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Tim Sherwood…gone \o/
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Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
These are different times though, you are not afforded as much time any more. Hoddle was supposed to be the one for us, appointed around the same time as Moyes.
These are different times though, you are not afforded as much time any more. Hoddle was supposed to be the one for us, appointed around the same time as Moyes.
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Kevin Scott
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
To respond to the earlier post about the criticism of Sherwoods non protection of the CB's. We all know hes worked at youth level, we know 10 days isnt enough to judge him in direct comparison to AVB. But the fact hes so naive to play without a DM shows a lot about the man, an amateur.
As has been posted in the DM thread, there isnt a single top team in the world that plays without one, the results are there for all to see.
Honestly cannot wait for these 18 months to be over. I've never been so against any single person at Spurs but this guy is a cowboy. (I do of course hope for the love of the club that I am proved wrong)
To respond to the earlier post about the criticism of Sherwoods non protection of the CB's. We all know hes worked at youth level, we know 10 days isnt enough to judge him in direct comparison to AVB. But the fact hes so naive to play without a DM shows a lot about the man, an amateur.
As has been posted in the DM thread, there isnt a single top team in the world that plays without one, the results are there for all to see.
Honestly cannot wait for these 18 months to be over. I've never been so against any single person at Spurs but this guy is a cowboy. (I do of course hope for the love of the club that I am proved wrong)
ArnieArdiles
Milenko Acimovic
Pirate55
The Last Man Standing 17/18
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
I am liking your willingness to give Tim a chance. Too early to tell yet whether he has what it takes, but all true Spurs want us to succeed as a team and as a club.
I am liking your willingness to give Tim a chance. Too early to tell yet whether he has what it takes, but all true Spurs want us to succeed as a team and as a club.
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Nick Barmby
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
=D> as well as Nigeyman's great post. Have stayed off posting for a couple of days as the hysteria against Tim Sherwood has been unbelievable. The "AVB fan club" seem to think cutting Sherwood a bit of slack is like being disloyal to their man. For fooks sake he has 4 points from 2 games and personally I feel a bit more luck and we would have won yesterday. Unfortunately it seems like AVB has used up our quota of lucky penalties
=D> as well as Nigeyman's great post. Have stayed off posting for a couple of days as the hysteria against Tim Sherwood has been unbelievable. The "AVB fan club" seem to think cutting Sherwood a bit of slack is like being disloyal to their man. For fooks sake he has 4 points from 2 games and personally I feel a bit more luck and we would have won yesterday. Unfortunately it seems like AVB has used up our quota of lucky penalties
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Michael Carrick
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
It's this kind of post that would just lead to more division, because it's very easy for the 'AVB fan club' to say that the 'Harry fan club' did not give AVB a chance to succeed and that if AVB's team had put in that performance yesterday against a severely weakened and changed West Brom, the 'Harry fan club' would have jumped all over it as evidence of 'turgid football' and a far removal from the 'Tottenham way'.
It's nonsense. Let's not do it.
It's this kind of post that would just lead to more division, because it's very easy for the 'AVB fan club' to say that the 'Harry fan club' did not give AVB a chance to succeed and that if AVB's team had put in that performance yesterday against a severely weakened and changed West Brom, the 'Harry fan club' would have jumped all over it as evidence of 'turgid football' and a far removal from the 'Tottenham way'.
It's nonsense. Let's not do it.
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Nick Barmby
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
I was never in the "Harry fan club" mate. I will say that you seem more balanced but there are others who cannot see past AVB long enough to give Sherwood a chance. Personally, despite my reservations over his critisisms of Hoddle over 10 years ago, I am really excited with having this relatively young, English coach who exudes self confidence and am happy to give him til the end of the season. I do not think our performances suggest otherwise, albeit he has some very tough games coming up.
I was never in the "Harry fan club" mate. I will say that you seem more balanced but there are others who cannot see past AVB long enough to give Sherwood a chance. Personally, despite my reservations over his critisisms of Hoddle over 10 years ago, I am really excited with having this relatively young, English coach who exudes self confidence and am happy to give him til the end of the season. I do not think our performances suggest otherwise, albeit he has some very tough games coming up.
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I can guarantee that the WBA result will be a flimsy memory if we win against Stoke and will be totally forgotten if we put in a good performance against United.
I think we will do well in both games and in fact think we will win both games, RVP or not. If we only get a draw at United we will go into the Arsenal game with confidence.
Those are the 2 games that are uppermost in Sherwood's thoughts IMO. I expect a stronger but still "experimental" starting lineup against Stoke but a close to best fit XI finishing line up.
I can guarantee that the WBA result will be a flimsy memory if we win against Stoke and will be totally forgotten if we put in a good performance against United.
I think we will do well in both games and in fact think we will win both games, RVP or not. If we only get a draw at United we will go into the Arsenal game with confidence.
Those are the 2 games that are uppermost in Sherwood's thoughts IMO. I expect a stronger but still "experimental" starting lineup against Stoke but a close to best fit XI finishing line up.
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Jimmy McCormick
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
Sherwood is not as tactically stupid as some of you want to believe. The dm thing is bull****. you don't need an out and out tackler at home to west ****ing brom. I'm sure Ferguson played cleverly and giggs as a duo in midfield a number of times whist they won the league last year.
Sherwood is not as tactically stupid as some of you want to believe. The dm thing is bull****. you don't need an out and out tackler at home to west ****ing brom. I'm sure Ferguson played cleverly and giggs as a duo in midfield a number of times whist they won the league last year.
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Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
With Tim in charge, we've more chance of finishing 10th than 4th IMO. And I doubt I'm the only one thinking that.
Stopped reading this post after that.
With Tim in charge, we've more chance of finishing 10th than 4th IMO. And I doubt I'm the only one thinking that.
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Kevin Scott
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
Clearly, you have your best distributer of the ball giving away silly free kicks instead.
Clearly, you have your best distributer of the ball giving away silly free kicks instead.
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
The fact is, you along with everybody else on here has absolutely no idea just how good a coach Sherwood is and will become. The only ones close to knowing are those that work with him or have worked with him and all seem to hold him in high regard....
The fact is, you along with everybody else on here has absolutely no idea just how good a coach Sherwood is and will become. The only ones close to knowing are those that work with him or have worked with him and all seem to hold him in high regard....
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
AVB made the same mistake at home to West Ham. Ravel Morrison loves picking the ball up in those spaces and it cost us having Paulinho-Dembele (two forward-first midfielders) in the middle against them.
Stoke should theoretically be one of the few sides in this division against whom we can get away without having a defensive midfielder playing, because they don't have anyone particularly threatening in the attacking midfield role.
What a stupid point about Man Utd however. They bypassed the midfield often because of the fact they had two world class strikers to do the business for them. We can't expect Adebayor and Soldado to have a similar effect.
Yes, you do need a defensive midfielder in most games in this league. West Brom are a team that play with a dangerous attacking midfielder (Sessegnon) who always picks up spaces between midfield and attack. It is tactically naive not to put in a Sandro or Capoue for such a game, or to even instruct someone to play deeper than usual.
AVB made the same mistake at home to West Ham. Ravel Morrison loves picking the ball up in those spaces and it cost us having Paulinho-Dembele (two forward-first midfielders) in the middle against them.
Stoke should theoretically be one of the few sides in this division against whom we can get away without having a defensive midfielder playing, because they don't have anyone particularly threatening in the attacking midfield role.
What a stupid point about Man Utd however. They bypassed the midfield often because of the fact they had two world class strikers to do the business for them. We can't expect Adebayor and Soldado to have a similar effect.
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
Yes and I was willing to give him a chance but in his games so far we have played kick and rush players out wide and played without much defensive nous in the middle. Surely if he was at all clued up he would realise you simply cannot win many football matches at this level by playing such a ridiculously offensive team, especially as our front five or six aren't exactly the greatest of players.
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
Firstly its been a week since he took over, you can't expect the team to be playing how he wants to in that time. Be thankful we have scored 5 goals in his 3 games,in fact be thankful we at least look like having a goal threat for once!
Our front five or six aren't the greatest? Well what on earth would you call our defence that has been leaking left,right and centre of late?! Fact is he's inherited a patched up back 4, we have a lot of injuries at CB and a goalkeeper who's far from on top of his game so he can't exactly rely on the defence. He's no mug, despite what some on here wish to think and I doubt he would be producing the same tactics against the big boys. Let's at least give him a decent run before really judging him...
Firstly its been a week since he took over, you can't expect the team to be playing how he wants to in that time. Be thankful we have scored 5 goals in his 3 games,in fact be thankful we at least look like having a goal threat for once!
Our front five or six aren't the greatest? Well what on earth would you call our defence that has been leaking left,right and centre of late?! Fact is he's inherited a patched up back 4, we have a lot of injuries at CB and a goalkeeper who's far from on top of his game so he can't exactly rely on the defence. He's no mug, despite what some on here wish to think and I doubt he would be producing the same tactics against the big boys. Let's at least give him a decent run before really judging him...
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
This is a great post Chancer. I am guilty of perhaps knee jerking with regards to the appointment of Tim Sherwood and his band of merry men. I think it's madness that right now, he's playing without a more defensively minded player in the side, but that's the ramblings of a "lad on an internet forum".
I think the sacking of AVB and the appointment of Sherwood has sparked a huge backlash of those from within the game attacking the likes of AVB in favour of a "proper football man". Ex-pros like Lineker and Merson are happy to see a young English coach who knows the game inside out.
Wilson picked up on this point in his gg-criticised article:
This whole notion of you have to have played the game to have a valid opinion doesn't sit right with me. It always reads as a slap in the face of people like AVB and Mourinho who are studious about the game of football, and more importantly, us, the fans.
We are obsessive about this game. We absolutely adore this club. We watch every game, judge every player, analyze every detail to death at times. I think I personally qualify as a real "football man" myself! lol.
AVB has always come across as a real student of the game, I think he was heavily influenced by the likes of Van Gaal, Arrigo Saachi, Rinus Michels and real innovators of the game in terms of tactics. Football however has many facets which need to be addressed in order to be successful. Tactics, fitness, talent, not to mention psychology of players and the mindset of a club.
Ultimately for all a persons knowledge about the game and ideals about the way you want to play football, you will always be finally judged by your results and style of football. Perhaps it was correct to get rid of AVB, personally I would have given it until the end of the season, I feel he deserved that at the least. But that's just me.
But I do feel I'm perfectly within my rights to make a call on whether I feel our side is missing a defensive minded midfielder to bring a better balance to our side or not. Sherwood may well be innovative in his thinking here. I am happy to be proven wrong on this.
To be honest, I've read a fair bit about Saachi and his footballing philosophies too, and I subscribe to the school of thought that we don't need these specialist positions within our side but instead should have players capable of every job on the field. So defensive responsibilities should be carried out by the whole team as well as attacking duties.
This is a great post Chancer. I am guilty of perhaps knee jerking with regards to the appointment of Tim Sherwood and his band of merry men. I think it's madness that right now, he's playing without a more defensively minded player in the side, but that's the ramblings of a "lad on an internet forum".
I think the sacking of AVB and the appointment of Sherwood has sparked a huge backlash of those from within the game attacking the likes of AVB in favour of a "proper football man". Ex-pros like Lineker and Merson are happy to see a young English coach who knows the game inside out.
Wilson picked up on this point in his gg-criticised article:
This whole notion of you have to have played the game to have a valid opinion doesn't sit right with me. It always reads as a slap in the face of people like AVB and Mourinho who are studious about the game of football, and more importantly, us, the fans.
We are obsessive about this game. We absolutely adore this club. We watch every game, judge every player, analyze every detail to death at times. I think I personally qualify as a real "football man" myself! lol.
AVB has always come across as a real student of the game, I think he was heavily influenced by the likes of Van Gaal, Arrigo Saachi, Rinus Michels and real innovators of the game in terms of tactics. Football however has many facets which need to be addressed in order to be successful. Tactics, fitness, talent, not to mention psychology of players and the mindset of a club.
Ultimately for all a persons knowledge about the game and ideals about the way you want to play football, you will always be finally judged by your results and style of football. Perhaps it was correct to get rid of AVB, personally I would have given it until the end of the season, I feel he deserved that at the least. But that's just me.
But I do feel I'm perfectly within my rights to make a call on whether I feel our side is missing a defensive minded midfielder to bring a better balance to our side or not. Sherwood may well be innovative in his thinking here. I am happy to be proven wrong on this.
To be honest, I've read a fair bit about Saachi and his footballing philosophies too, and I subscribe to the school of thought that we don't need these specialist positions within our side but instead should have players capable of every job on the field. So defensive responsibilities should be carried out by the whole team as well as attacking duties.