I think if the money is close, we need to be sending him to a team in another league. We can't be strengthening our rivals, especially solving a problem area for them. Especially with a player who isn't English.
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Toby Alderweireld
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I think if the money is close, we need to be sending him to a team in another league. We can't be strengthening our rivals, especially solving a problem area for them. Especially with a player who isn't English.
alekaras
The ITK of IDK
We could always use one more.
Also, if this is true (and Alasdair Gold is reliable), I don't see how people can be annoyed at the club and Poch. 130k would make him our highest earner, but 180 would completely fudge up the structure at the club, considering it'd mean he made almost double what our highest paid players get. Alderweireld has the club over a barrel with the contract situation and knows that there's no way we'll be able to pay him what he is demanding. Of course, it's his right to do that because footballers have a short career and he's almost 30, but I don't think it's plausible for us to destroy our wage structure, especially for an aging player who might not even be in our best XI right now.
The club has made a reasonable offer, Toby didn't accept it, Poch and the board have moved on. Think he's almost 100% to go now in the summer. Now, let's get De Ligt.
The club has made a reasonable offer, Toby didn't accept it, Poch and the board have moved on. Think he's almost 100% to go now in the summer. Now, let's get De Ligt.
alekaras
The ITK of IDK
If the money is close, I agree. But if we're offered £20-30m more by a domestic team, fudge it, I'd take it and bring in the most promising young defender I could find. And he'd be on £40K/wk too, not £150.
If one player is going to make all that difference to a rival and at the same time we're not getting better, then whether we sell him domestically or not won't really matter in the grand scheme of things.
Gazza Dazzla
Chris Perry
If there is any truth to the rumours then I think that’s that, he’s off. He knows we’ll never make such a big jump and pay 180k a week.
Big IF though.
Big IF though.
DeleHarry
Jose Dominguez
Spur of the moment
Frederic Kanoute
Which throws up an interesting question.
Clearly Walker was always going to leave last summer and City were always going to find some other top RB from elsewhere if he had gone abroad instead, so the question is, how much more has he added to their all-conquering season than any other top RB might have done?
Put it another way, would we have stood a significantly better chance of catching City if neither of us had him? Hindsight is 20/20 vision but given their phenomenal season it's hard to imagine his absence would have made that much difference to the eventual outcome.
DeanoAustin
Jimmy McCormick
Don’t think there is much more the club can do. If we’re gonna pay 180k, I’d rather it’s on Harry, Eriksen or Dele.
It’s a shame and I really wanted to keep him but he’s gonna go. One word of warning for whoever buys him - he’s been superb for us but not many were queuing up for him in 2015 and he’ll have had the bones of a year without regular football. He’s not guaranteed to be a success wherever he goes.Hope he goes to PSG or somewhere abroad though and whoever buys him gets Levy-ied.
Yeah, the money's gotta be close. But you'd imagine a club like PSG or Madrid could get pretty close to whatever United or Chelsea could offer.
alekaras
The ITK of IDK
Exactly. If they do not get Toby, they will find someone else. And to be honest, I would rather we were the ones that found that someone else, especially if it is a young up-and-coming player. Look at Harley, for example. Would you trade him to keep Toby? I wouldn't. So if trading Toby means we get another Harley, I am all for it. Else our PL rivals will get him and they will have a player for the future, while we're left with a superb, but aging CF whose best days might have passed him by.
So Toby leaving might make our opponents stronger, but that doesn't mean we will not be getting stronger too. It's not going to cause a massive shift in the balance of power. I mean, he's not Messi, he's just a very very good CF. And as our results from this season have shown (I mean, we could get to 85 points, in spite of tons of injuries and playing at Wembley!), definitely not irreplaceable.
The interesting thing about this is we are still negotiating ...
Spur of the moment
Frederic Kanoute
Yep. Still hoping he's just playing hardball and will eventually settle for the best we can offer
parklane1
Tony Galvin
We could always use one more.
I think some are forgetting ( not saying you are one of them) we have Foyth already here and from what i have seen of him he looks like a top player in the making. I believe Poch was tracking him for a while before we got him and Poch knows a thing about being a top CB.
Lemonade Money
Les Medley
Why do you think that?
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alekaras
The ITK of IDK
Yes, but Verts isn't going to be around forever. Succession planning. We need at least one more young CB to step in when he retires.
One thing that hasn't been discussed much in this thread is that the reason he can ask for a high salary and will get it at other places is because there isn't a huge amount of good defenders available, think back to the era of Terry, Ferdinand, Carragher, Vidic, King etc and that was just in the premiership. Now I wouldn't say there's many top quality centre backs around and many of those are ageing - Bonucci, Pique, Chiellini, Kompany etc.
BrainOfLevy
Michael Carrick
Indeed.
I think this comes down to whether or not PSG want to pay 180k per week for a 29 year old center back that hasn't been in his best form for almost a year, and hasn't been in good form because of injuries for the last 6 months. If they think he is worth 180k given those circumstances, I wouldn't blame Toby for going and I wouldn't blame us for selling.
But the reason we are negotiating is because there may be other CBs out there that these clubs can go for which may represent better long term value. If that happens, it isn't certain they will move for Toby on strong enough terms that they can pay the transfer fee we demand, or will pay him the wages his agent is demanding. Given the clause coming into effect next summer, we may as well demand a high fee for the set back of losing him a year early, otherwise we may as well then keep him another year. And if we do that, Toby risks going another year on his 50k a week, at which point he is 30, at which point Sanchez may well have truly eclipsed him and he may not have been in his best form for getting on for 2 years.
It's a fantastically intriguing scenario, and for what it's worth I think Toby's agent is fantastic. Levy probably loves sparring against him.
If our wage structure goes up this summer, there will only be a couple of clubs that would move for Toby on strong terms that would offer him genuine 'big final payday' money way above what we could. I see them as PSG and United. I can see United moving for him just to 'weaken us' (and to be honest, if they want to pay over the odds for an injured, ageing center back that hasn't played in the majority of our big wins this year, they can be my guest) but I don't know that he is a Mourinho type of defender. Bailly, and ironically Sanchez, is more his type, so Toby could be going there to play in a system that may not get the best out of him. They also seem to believe in Smalling and Rojo, and I'm not sure they'd risk putting them down in order to bring Toby in. But as I said, if they did, I'm not actually that fussed. PSG...are a club that have the money to afford him and pay him what he wants, and we don't have to strengthen a rival by selling him there. But, they also have the money to afford whoever the biggest defensive prospect aged ~25 in world football is, which just represents a better investment.
Toby is well within his rights to push for the absolute maximum he can get, and there is definitely something 'afoot' here. He may well end up leaving, but the brilliant thing is the club has a strategy. The payment for Sanchez (and subsequent trust Poch showed in him, and that faith being rewarded in performances) has proved a masterstroke, because it has massively strengthened our hand. This isn't old style Spurs, everything falling apart if we lose Carrick / Berbatov / Modric / Bale, this is us doing business on our terms. It's actually pretty fantastic to see - the brilliant thing is we have progressed at such a rate that Toby won't find too many better places than ours to sign that new contract. A really intriguing game of poker with a lot of moving parts, and there's no man I'd rather have holding our hand than Levy.
StephenH
David Ginola
Even Chiellini was young once up on a time. Thats when to get them.