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Welcome Ange: To Dare is to Didgeridoo

Baleforce said:
I think not qualifying through Europe through league position, at all, let alone not qualifying for the CL, is a major disaster.

He had a good fudging go at getting us relegated this year, no way he's allowed another crack at it.
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Agreed, also if he does similar next season to this and last we will again be in a poor mid season situation replacing him. Get the new man in early in the summer so he has preseason with us.
 
Learn to control games
Stop games becoming basketball matches
Deal with spare man over at the far post
Deal with easy out balls into centre midfield
Find a balance between players pushing up and leaving the back line protected
Stop our defending being a sprint towards our goal every time
Less high percentage chances coughed up
More chances created from open play for ST
Game management
Squad rotation
 
tommysvr said:
Barring a major disaster, he’s got until November/December next season.
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This is exactly why he should be let go in the summer. We cannot go in to next season expecting to appraise the manager a few months in - it'll be his third season and we should be going in to a managers 3rd season expecting big things, not questioning whether or not he's going to do enough to keep his job.
 
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tommysvr said:
Barring a major disaster, he’s got until November/December next season.
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It all hinges on the Europa League for me. If he wins that, then I can see the value in keeping him until the winter and seeing if things improve. If we crash out in the next round or even if we don’t win it and we finish mid table, then we should part ways in the summer IMO. The league campaign has been nowhere near good enough, and I don’t think the injuries can be used as an excuse given that they seem to be at least partly on him and how we play. Sky had a stat to show we had done the most sprints in the league, it’s got to be connected to the amount of injuries we pick up. Even his comment after the game on Sunday worried me. He said “well we’ve got 3-4 players who have played more football than they have ever played in their careers”. Well what about the other 15 players who have been on the treatment table Ange? It’s the definition of cherry picking.
 
Gazza said:
But it’s not turning the tide is it as was suggested.

brick tactics and exposing Ange.
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Depends what you (or someone else) means by turning the tide.
Muttley said:
So if we give Ange these couple of February weeks to get a fit and complete squad back, what would he need to do Mar-May to get fan backing to stay in role for the 25/26 season?

I'm guessing for some of you, you've seen enough already and there's no way back. At the other end of the spectrum there is probably a few of you that will argue that we need to get him the couple of players he needs to complete his squad and let him get on with it next season.

I'm definitely still stuck somewhere in the middle. I'm still feeling that his tactical system may come up short and keep costing us the points that would otherwise eventually get us CL football and cups. That is even with another round of transfers in the summer. I'm not convinced he can keep a squad at prime age healthy either.

Ultimately, I'm looking for Ange to get 4th/5th highest form in the league from Mar to May. I'm also looking for at least semi-final of the EL. However, I will caveat that allowances will be made if he just has bodies on paper but not fully match fit players. That was definitely the case at the weekend.
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I'd want to see us more or less back to our best at least in some games this season. Us clicking properly into gear.

I'd also want to see real signs of consistency. Not necessarily real consistency as in game after game, week after week. But weeding out those worst performances from the pre injury crisis, always "showing up" if that makes sense.
 
billyiddo said:
This is exactly why he should be let go in the summer. We cannot go in to next season expecting to appraise the manager a few months in - it'll be his third season and we should be going in to a managers 3rd season expecting big things, not questioning whether or not he's going to do enough to keep his job.
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I'm still undecided on what I think should happen in the summer. But I agree that there needs to be a solid degree of confidence in him going into next season for him to stay.

Less so for our transfer business as I'm assuming the good work of signing players that should fit in with both Ange and whoever our next manager is whenever that happens.

But more in terms of recruiting a replacement being easier in the summer, giving a new manager a preseason to start and the vibe/feel around the place. Going into a preseason and new season with real uncertainty about the future of the manager is not a good place to be.

He needs to "earn" that relative degree of high confidence from now until the summer for the best decision being him staying imo. Part of that will also be down to how the players see him at that point. If the buy in is high, they're eager to continue working with him that counts for quite a lot. As does the opposite.
 
billyiddo said:
This is exactly why he should be let go in the summer. We cannot go in to next season expecting to appraise the manager a few months in - it'll be his third season and we should be going in to a managers 3rd season expecting big things, not questioning whether or not he's going to do enough to keep his job.
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If we did that, expect the same conversations we've been having all season: 'there's no point in sacking him midway through the season', 'who'd be willing to replace him', 'once the players return from injury, we'll see a different Spurs side', etc. It's a typical escalation of commitment. Once you've invested two seasons and a half waiting for a manager to come good, what's half a season more? And then, maybe he should be given a few more months - not the whole season, of course, but until November or December... unless there's too many injuries to judge, of course.

Rinse. Repeat.
 
braineclipse said:
I'm still undecided on what I think should happen in the summer. But I agree that there needs to be a solid degree of confidence in him going into next season for him to stay.

Less so for our transfer business as I'm assuming the good work of signing players that should fit in with both Ange and whoever our next manager is whenever that happens.

But more in terms of recruiting a replacement being easier in the summer, giving a new manager a preseason to start and the vibe/feel around the place. Going into a preseason and new season with real uncertainty about the future of the manager is not a good place to be.

He needs to "earn" that relative degree of high confidence from now until the summer for the best decision being him staying imo. Part of that will also be down to how the players see him at that point. If the buy in is high, they're eager to continue working with him that counts for quite a lot. As does the opposite.
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It would be good to clear up with Ange that the way he is playing is as much his own self indulgence as it is the Spurs way. He doesn't represent me when I see the goals conceded column. It's 37 goals in 25 games this season including the injury and fatigue months. We now need that tracking to about 1 from this point.

If Ange can achieve this, he'd be in great shape with me. I've always respected how Ange lost 30 goal Kane and scored more goals without him. That was such a big endorsement that there is something solid about where all the goals come from. Even those inconsistent games you and I discuss a lot, they can be OK if we get a draw and move on. With Ange we've tended to lose them.
 
Muttley said:
It would be good to clear up with Ange that the way he is playing is as much his own self indulgence as it is the Spurs way. He doesn't represent me when I see the goals conceded column. It's 37 goals in 25 games this season including the injury and fatigue months. We now need that tracking to about 1 from this point.

If Ange can achieve this, he'd be in great shape with me. I've always respected how Ange lost 30 goal Kane and scored more goals without him. That was such a big endorsement that there is something solid about where all the goals come from. Even those inconsistent games you and I discuss a lot, they can be OK if we get a draw and move on. With Ange we've tended to lose them.
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Goals against was around 1 per game before the injuries struck IIRC. And IIRC the difference our goals against with and without Romero and VdV is rather massive.

Assuming we have a mostly fit squad (normal levels of injuries) for the rest of the season I think around a goal against per game is a fair target to measure him against.
 
braineclipse said:
Goals against was around 1 per game before the injuries struck IIRC. And IIRC the difference our goals against with and without Romero and VdV is rather massive.

Assuming we have a mostly fit squad (normal levels of injuries) for the rest of the season I think around a goal against per game is a fair target to measure him against.
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Needs to be zero
 
Baleforce said:
It’s all about the league position.

I consider playing so many stupid domestic cup games a failure as well.

We’ve been smashed by every half competent team we’ve faced for months, so we won’t be in the Europa League much longer either.

We are a complete mess tactically, we give up more chances in a game than decent sides give up in a month.

He is massively out of his depth and needs to go as soon as possible.
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That post is word for word what I feel.
 
We need to get the replacement in this summer before we have to compete with United for a new manager.

For me, I can't see Ange getting better. Once he gets his players back he will revert to playing the same suicidal, open football; We know that's how he wants to play and it doesn't appear natural to him to coach the team differently.
 
Robspur12 said:
We need to get the replacement in this summer before we have to compete with United for a new manager.

For me, I can't see Ange getting better. Once he gets his players back he will revert to playing the same suicidal, open football; We know that's how he wants to play and it doesn't appear natural to him to coach the team differently.
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That approach is what made Ange successful so it’s almost what sets him apart from other managers. If he doesn’t play like that, I don’t know what his selling point is.

However, when his ideas have been tested at the highest level, IMO, he’s found out the hard way that they just don’t cut it.
 
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