Tim Sherwood…gone \o/

[spurs' magna carter]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

442 does not work long term, especially against big teams with astute managers. I actually wanted TS at first but now im worried. WE WILL GET FOUND OUT.

a quote from a couple of not so bad managers

"Look, if I have a triangle in midfield – player x behind and two others just in front – I will always have an advantage against a pure 4-4-2 where the central midfielders are side by side. That’s because I will always have an extra man. It starts with player x, who is between the lines. If nobody comes to him he can see the whole pitch and has time. If he gets closed down it means one of the two other central midfielders is open. If they are closed down and the other team’s wingers come inside to help, it means there is space now for us on the flank, either for our own wingers or for our full-backs. There is nothing a pure 4-4-2 can do to stop things’."

"4-3-3, one-touch combination football. defence, midfield and attacking lines play much closer to each other – increased mobility, fluidity and synergy in midfield has allowed their passing game to flourish, as well as enhancing their creativity and control. But the philosophy is the same: create triangles on the pitch, engineer a numerical advantage in midfield, and create danger from that."

Personally 352 or 433 is what we need. I would love to see us play 352, it covers us in every department (unfortunatley leaves out my fav players lennon and lamela) plus will confuse everyone as no managers prepare for 352 these days.

Always?

:-k

 

[Jordinho]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Personally I think you can make any formation work with the right personnel and ensuring the players all buy into the philosophy and are 100% committed to it. If they understand hat they're role is in the overall picture then any formation can be effective.

Which is why Holtby in a central 2 is kind of doomed. You need someone a bit more disciplined position wise to win back the ball and give it to Modric Eriksen.

 

[Bullet]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

352 always looks great on paper... but in a match it falls apart because the players aren't quite sure who should do what.

They have 0.5 seconds to react to a situation, so they go tight and a runner gets in behind, or they drop off and nobody is pressuring the ball.

We've seen it many times before.

At least with 442 everybody knows what they are doing and puts in a big effort to cover their area of the pitch

 

[Rossi22]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

442 does not work long term, especially against big teams with astute managers. I actually wanted TS at first but now im worried. WE WILL GET FOUND OUT.

a quote from a couple of not so bad managers

"Look, if I have a triangle in midfield – player x behind and two others just in front – I will always have an advantage against a pure 4-4-2 where the central midfielders are side by side. That’s because I will always have an extra man. It starts with player x, who is between the lines. If nobody comes to him he can see the whole pitch and has time. If he gets closed down it means one of the two other central midfielders is open. If they are closed down and the other team’s wingers come inside to help, it means there is space now for us on the flank, either for our own wingers or for our full-backs. There is nothing a pure 4-4-2 can do to stop things’."

"4-3-3, one-touch combination football. defence, midfield and attacking lines play much closer to each other – increased mobility, fluidity and synergy in midfield has allowed their passing game to flourish, as well as enhancing their creativity and control. But the philosophy is the same: create triangles on the pitch, engineer a numerical advantage in midfield, and create danger from that."

Personally 352 or 433 is what we need. I would love to see us play 352, it covers us in every department (unfortunatley leaves out my fav players lennon and lamela) plus will confuse everyone as no managers prepare for 352 these days.

Square beats Triangle;

------- Yaya Toure ---- XXXXX ---- Fernandinho -------
-------- XXXXXXX ------------------ XXXXXXX -------
---------- Silva ----------------------- Nasri -----------

Replace the City players with Sandro, Dembele, Lamela and Eriksen and we could do the same. I wouldn't do it with Tim's current choices though.

 

[Jarrell89]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Square beats Triangle;

------- Yaya Toure ---- XXXXX ---- Fernandinho -------
-------- XXXXXXX ------------------ XXXXXXX -------
---------- Silva ----------------------- Nasri -----------

Replace the City players with Sandro, Dembele, Lamela and Eriksen and we could do the same. I wouldn't do it with Tim's current choices though.

Spot on.

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[Bullet]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Not to forget that octagon beats heptagon beats hexagon beats pentagon beats square beats triangle beats pair beats onesie

 

[Jordinho]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

I think I just cracked it:

 

[Bullet]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Nice. Or we could play a nonagon with Sandro in the middle.

None of the opposition would dare go into the central arena with Sandro, so we could shut the game down completely.

 

[scaramanga]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

352 always looks great on paper... but in a match it falls apart because the players aren't quite sure who should do what.

They have 0.5 seconds to react to a situation, so they go tight and a runner gets in behind, or they drop off and nobody is pressuring the ball.

We've seen it many times before.

At least with 442 everybody knows what they are doing and puts in a big effort to cover their area of the pitch

Only players who've grown up with 4-4-2 will know what to do naturally, and only semi-departed English players will be confused by other formations. Seeing as they're mostly over - priced and under-skilled anyway, it shouldn't be a problem.

 

[Bullet]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Only players who've grown up with 4-4-2 will know what to do naturally, and only semi-departed English players will be confused by other formations.

Not true.

 

[milo]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

...I also think it’s a little absurd that people still talk about 4-3-3, 4-4-2 and all that. To my mind the modern formation is 9-1. You’ve got nine who defend and nine who attack. You need to have a block of players, even when you’re on the attack. You can’t have a team occupying an area of 40 or 50 metres. You just don’t see that any more. These days you have to be compact, with everyone in a maximum of 20 or 30 metres.

http://www.fifa.com/world-match-centre/news/newsid/214/111/4/index.html

 

[scaramanga]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Not true.

Maybe not in all cases but I'd say it's a fair generalisation.

You can't tell me that Lamela gets confused when taken out of a 4-4-2, whilst equally the most likely to be confused by a 3-5-2 are probably Dawson and Walker.

 

[the dza]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Square beats Triangle;

------- Yaya Toure ---- XXXXX ---- Fernandinho -------
-------- XXXXXXX ------------------ XXXXXXX -------
---------- Silva ----------------------- Nasri -----------

Replace the City players with Sandro, Dembele, Lamela and Eriksen and we could do the same. I wouldn't do it with Tim's current choices though.

3-4-3 with Sandro in the back three/midfield, could give us THE SORTOFPENTAGON!

--------------------------------------lloris
------------------------chiriches----------------vertonghen
-------------------------------------sandro
---------walker-----------paulinho-------------dembele-------------rose

--------------------------lamela--------------eriksen

-------------------------------------ade



Actually, it doesn't look a bad side...

 

[Modric THFC]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Which is why Holtby in a central 2 is kind of doomed. You need someone a bit more disciplined position wise to win back the ball and give it to Modric Eriksen.

Holtby's only viable position at this stage is out wide somewhere or as the extra man in a 3 man central midfield.

 

[Modric THFC]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

3-4-3 with Sandro in the back three/midfield, could give us THE SORTOFPENTAGON!

--------------------------------------lloris
------------------------chiriches----------------vertonghen
-------------------------------------sandro
---------walker-----------paulinho-------------dembele-------------rose

--------------------------lamela--------------eriksen

-------------------------------------ade



Actually, it doesn't look a bad side...

433 with no creativity in the middle I thought we were over that.

 

[the dza]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

433 with no creativity in the middle I thought we were over that.

I always knew that 'The Pentagon' was no good...

 

[Jordinho]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Holtby's only viable position at this stage is out wide somewhere or as the extra man in a 3 man central midfield.

Which is something most of us have agreed on prior to the WBA game. Don't understand why Sherwood actually had to try it out to see that.

 

[veron23]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Always?

????

arsenal play 4231 which is 2 TWO IN MIDFIELD!!!!! the 3 behind the 1 are attackers not midfielders. so in this game it was 2 vs 2. clearly you don't get it.

 

[scaramanga]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Always?

????

arsenal play 4231 which is 2 TWO IN MIDFIELD!!!!! the 3 behind the 1 are attackers not midfielders. so in this game it was 2 vs 2. clearly you don't get it.

Which is what I'm told we played under AVB. So we were too attacking under AVB?

 

[Hootnow]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

I know a lot of people are either distraught that AVB is gone/ that Sherwood has been hired/ both but surely you have to acknowledge that, regardless of whether his actual tactics are complete ********, we have not lined up in the classic 4-4-2 under Sherwood?