• Dear Guest, Please note that adult content is not permitted on this forum. We have had our Google ads disabled at times due to some posts that were found from some time ago. Please do not post adult content and if you see any already on the forum, please report the post so that we can deal with it. Adult content is allowed in the glory hole - you will have to request permission to access it. Thanks, scara

VAR: Sponsored by Chelsea

nayenezgani said:
Explain the penalty retake in the Scotland vs Argentina game. What an absolute disgrace this is:

View attachment 6822

VAR has been used to decide the keeper's off her line after making a save! If that's how the game is going to be officiated moving forward I may well find something else to do with my time.

It's easy to blame the rules being set, but VAR allows the powers at be the enforce them when it suits.

I'm younger than you by the way.
Click to expand...
Not real football - not important. The ref at my local park gets brick wrong too.
 
glasgowspur said:
I haven't watched the game, don't mind women's football but I draw the line at watching Scotland, but that picture looks like it was taken after ball was moved. The rule as I understand it is that the keeper can come their line once the ball has moved.
Click to expand...
Are you sure? It looks pretty clear to me that the taker is still on her down swing - she hasn't nearly kicked the ball yet.
 
scaramanga said:
Are you sure? It looks pretty clear to me that the taker is still on her down swing - she hasn't nearly kicked the ball yet.
Click to expand...
Not really no, it's a bit fuzzy. Looking at the proportions the ball looks pretty big, as if it's closer to the camera.
Anyway, can we now start a campaign to get it changed from s p u r s y to Scotlandy?
 
glasgowspur said:
Not really no, it's a bit fuzzy. Looking at the proportions the ball looks pretty big, as if it's closer to the camera.
Anyway, can we now start a campaign to get it changed from s p u r s y to Scotlandy?
Click to expand...
Yes we can, but you need your eyesight checked! Here's the same picture cropped, zoomed and sharpened:

D9dLRH4XUAUAapk.jpg

The taker is clearly on her downswing. This would be even clearer when pausing the video oneself, but it's clear enough from a photo.
 
This use of VAR for pernickety marginal calls will ruin the game. The use of technology to prevent clear and obvious errors by the referee is important, but they seem to have abandoned this approach. The VAR referee spends several minutes looking for evidence that there might be a foul, then calls the referee to look at the evidence. The referee will nearly always confirm it as a foul on video. But all capacity for fine judgement is lost.

And the new penalty regulation is ridiculous, shifting the balance far too much away from the goalkeeper. It would be simpler to award a penalty goal if its not a fair contest. To have a chance the goalkeeper has to anticipate, which means they go early if the kicker stutters, and it is impossible to dive sideways along the goal line (the mechanics of the skeleton and muscle determine this).
 
jts1882 said:
This use of VAR for pernickety marginal calls will ruin the game. The use of technology to prevent clear and obvious errors by the referee is important, but they seem to have abandoned this approach. The VAR referee spends several minutes looking for evidence that there might be a foul, then calls the referee to look at the evidence. The referee will nearly always confirm it as a foul on video. But all capacity for fine judgement is lost.

And the new penalty regulation is ridiculous, shifting the balance far too much away from the goalkeeper. It would be simpler to award a penalty goal if its not a fair contest. To have a chance the goalkeeper has to anticipate, which means they go early if the kicker stutters, and it is impossible to dive sideways along the goal line (the mechanics of the skeleton and muscle determine this).
Click to expand...
Agreed. It seems some incidents will be forensically analyses and others won’t when what we are asking for is some assistance for obvious mistakes that impact matches. If you are going to analyse the keeper on their line for a pen or book Son and disallow the goal for a stuttering run up you may as well start enforcing where people take throw ins from. If the handball rule is now any ball hitting the hand if it’s not by your side then any tug of the shirt should be a booking offence too. I’m not even sure how if feel about the marginal offside calls but it fees like it’s been over applied at key situations that were never being contested before.
 
scaramanga said:
Yes we can, but you need your eyesight checked! Here's the same picture cropped, zoomed and sharpened:

View attachment 6823

The taker is clearly on her downswing. This would be even clearer when pausing the video oneself, but it's clear enough from a photo.
Click to expand...

I meant not really as in a reply yo your 'are you sure?', not really.
As I said I hadn't seen the video.
I mean Scotland, Argentina, a world cup, what could go wrong?
 
Some common sense?

VARs in Premier League will not order penalty re-take if goalkeeper comes off line next season

Video assistant referees in the Premier League next season will not rule on the goalkeeper’s position at penalties with those decisions being left to the judgment of on-field officials, it can be revealed.

VARs will be used in England’s top flight for the first time from August but referees chiefs have decided they will not be involved in decisions on the goalkeeper’s position at spot kicks.

A new law requiring goalkeepers to have at least one foot on the line came into force before the women’s World Cup and has already proved hugely controversial. Scotland were knocked out of the tournament last night after drawing 3-3 against Argentina — the Scotland keeper Lee Alexander saved a penalty only for the VAR to order the kick to be re-taken on the basis that she did not have one foot on the line.

The Professional Games Match Officals Limited (PGMOL), the organisation which manages referees in the Premier League, has decided that the VAR will only get involved at a penalty if the player taking it double-hits the ball, if the kicker feigns at the point of the kick or if there’s an encroachment that has a direct impact on the outcome of the penalty.

The position will be reviewed during the season but it is understood the view of the PGMOL is that it wants to avoid a situation where almost every saved penalty is re-taken — as has been seen at the Women’s World Cup where the hosts, France, also benefited in their 1-0 win over Nigeria after Wendie Renard had put her first spot kick wide.
Click to expand...
 
VAR is like installing CCTV everywhere on the remit of stopping robberies, muggings and assaults and then the police using it to go after litter droppers and people crossing the road at a red light.

It should be big decision only after the ref has clearly got something wrong.

Football is turning into a game for pedants.
 
Mission Creep, its a solution looking for problems.

Rules being changed to suit VAR - more black and white, less subjective. The new handball law is not improving the game just making it easier to reach a VAR decision.
 
this was always going to be the problem with var.

football is (and has always been) played on precedent rather than rules. the rules are merely a guideline, and are always broken. theres basically millions of "small" infringements in every game of football. var shines a light on all of this and its not pretty. if we were to literally follow all of the rules, the game would be completely different. I'm confident that you could find something wrong in the build up to >50% of goals if you really wanted to (the figure may actually be very close to 100%).

when the authorities brought in var, the ramifications clearly weren't well thought out.

the prem refusing to use var for GK's on the line during penalties shows how much of perfection this has become. theyre basically telling gk's that its ok to flout this rule.

i really wouldn't be surprised if theres no var of any sort in football within the next 2 or so years. theres simply no good way of really implementing it without having major inconsistencies.
 
parklane1 said:
We live in hope.
Click to expand...
No chance Genie is out the bottle on this one. Still having issues in Italy and Germany 2 + years on and no sign of them pulling it.

Given Infantino's decisions since in hindsight maybe Blatter wasn't so bad, at least he was against VAR & the Qatar WC.
 
r-u-s-x said:
No chance Genie is out the bottle on this one. Still having issues in Italy and Germany 2 + years on and no sign of them pulling it.

Given Infantino's decisions since in hindsight maybe Blatter wasn't so bad, at least he was against VAR & the Qatar WC.
Click to expand...

You are probably right about that ( sad to say).
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back