Transfer speculation

[vkn17]

Just read that City spend more on their defence yearly, than Bosnia does! Let that sink in! They use more on brick footballers than an average country uses on it's military defence budget!!!

Bosnia is about 50 years behind an average country, so no comparison there really

 

[Kandi1977]

This one is good

 

[Gutter Boy]

Players signed by EPL clubs this summer who would improve us:

1) Bernardo Silva
2) Kyle Walker

And that's it

The rest are mediocre players at massively overinflated prices

 

[Kandi1977]

Players signed by EPL clubs this summer who would improve us:

1) Bernardo Silva
2) Kyle Walker

And that's it

The rest are mediocre players at massively overinflated prices

I'd take Morata over Janssen, and anyone with a pulse over Sissoko.

 

[AdamB]

Players signed by EPL clubs this summer who would improve us:

1) Bernardo Silva
2) Kyle Walker

And that's it

The rest are mediocre players at massively overinflated prices

You dont think Lacazette would improve us? Really??? And if your only criteria is 'improve us' rather than factoring in age or deal value, I'd also take Hernandez as a bench option. You dont think Salah would be an upgrade on GKN and Sissoko (again, setting aside price tag and for him, politics as well)

Hell, if your only criteria is 'improve us' Lukaku of the bench wouldnt be bad either, though we wouldnt have paid that fee and he wouldnt have joined to sit on the bench

 

[braineclipse]

I'd take Morata over Janssen, and anyone with a pulse over Sissoko.

True. Several players signed for £40-50m by the top clubs are better than the players sitting on our bench. I assume GB was taking about our first team.

 

[Finney Is Back]

It's very simplistic to suggest just because we have a young squad of players we are going to get better every season and they are going to get better every season just because they are young. We need some established quality too. Fair enough if you think he's talking out of his arse but I'm yet to find anyone quote parts where he's talking nonsense. The smug comment aside obviously....

I dont think we need any 'established quality' at all. I actually think that sort of player might even be detrimental to our squad.

I think the sort of young, still slightly rough diamonds that we seem to be interested in (Barkley, Toljan, Pereira, Seri, Kovacic, etc) are exactly the right type of players for us. They have shown something already, but are still young enough to improve and hungry enough to WANT to improve.

Any player that comes to Spurs has to accept Pochettino's ethos of coming here to train. It is quite likely that any new player coming in will not be a first team starter, especially not initially, 'established quality' is far less likely to accept that and that can start to lead to cliques and poor harmony in the dressing room.

 

[braineclipse]

It's very simplistic to suggest just because we have a young squad of players we are going to get better every season and they are going to get better every season just because they are young. We need some established quality too. Fair enough if you think he's talking out of his arse but I'm yet to find anyone quote parts where he's talking nonsense. The smug comment aside obviously....

If the only reason was "because we have a young squad" perhaps that would be simplistic. It's a bit of a straw man though as the age of our squad is only part of it.

We have one of the best managers around when it comes to developing these young players.

We now have a proven track record of players stepping up and improving.

We do have a fairly settled first eleven. With players fitting our style of play. A group of great professionals who fit in week under Pochettino. All a good starting point for improvement.

All in all I don't think it's simplistic at all to think that player development and youth player development should be one of our main paths for improvement going forward. And that is reflected in our transfer dealings, or lack thereof so far.

How many times did we actually play with our best XI last season? You need quality backup in every position. And we have added quality every season so far with Pochettino in charge, and we need to do so this year also. Not many, but 1 or 2 who can step in and strengthen the team. Would you feel comfortable with CCV and KWP playing for an extended period and in the CL? Yes they are good talents, but would be a significant step down from Toby and Trippier.

I don't think you'll find many posters on here who disagree with us signing 1-2 players this summer. But it's not even August yet and we have a settled very strong starting eleven and can afford that bit of patience in the transfer market.

 

[Vega]

Sky Sports News‏Verified account@SkySportsNews 37s37 seconds ago
BREAKING: @WatfordFC interested in signing Valencia defender Aymen Abdennour. according to Sky sources

 

[Gutter Boy]

You dont think Lacazette would improve us? Really??? And if your only criteria is 'improve us' rather than factoring in age or deal value, I'd also take Hernandez as a bench option. You dont think Salah would be an upgrade on GKN and Sissoko (again, setting aside price tag and for him, politics as well)

Hell, if your only criteria is 'improve us' Lukaku of the bench wouldnt be bad either, though we wouldnt have paid that fee and he wouldnt have joined to sit on the bench

Would they settle for back-up roles/work with the balance of our squad though?

It's not just about assembling the best 22 individuals possible. Janssen (according to Rob Mackenzie) was recruited specifically because Poch wanted someone mentally suited to being Kane's back-up.

 

[K.D.D.D.D.Soc]

You dont think Lacazette would improve us? Really??? And if your only criteria is 'improve us' rather than factoring in age or deal value, I'd also take Hernandez as a bench option. You dont think Salah would be an upgrade on GKN and Sissoko (again, setting aside price tag and for him, politics as well)

Hell, if your only criteria is 'improve us' Lukaku of the bench wouldnt be bad either, though we wouldnt have paid that fee and he wouldnt have joined to sit on the bench

I think we are a long way from spend 100m on 2 players to sit on the bench, particularly when you look at the wages they would want. I would like us to get good quality cover for Eriksen, Kane and Dembele but how many established players would want to sign knowing they would only get the odd game? I keep seeing we need to replace Walker but when did Trippier let us down? We do look short of quality when 4 or 5 players are missing, but only City have the money to cover every position and they fell short.

 

[braineclipse]

I think we are a long way from spend 100m on 2 players to sit on the bench, particularly when you look at the wages they would want. I would like us to get good quality cover for Eriksen, Kane and Dembele but how many established players would want to sign knowing they would only get the odd game? I keep seeing we need to replace Walker but when did Trippier let us down? We do look short of quality when 4 or 5 players are missing, but only City have the money to cover every position and they fell short.

I think people underestimate the cost involved with having experienced/proven backup for every position that comes as close as possible to the quality of the first choice.

You inevitably end up with an almost constant churn of players that are unhappy. And you end up on the wrong end of almost all those transfer negotiations. Signing players that the selling club doesn't want to sell inflating the transfer fee. Seeing players that are unhappy because of a lack of playing time that your content with selling decreasing the transfer fee. High wages to sign decreasing their value when selling.

Then the opportunity cost of not giving some of those squad roles to younger less experienced players with the potential to develop into fantastic players.

 

[Gutter Boy]

I think people underestimate the cost involved with having experienced/proven backup for every position that comes as close as possible to the quality of the first choice.

You inevitably end up with an almost constant churn of players that are unhappy. And you end up on the wrong end of almost all those transfer negotiations. Signing players that the selling club doesn't want to sell inflating the transfer fee. Seeing players that are unhappy because of a lack of playing time that your content with selling decreasing the transfer fee. High wages to sign decreasing their value when selling.

Then the opportunity cost of not giving some of those squad roles to younger less experienced players with the potential to develop into fantastic players.

Agree. I think we have the absolute perfect balance at the moment.

Last season perhaps only Wimmer in the whole squad was particularly dissatisfied with his playing time, and that was simply because you don't rotate CBs and Verts stayed pretty much injury free.

It's why the only thing I'd like to see us do is replace Walker and upgrade Sissoko.

 

[Vega]

Kaveh Solhekol‏Verified account@SkyKaveh 13h13 hours ago
Chicharito becomes 33rd striker West Ham owners have signed since Jan 2010. Twenty of them didn't score more than three goals for the club

 

[billyiddo]

Agree. I think we have the absolute perfect balance at the moment.

Last season perhaps only Wimmer in the whole squad was particularly dissatisfied with his playing time, and that was simply because you don't rotate CBs and Verts stayed pretty much injury free.

It's why the only thing I'd like to see us do is replace Walker and upgrade Sissoko.

We need someone to cover Wanyama/Dier as a matter of importance imo - Wanyama being out currently means Dier moving to CM and CCV playing at CB or a change of formation - either direct cover for Wanyama so him being out doesn't effect Dier at CB or another CB to cover Dier should he need to fill in for Wanyama.

Winks and Onomah are fine for Dembeles cover/competition but we're aren't covered in the same way for CB or the second midfield slot

 

[Gutter Boy]

We need someone to cover Wanyama/Dier as a matter of importance imo - Wanyama being out currently means Dier moving to CM and CCV playing at CB or a change of formation - either direct cover for Wanyama so him being out doesn't effect Dier at CB or another CB to cover Dier should he need to fill in for Wanyama.

Winks and Onomah are fine for Dembeles cover/competition but we're aren't covered in the same way for CB or the second midfield slot

Wimmer or Davies into CB is fine

I think it's better to have a smaller squad with versatility.

And for Dier's development and to keep him happy, I think it's really important to give him a decent chunk of game time in his best and favoured position of DM (especially as he will be playing there for England at the Euros). Another DM will harm that.

 

[DubaiSpur]

This one is good

It can enforce airspace dominance and conduct lethal SEAD/strike missions in SAM-filled skies over Baghdad...but I ask you, can an F/A-18 can put one into the onion bag on a wet, windy night in Stoke?

I *thought* not.

 

[AdamB]

I think we are a long way from spend 100m on 2 players to sit on the bench, particularly when you look at the wages they would want. I would like us to get good quality cover for Eriksen, Kane and Dembele but how many established players would want to sign knowing they would only get the odd game? I keep seeing we need to replace Walker but when did Trippier let us down? We do look short of quality when 4 or 5 players are missing, but only City have the money to cover every position and they fell short.

There was no mention of prices in GB's post - read back above. All he said was 'Players signed by EPL clubs this summer who would improve us:'

 

[billyiddo]

Wimmer or Davies into CB is fine

I think it's better to have a smaller squad with versatility.

And for Dier's development and to keep him happy, I think it's really important to give him a decent chunk of game time in his best and favoured position of DM (especially as he will be playing there for England at the Euros). Another DM will harm that.

Poch doesn't seem to like left footed players on the right side of defense and vice versa so that still leaves us pretty short in the scenario I'm talking about - the result is we will always need one of Wanyama or Dier available and on the pitch and if either is out for a prolonged period or suffers a drop in form we will be in trouble. Another option here makes sense

 

[Finney Is Back]

You dont think Lacazette would improve us? Really??? And if your only criteria is 'improve us' rather than factoring in age or deal value, I'd also take Hernandez as a bench option. You dont think Salah would be an upgrade on GKN and Sissoko (again, setting aside price tag and for him, politics as well)

Hell, if your only criteria is 'improve us' Lukaku of the bench wouldnt be bad either, though we wouldnt have paid that fee and he wouldnt have joined to sit on the bench

And therein lies the problem.... Do you think that Lacazette is better than Kane? I assume not.... So in that case do you think that Lacazette would come here and be fine with sitting on the bench most weeks? And assuming he would (he wouldn't by the way!) do you think that the club should be bringing in a player to sit on the bench who will be earning a considerable amount more money than any player in the preferred starting 11?

Wimmer or Davies into CB is fine

I think it's better to have a smaller squad with versatility.

And for Dier's development and to keep him happy, I think it's really important to give him a decent chunk of game time in his best and favoured position of DM (especially as he will be playing there for England at the Euros). Another DM will harm that.

I agree with most of what you say. I think though that last season we were already probably 1 player short in our squad. We have since sold Walker so are now 2 players short. If Wimmer goes then we he will also need to be replaced. I have no doubt that we will bring in the 2 or 3 players that we need however.