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DeanoAustin said:
It’s subtle use of language to create a narrative. He’s not saying it but to the casual ear it’s “I’m missing pretty much my full team.”

Maybe I’m reading too much into the interview but there seemed to be a bit of a subtle dig at the club there and his talking up of the players is maybe a man who is about to fall on his sword (or be pushed by Levy).

Or maybe I’m reading too much into it.
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Fair enough Deano, personally I think fans/posters read way more into interviews than the players. But that's just my opinion, and I'm not going to get in a debate with you about that as I don't really know either way!

I doubt he's going anywhere until we are out of the EL, as I assume that whoever Levy would want is unattainable until the summer. And he's taking the opinion (and a fair one IMO) that we are better off with Ange than Mason for a crack at the EL. But if/when that's off the table, likely we will look forward to our worryingly familiar tradition of caretaker Mason....
 
monkeybarry said:
Agreed.
But let's also recognise how difficult that is to do, and even harder to sustain.
Name one team that has in the past 50/60 years?
-Bankrolled Blackburn for a little bit in the 90s.
-Emirates Marketing Project with oil money and possibly cheating
-Chelsea with dirty spoils of ripping off a nation
-Us under Poch (top 4 for a few years and a CL final - I know that isn't winning anything, but it is the modern version of breaking the status quo).

That's why I asked @Bishop and the other poster if they'd accept an Abramovich or Saudi oil etc.
Levy isn't bad. He's playing against a stacked deck in a field of experienced winners.
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I don't think it's such a binary choice, it's not Levy or an oil tycoon. I want someone who maximises the opportunities when they arise. Levy clearly doesn't for me. Every time we've had the opportunity to push on we don't, instead we rest on our laurels and regress. That might be enough for you but it's not for me and certainly not enough to be called "the chairman in the world".
 
Bishop said:
I don't think it's such a binary choice, it's not Levy or an oil tycoon. I want someone who maximises the opportunities when they arise. Levy clearly doesn't for me. Every time we've had the opportunity to push on we don't, instead we rest on our laurels and regress. That might be enough for you but it's not for me and certainly not enough to be called "the chairman in the world".
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Can you suggest who that might be?
 
Bishop said:
I don't think it's such a binary choice, it's not Levy or an oil tycoon. I want someone who maximises the opportunities when they arise. Levy clearly doesn't for me. Every time we've had the opportunity to push on we don't, instead we rest on our laurels and regress. That might be enough for you but it's not for me and certainly not enough to be called "the chairman in the world".
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That's why I asked for examples of success in similar circumstances - and there don't seem to be any, perhaps with the exception of Liverpool; however they are just where they have been throughout their history.

I think people are looking for a "grass is greener" ownership - I'm just not convinced it exists; so I'm searching for evidence of it.
I think we've been generally on par under Levy, with a medium period over achieving and a patchy period then past few years (and even those weren't terrible pre-Ange; they were just boring)
 
monkeybarry said:
That's why I asked for examples of success in similar circumstances - and there don't seem to be any, perhaps with the exception of Liverpool; however they are just where they have been throughout their history.

I think people are looking for a "grass is greener" ownership - I'm just not convinced it exists; so I'm searching for evidence of it.
I think we've been generally on par under Levy, with a medium period over achieving and a patchy period then past few years (and even those weren't terrible pre-Ange; they were just boring)
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I look at a bit differently, those I rate are the teams who maximise their resources and opportunities. So at present Liverpool are doing that as are Arsenal. It's not about their positions at the top of the table it's about what they are achieving relative to their opportunity. Brighton are similar, other have mentioned Bournemouth as well.

Now I look at Spurs and do I think we always maximise our opportunities, hell no with numerous examples; the 2010 no striker transfer window shambles, the 2012 signings of Nelson and Saha for a pretend push at the title. Sacking Harry (contentious on here I know but a bad decision), letting the prime Poch team stagnant and wither, replacing Poch with fudging Mourinho of all people showing your complete lack of football nous and then when this world renowned but unsuited to Spurs coach asks for a striker because Son and Kane were both out injured they bring in a fudging winger. He asked for CBs you give him a Championship defender he was never going to play. Firing Mou a week before the cup final, the coach who is known for winning from the under position. Hiring Nuno and then firing him 10 games in because your first choice is now available. The whole Conte debacle. This is the work of a world class chairman?
 
Bishop said:
I look at a bit differently, those I rate are the teams who maximise their resources and opportunities. So at present Liverpool are doing that as are Arsenal. It's not about their positions at the top of the table it's about what they are achieving relative to their opportunity. Brighton are similar, other have mentioned Bournemouth as well.

Now I look at Spurs and do I think we always maximise our opportunities, hell no with numerous examples; the 2010 no striker transfer window shambles, the 2012 signings of Nelson and Saha for a pretend push at the title. Sacking Harry (contentious on here I know but a bad decision), letting the prime Poch team stagnant and wither, replacing Poch with fudging Mourinho of all people showing your complete lack of football nous and then when this world renowned but unsuited to Spurs coach asks for a striker because Son and Kane were both out injured they bring in a fudging winger. He asked for CBs you give him a Championship defender he was never going to play. Firing Mou a week before the cup final, the coach who is known for winning from the under position. Hiring Nuno and then firing him 10 games in because your first choice is now available. The whole Conte debacle. This is the work of a world class chairman?
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I don't think Arsenal are maximising their opportunities. Their supporters seem to be very unhappy with their activity in the market and squad building these past few windows, they think they have a lack of depth and are neglecting their need for a starting CF of real quality. I think if we were in their position and had a dry January window there would be a lot of complaining about Levy and a lack of ambition to go for the title when we are so close and only need a couple of extra players to make the difference
 
monkeybarry said:
Ah, the good old "I want change, but can't give examples of what I want or who might be able to do it".
I think Farage might be interested....
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Silly comment. Do you seriously want me to list people who I think would do a better job? Ok then.

From the football world;

Enrique Cerezo, Aitor Elizegi, Fernando Carro, J. Henry, Tony Bloom etc etc.

There are loads, I didn't name because I don't know who is available or who would be willing to come to Spurs. Then add in institutional chairman and there's a whole world of fiscally competent people who could do the same role Levy has but potentially with some added boldness and maybe football nous.
 
Benny_Lad said:
I heard someone talking about this the other day. I haven’t fact checked it but they said we had a bad 8/10 weeks after the Chelsea game where we lost 3 key players including VDV and Romero, but we came home pretty strong in the league with a decent run up to April/May from Feb.

This season we averaged 1.8 points per game with VDV and Romero together and the wheels have come off since they’ve not been together (1.1pt per game).

I’m not defending Ange and I’m neither here nor there on whether he stays or goes. But I think some context is important and people just saying “he’s out of his depth” doesn’t really cover it.

I think his plan A is perfectly decent, and relies heavily on 2 top class CBs, one whose pace does similar for us what Kyle Walker did for Emirates Marketing Project, enabling us to step forward aggressively and play a high line successfully.

I think his limitations are being totally unable to pivot or adjust when he doesn’t have his best players available (or things his own way). He’s had a long injury list for a long time, but has made no visible effort to change things or come up with a plan that suits the players he has, and he’s paying the price.
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Your last paragraph would suggest he’s not up to the job then. As you need to be able to adapt at top level, find solutions to problems.
 
billyiddo said:
I don't think Arsenal are maximising their opportunities. Their supporters seem to be very unhappy with their activity in the market and squad building these past few windows, they think they have a lack of depth and are neglecting their need for a starting CF of real quality. I think if we were in their position and had a dry January window there would be a lot of complaining about Levy and a lack of ambition to go for the title when we are so close and only need a couple of extra players to make the difference
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Their inability to maximise isn't down to their board though, they have provided the opportunity to improve. Arteta just decided to buy defenders and midfielders for £300m+ and no strikers.
 
Bishop said:
Their inability to maximise isn't down to their board though, they have provided the opportunity to improve. Arteta just decided to buy defenders and midfielders for £300m+ and no strikers.
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So when another club builds a squad that doesn't get over the line it is the managers fault? Whose decision was it for them not to buy any players in the Jan window? I can't imagine Arteta would not have wanted to strengthen?

Our board have made good money available to invest in the squad - that's their end of the bargain
 
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