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Victimpool FC - Klopp leaving, grown men crying

Up himself for not joining the managerial merry go round. Once you been through enough clubs you'll never be short of job offers.

Or how about if he's so brick hot - joining a massive club an building a legacy for the next 10 years? He won't get sacked if results are delivered. Proving he can comepte with the big ****s and the highest level?

Shouldn't one's managerial career be progressive?
 
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Or how about if he's so brick hot - joining a massive club an building a legacy for the next 10 years? He won't get sacked if restults are deliverd. Proving he can comepte with the big ****s and the highest level?

Shouldn't one's managerial career be progressive?


I wanna ask something - and this was brought about another point - not sure who made it (Think it was about Gerrard not leaving Liver****s) but we always question players/managers loyalties and allegiances etc and when they do stay loyal guess what?

People criticise them for not being ambitious.

Im sorry but I seriously do not fudgein get that.
 
I know. Smacks of the 'big boys' attitude that just because someone like Liverpool snap their fingers he should go running.

He seems to me to be very considered in the choices/moves he takes (on and off the field)

No, he should not just snap his fingers and go running but I would have thought this world class manager who has had nothing but an average first season would show some ambition. Regardless of what you think of Liverpool they are still one of the greatest clubs this country has produced.
 
I wanna ask something - and this was brought about another point - not sure who made it (Think it was about Gerrard not leaving Liver****s) but we always question players/managers loyalties and allegiances etc and when they do stay loyal guess what?

People criticise them for not being ambitious.

Im sorry but I seriously do not fudgein get that.

I've read the above 7 times and still fail to see the question
 
No, he should not just snap his fingers and go running but I would have thought this world class manager who has had nothing but an average first season would show some ambition. Regardless of what you think of Liverpool they are still one of the greatest clubs this country has produced.

I think (only my opinion of course) he is pacing himself properly, walk before he runs kind of thing.

Most posters here have laughed at the idea of him managing Spurs, yet he is ok for Liverpool? I suspect he feels the need to prove himself over time, and take the right opportunity to step up when it arises. Why rush?
 
Or how about if he's so brick hot - joining a massive club an building a legacy for the next 10 years? He won't get sacked if results are delivered. Proving he can comepte with the big ****s and the highest level?

Shouldn't one's managerial career be progressive?

Personally I dont think anyone short of a Cappello type manager stands a chance at Liverpool, I wouldnt be surprised if there were people in football who feel the same.
 
I've read the above 7 times and still fail to see the question

haha i realised that after I posted it. But thanks for reading it seven times. I guess it was just more a point as to how people seem to contradict themselves.

Which and what is it do you want? Players/managers who are loyal or players/managers who are ambitious and thus not loyal?

Were we not criticising Modric not only a year ago for wanting to leave? Martinez last season was loyal to Wigan, and i commend him for that. villa are a much bigger club with a larger fan base and more potential than Wigan not to mention he would have been on an increased salary.
 
Or how about if he's so brick hot - joining a massive club an building a legacy for the next 10 years? He won't get sacked if results are delivered. Proving he can comepte with the big ****s and the highest level?

Shouldn't one's managerial career be progressive?

Maybe he feels that Liverpool isn't the right club at the right time for him? He's lucky to even be managing in the PL considering how he fared early on. Most would probably jump at the chance, despite Liverpool not being the best prospect right now. If it doesn't work out you get a nice compensation and will have no problem finding another club. There's no loyalty anymore, just money.
 
Personally I dont think anyone short of a Cappello type manager stands a chance at Liverpool, I wouldnt be surprised if there were people in football who feel the same.


He can either stay at Swansea and earn plaudits for them staying in the PL next season.


Or he could go to Liverpool and earn Plaudits for the getting in the top 4 spots.


Those are the objectives he would be set by the owners of the clubs, seems a no-brainer to me which one is far more achievable.
 
Personally I dont think anyone short of a Cappello type manager stands a chance at Liverpool, I wouldnt be surprised if there were people in football who feel the same.

I've thought Capello would be spot on for Liverpool for a few months now, was hoping noone else would realise and they'd bring back Rafa or something. He'd make them so hard to beat, say what you want about Capello at international level but his club record is second to none. Don't think he'd be winning titles there, they're too far off the pace and they don't have $1bn to spend like City, but he'd have them worrying us for sure.
 
Capello looks likely to join Chelsea at the moment. That would be interesting as he certainly wouldn't take any brick from the older players.
 
They'd all respect him though so would accept his decisions.

I think Chelsea could do better if I'm honest (despite what I just wrote about Pool above!), this season being out of the CL places is just a blip, player for player they should be there. I think Roman would hate the style of football as well, wasn't that part of the reason he got rid of Ancelotti, he felt it was too negative or something?
 
He can either stay at Swansea and earn plaudits for them staying in the PL next season.


Or he could go to Liverpool and earn Plaudits for the getting in the top 4 spots.


Those are the objectives he would be set by the owners of the clubs, seems a no-brainer to me which one is far more achievable.

Assume you mean the former?

Unless you have the CV and gravitas of someone like Capello you are doomed at Liverpool IMHO, like Woy someone like Martinez/Rodgers would be on a hiding to nothing (despite possibly being just what they need)
 
Which and what is it do you want? Players/managers who are loyal or players/managers who are ambitious and thus not loyal?

Loyalty is a myth nowadays, imv - only a very limited group of players/managers share such beliefs.

Mercenaries the lot of them - although players are far more 'ruthless' considering their effective career is roughly a decade whereas managers can stretch that for many, many years.

I would also imagine a young manager would like to first build his CV for the second part of his career (and big jobs)
 
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Assume you mean the former?

Unless you have the CV and gravitas of someone like Capello you are doomed at Liverpool IMHO, like Woy someone like Martinez/Rodgers would be on a hiding to nothing (despite possibly being just what they need)

Not true

If results are being delivered (something which Roy failed to do) - there is no way in hell they'd boot him out based on his CV!

It was the same for Kenny who lived off his past reputaion for around 12 months.
 
They'd all respect him though so would accept his decisions.

I think Chelsea could do better if I'm honest (despite what I just wrote about Pool above!), this season being out of the CL places is just a blip, player for player they should be there. I think Roman would hate the style of football as well, wasn't that part of the reason he got rid of Ancelotti, he felt it was too negative or something?

Capello would return them to Mourinho like grinding out games and physical domination, given their squad its probably just what they need.

The result would likely be a league title, or at least very close contention.

Then Abramovic would demand silky football and the cycle of sacking will start again
 
Rodgers is absolutely right to turn down the Liverpool job IMO, and any young manager looking to build their reputation is right to turn it down. He will know the expectations if he takes that job. He knows the Liverpool owners expect a top 4 finish pretty quickly. He knows he won't be able to compete with Man United, Emirates Marketing Project and Chelsea in the transfer market. He knows Spurs and Arsenal are already better and will keep improving. He knows Liverpool aren't made of money. Therefore he knows the chances of success relative to what Liverpool want are actually pretty slim. As a young manager forging his reputation, he would go to Liverpool, more than likely not get further than 5th or 6th unless he has a truly outstanding season, and everyone will look at him as not being good enough in the first place. But it will be gonads, and Rodgers knows that. He's very smart. It's not about not believing in himself enough, it's about being realistic about football and knowing that no matter how good he is, Liverpool probably will need an absolutely exceptional season to make 4th. Why would he want to put that pressure on himself? Why not stay at Swansea and build his repuation, and wait for the right job. I actually think for Rodgers, Spurs would be the right job. The expectations would be slightly lower and therefore we wouldn't damage his reputation as much as the near inevitable failure at Liverpool would.

Same reason Martinez turned down Villa. It was a little bit out of loyalty to Whelan, but also because he knows it isn't the right move. He knows they are slashing their wage bill and he wouldn't be able to take them much beyond mid-table. Therefore it's tough to achieve anything that would be perceived as success. If a club offers him the opportunity to prove himself, without unrealistic expectations, he would be off like a shot. Again, I think Spurs would suit Martinez in that way.

Liverpool really should end up with Capello or someone of that ilk. Somene that can satisfy the fans, and also has had enough success in the career that has already been built up to not need to succeed at Liverpool to progress. Capello would still probably only achieve 4th but he can walk away if he only gets 6th and say 'well I'm still a fudging good manager anyway, I've proved it at the top level before'. Rodgers couldn't, but it's about making the right career move. And he knows that. He's clever. He's waiting for us!
 
Loyalty is a myth nowadays, imv - only a very limited group of players/manager share such beliefs.

Mercenaries the lot of them - although player are far more 'ruthless' considering their effective career is roughly a decade whereas managers can stretch that for many, many years.

I would also imagine a young manager would like to build his CV for the second part of his career (and big jobs)

Ofcourse he wants to - but if he continues to improve at Swansea he will ofcourse get a bigger job. look at Martinez, he is being touted for jobs still even after rejecting the Villa job.

I dont think we can just tarnish every player/manager with the whole "loyalty is a myth". We cant criticise players for staying loyal but then become paranoid about their motives.

Rodgers said it himself, Swansea gave him an opportunity (when he was crap at Reading) and he is now repaying the faith to the owners, the fans and the players. He is also clever, Liverscum is a poisoned chalice, the fans want Benny Hill back and wont settle till they get him back - theyre suckin his **** as we speak.
 
Not true

If results are being delivered (something which Roy failed to do) - there is no way in hell they'd boot him out based on his CV!

It was the same for Kenny who lived of his past reputaion for around 12 months.

Rodgers, Martinez, Hodgson - wouldnt (or were not) be given the chance in the first place.

Roy was never accepted, never supported (both actually and financially) and never had any authority.

He was lame duck as soon as he started, if you want to know why just look at RAWK and see the expectation/attitude that permeates the fans and club.

Rodgers/Martiez would be the same. I actually think either could do a really good job and be just what they need, but the poisonous nature of the club would never let it happen.

Roys results over his year were better than Kennys (just, and Kenny spent ?ú100m+) yet Roy was castigated and Kenny was celebrated. Just as the handling of the Suarez debacle was celebrated in Liverpool (but no where else).

They are a bonkers club, not what either Rodgers or Martinez need to succeed.
 
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