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Ben Thatcher
And would have the final of the ref had done his job
The ref we should be most mad with is Anthony Taylor. He cost us an FA Cup Final at our height in the Poch area. Shocking performance against Jose's Utd.
And would have the final of the ref had done his job
And if my auntie had b ollocks…If it wasn’t for the cheating oil/gas clubs we’d have won a league and cup in the last decade.
And if my auntie had b ollocks…
Revisionism at its best (or worst). How did he cost us? We were totally clueless for the whole second half is what I remember. Nobody to blame but ourselves. It was the turning point of the Poch era imo.The ref we should be most mad with is Anthony Taylor. He cost us an FA Cup Final at our height in the Poch area. Shocking performance against Jose's Utd.
Revisionism at its best (or worst). How did he cost us? We were totally clueless for the whole second half is what I remember. Nobody to blame but ourselves. It was the turning point of the Poch era imo.
Agreed. He cooked his own goose.There was fan pressure for Jose.... but it came much earlier and I don't think anything other than a small proportion of the fanbase wanted him sacked just before a Cup final (something that he has a proven record of excelling in).
Also, it doesn't matter whether or not there were 'obvious factors'. The statement made was that it is not the fans that have led to managers getting sacked, more often than not it’s the impatience of the club hierarchy.
@tommysvr's posts countering that seem to just prove @Jurgen the German's assertions to me?....
Cristian Stellini - obvious (so not the fans)
I think it is pretty clear that he had lost the dressing room/decided he'd had enough too. So yes, not the fans.Antonio Conte - boring, clearly had to go (so not the fans)
Desperation appt which only happened because we didn't do the Conte deal with his demands initially. Always treading water. So not the fans more than just, errr, 'not'!Nuno Espirito Santo - the most toxic environment we've seen (most of the calls were ENIC out as opposed to Nuno out.... I guess you could argue therefore that was the fans, though not exactly giving them what they want.
Jose Mourinho - timing is up for debate, but certainly wasn't without pressure (agreed, so kind of the fans but not at the point he actually went?
Mauricio Pochettino - many thought it was time for change (so not the fans)
Tim Sherwood - almost universally disliked (again, not the fans)
Andre Villas-Boas - out of his depth, last game an awful 5-0 loss at home to Liverpool (so not the fans, though I was thrilled to get rid of that charlitan)
Come on! Many I know saw his shameless behaviour that season as abhorrent. Levy had only ever seen him as a quick-fix and was delighted he had a chance to boot him IMO when he pumped for a new deal once he didn't get the England job right after a Levy death (his mum, no?)Harry Redknapp - loved for most of it but disliked and seen as below Spurs by many (so not the fans)
Juande Ramos - clearly had to go (so not the fans)
Martin Jol - poorly handled, but many thought we'd outgrown him (so not the fans)
Glenn Hoddle - initial promise that went nowhere (so not the fans)
100% fans, the prick should NEVER have been in charge of our parish!!!!!George Graham - never wanted, never liked (definitely the fans)
And there in lies the rubJol was a million percent the fans. For months and months the stands, and pubs, and online, were full of 'he's taken us as far as he can'. Levy read the room.
And there in lies the rub
You thought it was fans
Some don’t
Levy ultimately decided
Fans have a huge impact even if they don’t realise it
There is always a subset of fans who think the incumbent manager should be let go so that's a little besides the point. The argument is was there a groundswell of measurable discontent amongst the fan base that led Levy to make those firing decisions at the time and was he led by that and in the majority of cases in my opinion that was not the case.Levy is always the one that does the actual sacking, although the decision comes from the board. To pretend that the discontent among the fanbase doesn't play a part is somewhat disingenuous. None of them got sacked without weeks and months of fans wanting them gone first.
There is always a subset of fans who think the incumbent manager should be let go so that's a little besides the point. The argument is was there a groundswell of measurable discontent amongst the fan base that led Levy to make those firing decisions at the time and was he led by that and in the majority of cases in my opinion that was not the case.
There's always going to be a section of the fan base that's unhappy. No manager at Tottenham or probably any club is going to have 100% approval ratings 100% of the time.That was not the argument. It’s been lost since I posted. The argument was that there was pressure from the fans for all of those managers. No manager was sacked without at least some section of the fan base being unhappy.
There is always a subset of fans who think the incumbent manager should be let go so that's a little besides the point. The argument is was there a groundswell of measurable discontent amongst the fan base that led Levy to make those firing decisions at the time and was he led by that and in the majority of cases in my opinion that was not the case.
There's always going to be a section of the fan base that's unhappy. No manager at Tottenham or probably any club is going to have 100% approval ratings 100% of the time.
This discussion only makes sense if there was a feeling for the majority or a very vocal large minority asking for a specific managers head.
You mean club football? Nigeria fired Philip Troussier before the 1998 World Cup. Why? Nigeria was cruising through the qualification stages. The NFA wanted a 'better manager'. They went for Bora Milutinović due to his experience of already managing three different nations in a World Cup at that time. What a disgusting decision.Poor form cost managers their jobs.
No manager has been sacked while the form of the team has been good.
There would have obviously been other reasons. That may have added to the decision. But that's what it boiled down to.
I'd say the discontent was considerable at the point of all sackings. It might not be what triggered it, but it would have played a part.
It’s not like Levy hasn’t sacked managers in the past when there has fairly minimal/non-existent fan pressure. Let me put it this way, if Ange finished 8th for two seasons running like Arteta did and we bottled 4th place to Arsenal in the following season, do you really think Levy would stick by Ange like Arsenal did with Arteta?
There are plenty of managers who are sacked despite doing well. Clubs often think a certain manager will take them further, rightly or wrongly. Southampton sacking the guy (I want to say Adkins?) for Poch is one such example. O'Neil at Bournemouth another one who did well but they got rid of him because Iraola become available....Poor form cost managers their jobs.
No manager has been sacked while the form of the team has been good.
There would have obviously been other reasons. That may have added to the decision. But that's what it boiled down to.