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[nayimfromthehalfwayline]

As I said though - its the first in a long time the delay has been distracting.

Personally I think there should be no on field TV to be reviewed, the decision should just come down the wire.

I do think, as rusx likes to point out - there needs to be clarity around exactly WHAT goes to VAR.

 

[Grays_1890]

I do think, as rusx likes to point out - there needs to be clarity around exactly WHAT goes to VAR.

That part is clear just it is not followed.

Last nights handball was not given right? Reviewed for 4 minutes and given and if you ask experts including ex refs they can't decide on it, so it was not a clear and obvious mistake, its a VAR mistake which as I have said before is, if it hits the arm its a penalty and if there is contact its a penalty, which in the reality of it all is not always the case.

 

[jabbathehut]

The only handball issue that var should be used for is whether it touched the hand or not.After that is established its the refs decision.100 refs 50 give it 50 don't.With the Morata goal probably 90 give 10 don't in the normal course of play there was no clear angle showing a foul.The second shalke pen is only a pen salah gets not anyone else.Minimal contact.

 

[nayimfromthehalfwayline]

That part is clear just it is not followed.

Last nights handball was not given right? Reviewed for 4 minutes and given and if you ask experts including ex refs they can't decide on it, so it was not a clear and obvious mistake, its a VAR mistake which as I have said before is, if it hits the arm its a penalty and if there is contact its a penalty, which in the reality of it all is not always the case.

Define "clear and obvious mistake". Im guessing you cant, not in a way that could be written down and followed.

Under what circumstance is it used? Or not used? Can the ref be over ruled?

All things that Im sure are out there (got a feeling rusx has been reading up!) but not actually "out there".

We should ALL know the ins and outs in a practical way, and Id bet hardly any of us do.

 

[StephenH]

I was very pleased with Morata goal spot.
It seemed to stall with handball decision.

But as long as gets there, in the end, I'm happy!
Speed will come.

 

[Grays_1890]

Define "clear and obvious mistake". Im guessing you cant, not in a way that could be written down and followed.

Under what circumstance is it used? Or not used? Can the ref be over ruled?

All things that Im sure are out there (got a feeling rusx has been reading up!) but not actually "out there".

We should ALL know the ins and outs in a practical way, and Id bet hardly any of us do.

A clear and obvious mistake. So if a player takes a player out in the box and not the ball and the ref does not give it, thats clear and obvious, the same in reverse. If the players are running side by and the striker goes down and the ref does not give it and there is no obvious conclusion then you cant over rule it.

Last night the handball was not given and therefore VAR should not have been used to overule it as it was not a clear and obvious mistake by the ref because it was a 50/50 call.

 

[nayimfromthehalfwayline]

You assume clear and obvious means the same to me as it does you, as well as the same to the qualified ref seeing things from a perspective the other qualified ref doesnt get the opportunity to.

Its really not that clear at all, IMO, and needs definition put out there so everyone knows what to expect.

 

[Grays_1890]

You assume clear and obvious means the same to me as it does you

Haha I think you are just being awkward

 

[nayimfromthehalfwayline]

Haha I think you are just being awkward

Not at all, Im pointing out something clear and obvious

These are generally opinion based calls. Everyone has one. Not all are the same.

And, on top of that, the pro vs the fan will likely have very different views and understandings.

 

[r-u-s-x]

That part is clear just it is not followed.

Last nights handball was not given right? Reviewed for 4 minutes and given and if you ask experts including ex refs they can't decide on it, so it was not a clear and obvious mistake, its a VAR mistake which as I have said before is, if it hits the arm its a penalty and if there is contact its a penalty, which in the reality of it all is not always the case.

A lot of countries have different interpretation of the handball rules, I know in Spain that if it hits your arm 99% of the time its a penalty where here there is more ambiguity.

I prefer our interpretation and I worry that if we introduce - hits your arm=penalty- it will have the unforeseen consequence that players will aim for hands.

I think I heard from an attacking perspective that there is a change in the summer that if you get a benefit from it hitting your arm its is handball, from intentional handball. I think this is the first in a longer line of changing rules for VAR.

 

[Grays_1890]

A lot of countries have different interpretation of the handball rules, I know in Spain that if it hits your arm 99% of the time its a penalty where here there is more ambiguity.

I prefer our interpretation and I worry that if we introduce - hits your arm=penalty- it will have the unforeseen consequence that players will aim for hands.

I think I heard from an attacking perspective that there is a change in the summer that if you get a benefit from it hitting your arm its is handball, from intentional handball. I think this is the first in a longer line of changing rules for VAR.

Its all abit nuts for me mate. The WC meant that nearly every corner was a pen

 

[r-u-s-x]

Its all abit nuts for me mate. The WC meant that nearly every corner was a pen

There are two camps and I don't think there is any coming back, I will never like it but what makes me feel aggrieved is the fact there was no real demand for its introduction from the fans (all polls I saw pre WC had 60+ against) and the fact it wasn't perfected before bringing it in, goal line technology needed to be 100% accurate before the PL started using it. Keep getting told it would get better but why not perfect it in League 1 first.

I like football, I am worried about the direction it is going in.

 

[Grays_1890]

I like football, I am worried about the direction it is going in.

Im with you there, I don't see the need for it personally, GL Tech is great and instant. This just kills loads of why I love the game, but the game was not made for me so I will just take it.

 

[billyiddo]

Its all abit nuts for me mate. The WC meant that nearly every corner was a pen

Teams will just have to adjust their approach to defending corners then - it's no longer a case of defending teams being able to foul their way out of a corner situation by way of knowing there's little chance of being caught in the act.

 

[r-u-s-x]

Teams will just have to adjust their approach to defending corners then - it's no longer a case of defending teams being able to foul their way out of a corner situation by way of knowing there's little chance of being caught in the act.

Battles at corners have always been a thing, there has been instances where its excessive and they should be punished but this is changing the game.

Counter to this I know is its always been the rules but I think that's a bit of a cop out as the game is being changed regardless, if we wanted to we could have always been harsher .. we did not want to as its part of the game.

 

[parklane1]

Im with you there, I don't see the need for it personally, GL Tech is great and instant. This just kills loads of why I love the game, but the game was not made for me so I will just take it.

This.

 

[Robbo]

Two things for me, as others have mentioned:

1) There should be separate refs reviewing incidents, who could then overrule the on field ref if they found he made a mistake/didn't spot something. That would keep the game flowing without the ref leaving the field.

2) There should be a short review time for incidents. 20-30 seconds max, if the reviewing refs have instant access to TV footage. If they can't conclude either way in that time frame, the original call is likely close enough not to be deemed a clear error by the on field ref. It also means play won't go on for too long before a decision is overrule and the ball moved back (although this is not a flawless argument, as a lot could happen in 30 seconds).

 

[scaramanga]

Battles at corners have always been a thing, there has been instances where its excessive and they should be punished but this is changing the game.

Counter to this I know is its always been the rules but I think that's a bit of a cop out as the game is being changed regardless, if we wanted to we could have always been harsher .. we did not want to as its part of the game.

What you call a battle is a foul. If a player can't beat their opponent with their skill or intelligence, resorting to thuggery is not acceptable.

 

[r-u-s-x]

What you call a battle is a foul. If a player can't beat their opponent with their skill or intelligence, resorting to thuggery is not acceptable.

I don't agree in practise football is reffed on precedence, if it's never blown for a foul it's not a foul. It's easier doing it this way than change a law, in fact it's in the laws as "excessive force" it's the judgement of what's excessive that's changing.

 

[scaramanga]

I don't agree in practise football is reffed on precedence, if it's never blown for a foul it's not a foul. It's easier doing it this way than change a law, in fact it's in the laws as "excessive force" it's the judgement of what's excessive that's changing.

That precedence only came about because we couldn't spot all of the fouls. Now we can do that, we can apply the law properly.

Let's not forget the added bonus that VAR will relegate Leicester and end the career of Andy Carroll (if he hasn't done that himself by now).