many players that neither Mourinho or Conte used, indeed, they froze them out.

 

[thfcsteff]

I stand by that thread. I have known people I liked who were or are actually still Australian but because of the football Ange has served up I now hate Australians.

If the next manager is as awful as Ange I will hate everyone as much as I hate him or her.

Can't think anyone will be as bad as Ange though.

No you don't.
And no you won't.
You're a floppy-hat wearing, sunglasses-on, paisley shirt hippie with peace, love, understanding and custard running through your soul. This 'hate guy' you bring into the equation sometimes is a flimsey character.
You'd share your last bourbon cream with an Australian if they had nowt else to dip into their tea because underneath the keyboard, you're a lover!

 

[braineclipse]

But it's the club that gets him the players. That is my point. The churn after 4 windows has made this Ange's squad. He didn't want Reggie or Gio or Japhet or Hojbjerg or Skipp etc and was playing with less than he wanted. But he did want Forster, Werner and Davies. The club has supported his player choices more than any other manager. They will continue to as well.

My post above was about there coming a time in a new manager's tenure when the squad really feels like his own. We are now at that point. We never got to that point with Jose, Nuno and Conte, and even after 5 years we were unable to give Poch a fully stacked squad. We all know the reasons and they were well understood. Even COVID came into that equation.

Ange is well set with this squad.

Still holes and weaknesses there as has been much discussed. But it's a squad that should be good enough and big enough to make his system work to at the very least a reasonable degree most of the time. Barring another ridiculous injury situation.

I just don't understand this comment mate.
I could name many players that neither Mourinho or Conte used, indeed, they froze them out.

Almost all managers do.