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Wilheldiva said:
this was always going to be the problem with var.

football is (and has always been) played on precedent rather than rules. the rules are merely a guideline, and are always broken. theres basically millions of "small" infringements in every game of football. var shines a light on all of this and its not pretty. if we were to literally follow all of the rules, the game would be completely different. I'm confident that you could find something wrong in the build up to >50% of goals if you really wanted to (the figure may actually be very close to 400%).

when the authorities bought in var, the ramifications clearly weren't well thought out.

the prem refusing to use var for GK's on the line during penalties shows how much of perfection this has become. theyre basically telling gk's that its ok to flout this rule.

i really wouldn't be surprised if theres no var of any sort in football within the next 2 or so years. theres simply no good way of really implementing it without having major inconsistencies.
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I'm very happy with this. The sooner those transgressions are stopped the better.
 
scaramanga said:
I'm very happy with this. The sooner those transgressions are stopped the better.
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i think i agree.

but, i also think that this isn't what the vast majority of football fans want. var just highlights the "stupiditiy" of how football officiating works (and often the referees), and its really no good for anyone.

a better solution would simply have been for referees to enforce the more obvious "mistakes" that they have been making over the years, and gradually get closer to the letter of the law across all aspects of the rules. this would have been more palatable for everyone.
 
If it is a bookable offence, why exempt them in the phase of the game that is most important (the penalty shootout)?

The position seems to be that cards should be given except when it matters most.
 
Norway lucky just now. VAR decided against a penalty, which I thought was clear cut from the first replay.

Then again what do I know about the ever changing handball rules.
 
Robbo said:
Norway lucky just now. VAR decided against a penalty, which I thought was clear cut from the first replay.

Then again what do I know about the ever changing handball rules.
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I thought the opposite, didn't look like handball to me. But then again, what do I know about the ever changing handball rules. :p
 
Daisuk said:
I thought the opposite, didn't look like handball to me. But then again, what do I know about the ever changing handball rules. :p
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Her twisting the upper body/shoulder towards the ball made it a pen for me. It was an unnatural position, and without that deliberate twist I would've said it wasn't a pen. But of course I know feck all about the rules, so you’re probably right. :D
 
jts1882 said:
If it is a bookable offence, why exempt them in the phase of the game that is most important (the penalty shootout)?

The position seems to be that cards should be given except when it matters most.
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to add to this point, GK's staying on the line is supposed to be such a vital part of penalties, that a dedicated linesman is assigned to specifically keep an eye out for this. but the prem dont wanna use var here? you just couldn't make it up.
 
Interview with Mike Riley over the w/e who says that the PL will have a higher bar for VAR decisions.

Riley said that many of the penalties awarded for handball in the Women’s World Cup and Champions League — including those awarded against Tottenham Hotspur’s Danny Rose and Moussa Sissoko in the Champions League quarter-final and final respectively — would not be given in the Premier League.

How can you have different rules depending on the competition? Absolute flimflam if that’s the case
 
galeforce said:
I'd rather have bad rules implemented consistently than good rules implemented randomly.
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100% agree. Football -- and VAR -- needs to have a clear set of rules (even if supporters don't agree).

Sadly, I can already foresee a clear handball against us not even going to VAR and costing us points.

I don't normally condone violence, but if that happens I would be quite pleased if a supporter ran on the pitch, shouts something about the CL final, and then punches the ref in the face.
 
https://twitter.com/x/status/1148134352913620992

So according to this tweet (I don't have a Times subscription to get behind the paywall), there will be no pitch side reviews in the PL either. Is that for everything or just in relation to handball incidents? Sounds like for everything. Meaning more decisions will be made by the VAR rather than the on-pitch referee. Whether or not that's a good thing is a separate debate, but it's not how VAR is supposed to work at the moment.
How much latitude should individual leagues have?

Edit - in fact this is not even the league making the call, it's the referees' association.
 
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Glenda's Legs said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1148134352913620992

So according to this tweet (I don't have a Times subscription to get behind the paywall), there will be no pitch side reviews in the PL either. Is that for everything or just in relation to handball incidents? Sounds like for everything. Meaning more decisions will be made by the VAR rather than the on-pitch referee. Whether or not that's a good thing is a separate debate, but it's not how VAR is supposed to work at the moment.
How much latitude should individual leagues have?
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This was a big no no for FIFA when they introduced VAR - their point was the on field Ref still makes the decisions and will still have final say so. Not judging if its good or not but it is a big difference.
 
r-u-s-x said:
This was a big no no for FIFA when they introduced VAR - their point was the on field Ref still makes the decisions and will still have final say so. Not judging if its good or not but it is a big difference.
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Agree. That's not about interpretation of a rule (rightly or wrongly), rather it's making a fundamental change to the process itself, which I would not have thought would be (nor should be) in Mike Riley's remit.
 
And they say all that now, but when the Euros or the WC roll around again and they realise players won't be used to worrying about the more stringent rulings, there'll be panic an adjustment.
 
Glenda's Legs said:
Agree. That's not about interpretation of a rule (rightly or wrongly), rather it's making a fundamental change to the process itself, which I would not have thought would be (nor should be) in Mike Riley's remit.
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I would have thought so as well - I think this is the full article and its a slightly different thing- https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...premier-league-riley/articleshow/70127721.cms

Basically says they will be more strict on when they chose to go to VAR.

One of the big things people expect/ed with VAR was that it would stop the conspiracy of bias towards big clubs, imo it will be worse as fans will think big clubs get more VAR decisions.
 
scaramanga said:
Actually the whole thing has simply served to highlight what was already a mess.

VAR isn't functioning incorrectly, the lawmakers and referees are - just as they always have been.
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I disagree, refing in practice has always been done on precedent rather than the letter of the law. Trying to ref on the letter of the law has just highlighted that this was the case.
 
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