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Spur of the moment said:
Maybe I can only speak for myself here but even after the goal against Chelsea was awarded I felt robbed because of the delay. You are right to say there are already other instances where you have to put your celebration on hold but I don't like those either and this is introducing yet another one.

From memory we scored six against Rochdale and I recall getting to the point where every time we scored a goal my first instinct was to hold back instead of letting rip, it got that ridiculous.

In truth I can see that overall the introduction of VARs makes very good sense on a practical basis and maybe in time I will learn to adjust and accept. But for me there's no getting away from the fact that that precious moment of spontaneous abandon after a goal is scored is being eroded ever more and will continue to be eroded progressively as time goes on.

That is something I deeply regret.
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This is my only concern about it all, really. I was a hundred per cent in favour of video refs before the first time I saw the system in action, but the coitus interruptus that follows goals with it in use, I think is going to spoil the whole experience for a lot of people. It has certainly made me much more equivocal in my own view of it.
 
Never a goal to be overturned tonight, farce, utter farce and don't get me started as I mentioned last year when its used in some games and not others, like Newcastles tie, available In the first let, not last night, offside goal, farce.
 
Listening to sid Richardson Spanish podcast and he is saying how in Spain all everyone is now arguing about is VAR and how they are finding it so much harder to accept bad decions now, although there may be decions that are corrected people feel it is less fair as they are more aggrieved by the wrong decions. (they assume its corrupt )

* Episode feed: The Spanish Football Podcast - http://feeds.feedburner.com/TheSpanishFootballPodcast
 
r-u-s-x said:
Listening to sid Richardson Spanish podcast and he is saying how in Spain all everyone is now arguing about is VAR and how they are finding it so much harder to accept bad decions now, although there may be decions that are corrected people feel it is less fair as they are more aggrieved by the wrong decions. (they assume its corrupt )

* Episode feed: The Spanish Football Podcast - http://feeds.feedburner.com/TheSpanishFootballPodcast
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Although the implication of that is that wrong decisions have been reduced and therefore its objectives met.
 
scaramanga said:
Although the implication of that is that wrong decisions have been reduced and therefore its objectives met.
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Yes I made sure I put that bit in for balance. It still comes down to what it objectives are / should be. I cant find a clear statement on the objectives of VAR by Fifa or the FA, I see when it can be used but no overall objective.

Reduced wrong decisions in isolation is a benefit but its not in isolation.
 
r-u-s-x said:
Yes I made sure I put that bit in for balance. It still comes down to what it objectives are / should be. I cant find a clear statement on the objectives of VAR by Fifa or the FA, I see when it can be used but no overall objective.

Reduced wrong decisions in isolation is a benefit but its not in isolation.
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For me that's the biggest win possible.

Anything else is just pointless chatter.
 
r-u-s-x said:
Listening to sid Richardson Spanish podcast and he is saying how in Spain all everyone is now arguing about is VAR and how they are finding it so much harder to accept bad decions now, although there may be decions that are corrected people feel it is less fair as they are more aggrieved by the wrong decions. (they assume its corrupt )

* Episode feed: The Spanish Football Podcast - http://feeds.feedburner.com/TheSpanishFootballPodcast
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Does it say why?

Why a decision was bad? Why they cannot accept it?

I find it hard to comprehend, to be honest. You can see what the ref see's, and its generally completely understandable.
 
nayimfromthehalfwayline said:
Does it say why?

Why a decision was bad? Why they cannot accept it?

I find it hard to comprehend, to be honest. You can see what the ref see's, and its generally completely understandable.
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In general they expect that the decision should be right as you can accept a ref on the pitch getting something wrong in real time but not a group who see lots of replays and it backs up their belief that the bodies are corrupt against them which is prevalent in the Spanish game anyway (even RM think Barca get preferential treatment and vise-versa).

In this specific incident, (Suarez goal) it would probably not be disallowed in the UK but would normally be in Spain where any contact with the keeper is banned, they gave the goal. It is however not an isolated incident (RM denied a clear penalty last week and it sounds like it has been common) and the fans are quite vocal, instead of talking about the games its only talking about VAR.

https://www.marca.com/en/football/barcelona/2019/01/20/5c44ee18268e3e077e8b462e.html

https://en.as.com/en/2019/01/07/football/1546864104_174459.html
 
So is not a VAR thing, per se, rather a general Spanish corruption/conspiracy thing?

IE - were VAR decisions completely impartial and 99.9% correct there wouldnt be an issue?
 
nayimfromthehalfwayline said:
So is not a VAR thing, per se, rather a general Spanish corruption/conspiracy thing?

IE - were VAR decisions completely impartial and 99.9% correct there wouldnt be an issue?
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Using VAR in the game and those two decisions are arguably wrong (grey area with the Suarez as far as rules go but interpretation in Spain its wrong).

There is the additional part that they do not believe the decisions are more impartial than an on field ref and they think 99.9% using VAR is no better than 95% not using VAR.
 
Given the issues around corruption, or at least the spectre of corruption, Im really not sure Spain can be used a basis to contest VAR in the UK.

It sounds very much like if use of VAR were properly specified and understood, and if its decisions/decision making properly communicated - most issues with it disappear.
 
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