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Re: Northumberland Development Project

Superhudd said:
If we were in the North, Modric would not have signed, neither would have Berbatov, infact many of the players wouldn't have, our extra income over the likes of Northern teams is because despite our non success over the years we are still next in the food chain. You only have to see Liverpools pull in this respect.. loads of success in the 70s and 80s and there fanbase is built on this around the world. Evertons does not have the infrastructure of Liverpool so has to buy and sell well and I'd suggest they have done just as well as we have in that respect bar the ridiculous amount for Bale.


We earned our reputation from being the sugar daddy club in the 60s. That is how our club grew, from then to the 90s. It is since and because of bigger sugar daddies why we are not champions League. Our standing in the game has never changed.. despite Iving Scholar's running before walking demise and Alan Sugar best efforts to put as little money he could into the club but was still able to spend millions on players. As I said its not rocket science running a football club like Tottenham when a lot of the infrastructure is laid on a silver platter. More so in todays game.
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You're using a hypothetical alternate reality to decry things that actually are true and have happened.
It's not just arguing from a position of weakness but of non-existence.
 
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jimmyb said:
Nonsense. Charlton didn't have the biggest crowds. Tottenham, on the other hand, often did.Charlton had one huge terrace along the side of the pitch (where the stand to the right of the away fans now is). And they occasionally got big crowds. But they never had the biggest crowds on average.And Liverpool didn't often have the biggest crowds, even in the 70's and 80's. They didn't have a big enough stadium. Man Utd, more often than not, had the biggest attendances from the 70's on.
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[h=2]1948-1949[/h] Charlton's highest ever average attendance - 11th best in England & Wales


No.ClubDivAverage
1Saudi Sportswashing Machine153.839-4,3%
2Arsenal151.478-6,4%
3Manchester United148.808-11,1%
4Tottenham Hotspur248.25828,1%
5Aston Villa147.32014,2%
6Chelsea146.362-2,6%
7Sunderland145.2205,4%
8Everton145.1382,1%
9Liverpool144.031-0,6%
10Wolverhampton Wanderers143.69010,2%
11Charlton Athletic140.21610,9%

Best supported club overall, season by season


EnglandLeague averageBest clubAveragePL AverageChampionshipLeague 1League 2
2014






201314.349Manchester United75.53035.92117.4486.3194.389
201214.458Manchester United75.38734.60017.7297.3754.406
201114.472Manchester United75.10935.29417.3867.5194.175
201014.764Manchester United74.86434.15117.9489.1443.855
200914.670Manchester United75.30435.61417.8757.5404.175
200814.691Manchester United75.69136.07617.0227.9924.337
200714.505Manchester United75.82634.36318.2217.4894.133
200614.288Manchester United68.76533.86417.6167.5784.194
200514.364Manchester United67.74833.89017.4107.7384.502




PL averageDivision 1Division 2Division 3
200414.342Manchester United67.64135.02015.8937.5065.390
200313.921Manchester United67.60235.46415.4277.0504.458
200213.707Manchester United67.55834.44815.2577.2084.379
200112.809Manchester United67.49032.90714.3376.3383.915
200012.457Manchester United58.01430.75714.1556.7043.916
199912.482Manchester United55.18830.58013.6657.5103.813
199812.128Manchester United55.16829.19015.0916.3453.201
199711.376Manchester United55.08128.43412.5575.7883.373
199610.726Manchester United41.70027.55011.8965.1423.560
199510.761Manchester United43.68124.27110.8945.5023.374
199410.699Manchester United44.24423.04011.7665.3963.417
199310.183Liverpool FC37.00421.12510.6256.3103.339




Division 1Division 2Division 3Division 4
19929.920Manchester United44.98421.62210.5255.4233.393
19919.592Manchester United43.21822.68111.3895.1533.222
19909.568Manchester United39.07720.75712.4965.0793.426
19899.069Liverpool FC38.57420.55310.5585.4533.291
19888.847Liverpool FC39.58219.27310.5574.9843.211
19878.673Manchester United50.59420.2489.0224.2593.108
19868.130Manchester United46.32119.5637.6884.5122.551
19858.791Manchester United42.88121.0808.7254.8282.519
19849.044Manchester United42.53418.83411.6014.9392.817
19839.252Manchester United41.69520.12710.7685.3232.809
19829.862Manchester United44.57122.55510.2825.1273.621
198110.805Manchester United45.07124.68211.2026.5903.074
198012.142Manchester United51.60826.32713.2307.2454.258
197912.081Manchester United46.43027.42813.3036.1134.182
197812.516Manchester United51.86028.69213.9976.0314.222
197712.831Manchester United53.71029.38913.4367.4603.838
197612.269Manchester United54.75028.33312.5517.1283.731
197512.600Manchester United48.38927.23915.0567.4103.483
197412.321Manchester United42.71228.29413.6936.1983.925
197312.527Manchester United48.62330.25712.1666.7533.763
197214.140Liverpool FC47.68731.32414.6528.5104.961
197113.884Liverpool FC45.45930.20515.2937.9225.006
197014.558Manchester United49.86232.07016.4117.6155.296
196914.424Manchester United51.16931.42115.9167.8035.569
196814.821Manchester United57.55233.03616.0817.2716.070
196714.239Manchester United53.85430.77015.7018.0085.412
196613.369Liverpool FC46.34426.90314.9388.6335.462
196513.616Manchester United46.52127.50815.0978.0196.347
196414.056Everton FC49.40127.02916.4219.7885.488
196314.173Everton FC51.60326.93916.7979.5915.874
196214.051Tottenham Hotspur FC45.57626.10716.1329.4486.165
196114.100Tottenham Hotspur FC53.12428.02215.1818.6297.016
196016.005Tottenham Hotspur FC47.94831.17218.11910.3357.210
195916.635Manchester United53.25831.83518.70511.1197.698




Division 1Division 2Division 3 (S)Division 3 (N)
195816.519Manchester United46.07331.25818.71011.0207.849
195716.115Manchester United45.48129.86818.83210.1468.301
195616.364Everton FC42.76830.56019.65110.3137.782
195516.834Chelsea FC48.26032.69019.47810.8557.332
195417.824Arsenal FC50.27834.95320.53711.4367.605
195318.307Arsenal FC49.19134.73220.93312.1388.533
195219.228Tottenham Hotspur FC51.13434.89223.93912.5788.824
195119.802Tottenham Hotspur FC55.50936.11023.33213.2788.808
195021.869Tottenham Hotspur FC54.11137.28425.27415.3419.576
194922.318Saudi Sportswashing Machine FC53.83938.79224.52815.14810.803
194821.764Saudi Sportswashing Machine FC56.28336.13426.59214.3999.930
194719.150Saudi Sportswashing Machine FC49.37932.24923.85112.1638.336








193914.619Aston Villa FC39.93224.82018.6738.6546.329
193815.094Arsenal FC44.04525.16018.6519.9356.630
193714.308Arsenal FC43.35324.60517.3139.6225.690
193613.350Arsenal FC41.96024.62414.9588.5935.224
193512.502Arsenal FC46.25223.38613.1908.2015.229
193412.159Arsenal FC40.75022.59612.5318.1815.326
193311.669Arsenal FC41.95820.17513.3437.5444.957
193211.986Arsenal FC40.54721.52912.2138.4935.082
193111.373Arsenal FC37.10620.46213.1686.9484.915
193012.417Arsenal FC35.53722.64713.6518.4954.874
192912.943Emirates Marketing Project FC31.71522.71214.4988.6145.949
192812.735Emirates Marketing Project FC37.46822.88514.9197.7225.414
192712.646Saudi Sportswashing Machine FC36.51022.88114.1088.1295.467
192612.479Chelsea FC32.35522.59713.2578.3685.694
192512.496Arsenal FC29.48521.60914.4058.3725.600
192412.619Chelsea FC30.89522.65412.6828.7506.389
192313.344Liverpool FC33.49523.21313.4749.2656.149
192214.478Chelsea FC37.54527.00313.0309.8316.661




Division 1Division 2Division 3
192118.853Saudi Sportswashing Machine FC41.26529.25216.38010.929
192018.459Chelsea FC42.61524.03612.883









19159.980Emirates Marketing Project FC20.20513.5966.364

191416.359Chelsea FC37.10521.97910.738

191313.789Chelsea FC33.55518.8858.692

191213.075Chelsea FC26.29516.6359.515

191112.712Saudi Sportswashing Machine FC25.05516.1549.270

191012.063Chelsea FC28.54515.8188.307

190912.849Saudi Sportswashing Machine FC29.30016.3579.341

190812.412Chelsea FC31.96516.8098.015

190711.162Saudi Sportswashing Machine FC33.23515.5266.798

19069.864Saudi Sportswashing Machine FC22.76513.4296.298

19059.700Saudi Sportswashing Machine FC21.60513.2716.129

19049.474Aston Villa FC20.03512.9176.031

19038.656Aston Villa FC19.79011.7605.552

19027.708Aston Villa FC19.58011.2934.123

19017.483Aston Villa FC17.53011.0483.918

19006.682Aston Villa FC18.7659.5213.843

18997.148Aston Villa FC23.04510.0584.238

18987.039Everton FC17.3909.5584.521

18976.110Everton FC15.8407.8254.395

18966.147Everton FC16.0808.0504.244

18955.753Everton FC17.4207.6743.832

18945.086Everton FC13.5206.9993.046

18935.332Everton FC13.2307.0172.269

18926.193Everton FC10.7306.193


18916.413Everton FC11.3756.413


18905.466Everton FC10.1105.466


18894.639Everton FC7.2604.639



Source: http://www.european-football-statistics.co.uk/attn.htm
 
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Re: Northumberland Development Project

Have we been performing above our financial station recently? It seems to me that we have been about where we should be since 2005-06, but were badly under-performing before.

We have been a Deloitte top twenty club since its inception (one of only eight or nine ever presents) and usually the fifth or sixth richest in England (except the first one where we were marginally above Arsenal and Chelsea, irrc). So based on revenues 5-6th is about where we should be. The fourth placed seasons were over achievement but there were also bad seasons.

We get a slightly different analysis based on wages and then we have over performed by a couple of places. A number of clubs including Villa, West Ham and Portsmouth have out spent us on wages. While clearly they were doing so in an unsustainable way and gained an unfair advantage, but it was partly our choice to keep wages down and spend more on transfers. In recent seasons we have reversed strategy and paid more wages and kept net transfer spending down.
 
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The financial disparities between the top half clubs is a considerably bigger than in the bottom half. The fact that the points gap isn't larger is a credit to the likes of us and Everton.
 
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In recent years we've punched above our financial weight but prior to that we didn't fare so well.

http://www.financialfairplay.co.uk/latest-news/wages-vs-points-scaled-tables
http://www.sportingintelligence.com/2013/10/24/arsene-wenger-what-is-he-good-for-251001/

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Re: Northumberland Development Project

jimmyb said:
Cheers.

Proof that I wasn't talking out of my **** (about both Charlton and Liverpool)!
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Did I say average , I ment to say they got big crowds alongside other teams around that time and that was not a reason why people went to watch good football, people went because it was he done thing on a Saturday at 3pm. Charlton as I said were getting big crowds. upwards of 75,000. Big crowds does not necessarily mean they were watching good football. Apologies for my wording above.
 
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JerusalemMan said:
You're using a hypothetical alternate reality to decry things that actually are true and have happened.
It's not just arguing from a position of weakness but of non-existence.
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Fair point. But I still think if Everton or Saudi Sportswashing Machine were in London and Tottenham played North they would have been playing for them and not us. Wasn't Saudi Sportswashing Machine interested in Modric at the time, but he turned them down. Didn't Modric even visit Saudi Sportswashing Machine and there training ground. Obviously didn't like it.
 
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jimmyb said:
Nonsense. Charlton didn't have the biggest crowds. Tottenham, on the other hand, often did.

Charlton had one huge terrace along the side of the pitch (where the stand to the right of the away fans now is). And they occasionally got big crowds. But they never had the biggest crowds on average.

And Liverpool didn't often have the biggest crowds, even in the 70's and 80's. They didn't have a big enough stadium. Man Utd, more often than not, had the biggest attendances from the 70's on.
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Apologies you read me wrong, I didn't say anything about Liverpool having huge attendances. I was pointing out there dominance following us and the blah blah was the dominance in football since as everyones knows that. It followed Tottenham having the better players in the early 60s followed by Liverpool having the dominance from then.
 
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It's notable in the 50s and 60s (and earlier) how the attendances followed the success. Us in the early 50s and early 60s. United in the mid/late 60s, Arsenal in the 30s. Even Chelsea topped the attendance list in the mid 50s when they had a title winning team.

That changed in the 70s with Liverpool and United dominating (with and without success, respectively).
 
Re: Northumberland Development Project

jts1882 said:
It's notable in the 50s and 60s (and earlier) how the attendances followed the success. Us in the early 50s and early 60s. United in the mid/late 60s, Arsenal in the 30s. Even Chelsea topped the attendance list in the mid 50s when they had a title winning team.

That changed in the 70s with Liverpool and United dominating (with and without success, respectively).
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Apologies this is veering way off topic!

However it's interesting to note that occasionally a surge in attendances would arrive prior to success. This appears to have happened with us in the immediate post-war years ahead of the triumphs that were to follow at the turn of the decade. Admittedly attendances were increasing significantly all over the country in the years immediately following WW2, but ours jumped even more dramatically than most, and this despite our continuing relative mediocrity in Division 2.

Tottenham Hotspur Average Attendances Season by Season Pre- and Post-WW2

............ Year ............ Position ...... Division ... Rank .............. Average Attendance ..... Rank .. FA Cup Round

1949522748.25843
1948823037.67913SF
1947622834.636123
1946 3
1939823029.39794
1938522726.10110QF
19371023225.3429QF
 
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Surely that reflects the good football that builds to success. Rowe had the team playing attractive football which led to promotion and a title. That 48k was followed by 54k, the top attendance in 1949-50 (by 5k) and while we were still in the second division. There had to be something special to draw in the big crowds.

Likewise, the early 60s team was dominant the season before but had a slack finish to the season.
 
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Re: Northumberland Development Project

Any news about when this is likely to get built? The longer the silence the more you think its not going to happen. Cant remember when the last detailed update from the club was re the stadium...
 
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AdamB said:
Any news about when this is likely to get built?
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Not a sausage.

AdamB said:
The longer the silence the more you think its not going to happen. Cant remember when the last detailed update from the club was re the stadium...
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February 2012, when it was approved.

There hasn't even been a rumour since early October when it was reported that the club was looking into the idea of a stadium share with a new London based NFL franchise.
 
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Was the update regarding the Greek family that currently live on the future centre circle not wanting to sell up not detailed enough for ya 8-[

This thread has been pretty depressing for a long time huh..
 
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I thought we had been granted cpos on all the property's
 
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spurs' magna carter said:
Not a sausage.



February 2012, when it was approved.

There hasn't even been a rumour since early October when it was reported that the club was looking into the idea of a stadium share with a new London based NFL franchise.
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Think we should end this thread - its probably jinxing it
 
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jts1882 said:
Surely that reflects the good football that builds to success. Rowe had the team playing attractive football which led to promotion and a title. That 48k was followed by 54k, the top attendance in 1949-50 (by 5k) and while we were still in the second division. There had to be something special to draw in the big crowds.

Likewise, the early 60s team was dominant the season before but had a slack finish to the season.
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Er ... Arthur Rowe did not take over until the start of the following season. Joe Hulme "became manager in October 1945. However, he did not have any success and he resigned from the post in May 1949."

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/ARSENALhume.htm
 
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spurs' magna carter said:
or we could just ask the club for an update....

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:D

The THST did recently, if I'm not mistaken. Got almost nothing out of the club beyond the stock statements they always use.

I can't believe the last official updates on this great white hope were two whole years ago.

Best to lock this thread and move on, I think. :(
 
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