Whatever his justification, he remains a racist.
Liverpool seem to have a track record with racist players.
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Transfer speculation
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Whatever his justification, he remains a racist.
Liverpool seem to have a track record with racist players.
Glenda's Legs
Paul Walsh
"In the next few days and weeks, the main focus will certainly be placed on what is there for offers, and we will definitely look around, it's time to look for something, Where the chances of regular use are again higher."
Shame it doesn't appear to have worked out for Wimmer.
Pirate55
The Last Man Standing 17/18
In addition to that valid point, a new signing (or two - but no more) adds a certain freshness to the squad and shows we are going forwards, not standing still (or, heaven forbid) getting stale. There are players in the squad that could certainly be upgraded upon - Sissoko being the obvious one. We still have no real direct Eriksen substitute. We really need another playmaker imo.
ricky2tricky4city
Steffen Freund
I agree that a special player (a match winner if you like) is what we need. BUT that player is currently beyond us due to the 2000 blokes that need paying at the building site. I'm comfortable with that for this season and next.
And d'you know what? We are going mightily close with the group we have now. So replace that special player for a bit more luck, a few in match decisions, a relatively injury free season and we may just get over the line that way.
We are competitive, without a doubt. Many of our starting 11 were cheap/speculative buys anyway. So the strategy has paid off, admittedly in the main because of our excellent manager. He is the key man here and Levy will know this and will do whatever it takes to keep him. He is vital to the progress on and off the pitch.
I actually love being detatched from the transfer merry-go-round, all the false hope and speculation (and desperation). I'm just as confident that Poch will pluck someone from the youth team and get them contributing than any £30M punt (and unfortunately even at £30M it can be a punt these days) hitting the ground running.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
DeleHarry
Jose Dominguez
25 - 30 mill to Southampton
Gazza
Frederic Kanoute
Woah lets not throw accusations out like that ... is he against Israel or Jews? I know many jewish people who don't believe in the Zionist movement there. Are they racist?
parklane1
Tony Galvin
Simple as that really, thankfully most fans i speak to are realistic enough to understand this and accept it. However there are some fans who will not/can not understand that position and no matter what insist on the doom and gloom because we have not splashed the cash on one or two super stars.
I suppose they may think different if it was their money that they want us to spend.
Pirate55
The Last Man Standing 17/18
Whatever. Don't try and excuse this disgraceful, racist and unsportsmanlike behaviour. It has no place in sport and I am really pleased we didn't sign him. Sport should bring people together, not divide them.
K.D.D.D.D.Soc
Ian Walker
Isn't that like thinking black people are OK in their own country but not here?
monkeybarry
Jack Jull
Saying he is racist without evidence is irresponsible.
He is unprofessional and a bit of a twonk. He should understand that the players are just employees, like he is, and don't represent Israel or its politics. If it has been an international match he may have an argument.
That said, sport shouldn't be a "nice and happy " smokescreen to repress people's views. See Anton Ferdinand vs that taco
DubaiSpur
Ian Walker
Ah. That's pretty bad - although, as @Jordinho points out, possibly more of a political thing than anti-semitism? Would still be more than a bit of a red flag in that scenario, though, because Egypt and Israel have fairly cordial relations now (and have been on fairly amicable terms since Tel Aviv handed Sinai back to Egypt in 1982) - continued opposition to the notion of Israel from someone like Salah means that, at the very least, he believes fervently in the broader notions of anti-Zionism and/or the Palestinian cause. And although that's ostensibly a political stance, a significant proportion of people holding those views are also anti-semitic, so it could be that he shares those views (although it's not enough to prove it outright, mind - I wouldn't want him at our club either way, but it's important not to make condemnations lose their power by throwing them around willy-nilly).
From what I know, it's more the other way around - to a non-Jewish anti-Zionist, Jews are fine 'here' in their host countries but an expansive Jewish ethnostate in Palestine (their own country, more or less) is verboten.
You can't blame the Israelis for turning down that deal, though - they spent two millennia being powerless, stateless communities within hostile European states, and only got pogroms, massacres and an industrialized genocide in return. Whether they did or did not integrate into their host countries made no difference - in Christian Europe, they were massacred and despised simply for who they were. No sh*t they won't ever let that happen again, be it at the hands of ostensibly 'liberal' modern Europe or angry Middle Eastern states holding grudges against them for usurping the Palestinians.
K.D.D.D.D.Soc
Ian Walker
That's why I have no time for religions and nationalism, just tools for controlling people and creating reasons to hate rather than love.
Gazza
Frederic Kanoute
Absolutely not. The political agenda is questioned and not the people associated with it. Racism is completely different
K.D.D.D.D.Soc
Ian Walker
Racism is a political agenda, just an other tool to keep the riff raff at each others throats, as long as our betters give us someone to hate they can stay in charge.
ricky2tricky4city
Steffen Freund
Daniel Levy ended their interest in Dier.
DubaiSpur
Ian Walker
I agree wholeheartedly with the sentiment - but sadly, I also studied enough IR at undergrad and graduate levels to adopt the more equivocating, grey, utilitarian view of the world stage that studying international relations tends to infuse into you. Nationalism can be a horrific tool of hate and despotism, but it has also been a liberator of oppressed populations from the shackles of imperialism, colonialism and exploitation. Religion can be a monstrous, hate-mongering entity, but it is also what made rule by law and universal humanism gradually take precedence over 'might makes right' and 'winner take all' societies.
We divide ourselves by adopting nationalism and religion in ways that reflect their hatefulness instead of their potential to liberate and humanize, respectively. Nationalism and religion are tools with dark and noble sides - people use them in a variety of ways. Sadly we use them in ways that divide us far more often than in ways that emphasize our commonality.
Anyway, this is the transfer thread, dammit - no time for sermons about political theory here.
Have we signed anyone yet?
Manchester United, Emirates Marketing Project and PSG appear to have missed out in the race to sign Monaco star Fabinho after Atletico Madrid agreed a fee for the Brazilian.
United had been chasing the versatile star for some time after he enjoyed a stellar season for the Ligue 1 champions. It’s thought Fabinho was one of the names under consideration by Jose Mourinho as he seeks to sign a new central midfielder this summer.
City were also rumoured to be keen, while PSG saw two bids rejected for the former Real Madrid player.
However, according to Spanish paper AS, Atletico Madrid are closing in on a deal, with a fee of around £40million agreed.
It is said a deal in principle has been reached for the player, who can operate as a right-back or defensive midfielder.
The Spanish paper claims the deal has been agreed despite the club serving a transfer ban, with the move likely to go through in January, with the player spending the first few months of the season at Monaco. However, a gentleman’s agreement could see Fabinho not used in European competition – meaning he would be eligible to play in the latter stages of the Champions League next year, assuming Atletico are still in the competition.
AS also claim Fabinho’s former club Real Madrid will profit from the prospective deal, pocketing £200,000 from the transfer.
Fabinho only featured as a substitute once for Real, before being transfered to Monaco on an initial loan deal in July 2013, before making the move permanent a year later.
News of the move by Atletico has yet to be confirmed by either club, but would serve as another blow for Jose Mourinho, who has so far only managed to sign Victor Lindelof and Romelu Lukaku.
http://www.teamtalk.com/news/man-utd-man-city-miss-out-as-la-liga-giants-strike-deal-for-monaco-man
Poor Mourinho, it's just not fair.
United had been chasing the versatile star for some time after he enjoyed a stellar season for the Ligue 1 champions. It’s thought Fabinho was one of the names under consideration by Jose Mourinho as he seeks to sign a new central midfielder this summer.
City were also rumoured to be keen, while PSG saw two bids rejected for the former Real Madrid player.
However, according to Spanish paper AS, Atletico Madrid are closing in on a deal, with a fee of around £40million agreed.
It is said a deal in principle has been reached for the player, who can operate as a right-back or defensive midfielder.
The Spanish paper claims the deal has been agreed despite the club serving a transfer ban, with the move likely to go through in January, with the player spending the first few months of the season at Monaco. However, a gentleman’s agreement could see Fabinho not used in European competition – meaning he would be eligible to play in the latter stages of the Champions League next year, assuming Atletico are still in the competition.
AS also claim Fabinho’s former club Real Madrid will profit from the prospective deal, pocketing £200,000 from the transfer.
Fabinho only featured as a substitute once for Real, before being transfered to Monaco on an initial loan deal in July 2013, before making the move permanent a year later.
News of the move by Atletico has yet to be confirmed by either club, but would serve as another blow for Jose Mourinho, who has so far only managed to sign Victor Lindelof and Romelu Lukaku.
http://www.teamtalk.com/news/man-utd-man-city-miss-out-as-la-liga-giants-strike-deal-for-monaco-man
Poor Mourinho, it's just not fair.