Tim Sherwood…gone \o/

[diego_maradona]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Well it's not like Sandro was an option was he?

Capoue was

 

[diego_maradona]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Jonathan Wilson sounds like a little bitch whose belief system gets shaken everytime someone wins playing 442.

Eriksen and Dembele in centre mid, with Sig and Lamela coming narrow from wide areas is, apparently, "a swift blast of Blackburn Rovers circa 1995." Or, "caution-be-damned, early-90s 4-4-2, fill-the-box, want-it-more-boys, drunks-slugging-it-out-in-a-pub-car-park approach." Well then, I guess that's what Pellegrini has been doing too, without knowing it. Or does it just apply to coaches who aren't in Jonathan's 'in-crowd'?

He writes a lot of pseudo-intellectual t0ss, can't stand him. No doubt, that will make a few posters here burst into tears and furiously bang away at the keyboard -- they can also f**k off.

Why so angry?

Have you even read much of his work before?

 

[Rossi22]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Capoue was

I guess so, although Sherwood admitted he hadn't seen enough of him. Plus he said he wanted players in there who will keep the ball, not just ones who can win it back - some will like that attitude and some won't I'm sure.

 

[the dza]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Why so angry?

I'm not angry, I just swear a lot. And I dismiss that article, as it's typical of a lot of the crap that he's written.

Blackburn in 1995 played 442, direct football, got it wide to orthodox wingers (Wilcox and Ripley) and had a sturdy central midfield of Sherwood (box to box) and Batty (Holding/defensive player). Shearer and Sutton upfront, that was a typically British 442.

Against Southampton, we played played with 2 wide men who tucked in on their stronger side (Lamela and Sig), with Eriksen and Dembele in midfield. Eriksen is a pure passer, and Dembele is quite adventurous, even as the most defensive of the midfielders starting.

The whole article reeks of snobbery: "How dare Spurs appoint someone who doesn't talk about the game the way I think it should be talked about. I'll just write up about drunks in a carpark and Blackburn in 1995"

Ignoring the fact that Emirates Marketing Project have played a 442 this season and have also had a certain lack of caution in their approach. Their wide players tuck in narrow, their fullbacks attack and their central midfielders can pass/score and do a bit of everything. Now they have better players and a better balance in midfield than we currently do, but I don't see any accusations of "442 fahkin run about a bit lads" levelled at Pellegrini. And they have Negredo, who is far nearer to Shearer/Sutton style than anybody we have upfront. But that's because of the snobbery that oozes out of pr1cks like Wilson and his ilk.

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

Re: Tim Sherwood -Your Manager! 18 month contract confirmed!

But don't you realise he cannot succeed, he is just an old boy with no tactical skill, he has sweet talked and manipulated Levy to rise from mere part-time member of the backroom staff to manager!?

I really don't know why these people bother! Sado-masochism perhaps? Attention-whoring? Regardless I think a few of us more rational and less biased posters could do with following the old advice:

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It is a bit like people saying they want to cut the throats of rich people and not even getting a ban, but if another poster had similar about another group of people they would have received a ban. This website has jumped the shark mate.

 

[diego_maradona]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

I guess so, although Sherwood admitted he hadn't seen enough of him. Plus he said he wanted players in there who will keep the ball, not just ones who can win it back - some will like that attitude and some won't I'm sure.

If he can get Eriksen playing like Modric and holding his own in a 4-4-2, then I'll be happy to see that. I think to do that, we need a Siggy or Chadli who give extra cover from the left and can make it 3 in midfield without the ball.

Huddlestone and Modric to many peoples surprise did actually work. It was pretty gung-ho though with:

-----------Pav/Crouch------Defoe------------
Bale------Modric--------Huddlestone---Lennon

It can of course work. I think our front two have to put in one hell of a shift though every game, as they did v Arsenal in that Danny rose game.

A shift in formation has changed a lot within the squad now. Suddenly Siggy, Eriksen, Lamela, Lennon, Townsend, Chadli are all competing for less spaces within the side. Same with Demebele, Sandro, Capoue and Paulinho.

 

[the dza]

Re: Tim Sherwood -Your Manager! 18 month contract confirmed!

It is a bit like people saying they want to cut the throats of rich people and not even getting a ban, but if another poster had similar about another group of people they would have received a ban. This website has jumped the shark mate.

Yes of course, everything I say should be taken in the utmost seriousness. I've killed at least 10 rich people just today.

Banning you say? You side like one of those EU bureaucrats.

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

Re: Tim Sherwood -Your Manager! 18 month contract confirmed!

Yes of course, everything I say should be taken in the utmost seriousness. I've killed at least 10 rich people just today.

Banning you say? You side like one of those EU bureaucrats.

I do not want to respond to you and shall not do so again but i stand by everything i said in my post. If you have a problem contact an mod/admin. People of a different political view get banned for that but under Milo and steffs watch that would never happen. This site jumped the shark and is not impartial.

 

[the dza]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Dry your tears you little girl.

 

[harr1984]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

If he can get Eriksen playing like Modric and holding his own in a 4-4-2, then I'll be happy to see that. I think to do that, we need a Siggy or Chadli who give extra cover from the left and can make it 3 in midfield without the ball.

Huddlestone and Modric to many peoples surprise did actually work. It was pretty gung-ho though with:

-----------Pav/Crouch------Defoe------------
Bale------Modric--------Huddlestone---Lennon

It can of course work. I think our front two have to put in one hell of a shift though every game, as they did v Arsenal in that Danny rose game.

A shift in formation has changed a lot within the squad now. Suddenly Siggy, Eriksen, Lamela, Lennon, Townsend, Chadli are all competing for less spaces within the side. Same with Demebele, Sandro, Capoue and Paulinho.

That's assuming that Sherwood plays 4-4-2 every game which I don't think he will. Listening to him talk I get the feeling he's more flexible in his approach although I think he will use that formation in our two upcoming home games. Away to Man Utd Im not so sure....

 

[Paxtonloudmouth]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Dry your tears you little girl.

Geezer. Keep on that class fight my friend.

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Geezer. Keep on that class fight my friend.

What exactly is ok about saying you want to cut off peoples head?? i got a ban in the summer for saying that i thought bale looked like a puff and that i did not have a problem with it but i was sure he must have had least ****ed off a few people if not sucked them off. That is worse then saying you want to cut peoples heads off?

As for class war, jesus have we not moved on from that should we not if we are talking about the economy see how to make it better for everyone. The is barely such a thing as class anymore.

I understand others different political views and the have been some good debates that did not end in argument on the random side recently but this aggressive tirade by certain posters is more then ever got Leedspurs banned, and im sure it was by the same people that reported him.

So very sad that people on this site can get away with behaviour that gets others bans. This was a really good site for years....

 

[diego_maradona]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

I'm not angry, I just swear a lot. And I dismiss that article, as it's typical of a lot of the crap that he's written.

Blackburn in 1995 played 442, direct football, got it wide to orthodox wingers (Wilcox and Ripley) and had a sturdy central midfield of Sherwood (box to box) and Batty (Holding/defensive player). Shearer and Sutton upfront, that was a typically British 442.

Against Southampton, we played played with 2 wide men who tucked in on their stronger side (Lamela and Sig), with Eriksen and Dembele in midfield. Eriksen is a pure passer, and Dembele is quite adventurous, even as the most defensive of the midfielders starting.

The whole article reeks of snobbery: "How dare Spurs appoint someone who doesn't talk about the game the way I think it should be talked about. I'll just write up about drunks in a carpark and Blackburn in 1995"

Ignoring the fact that Emirates Marketing Project have played a 442 this season and have also had a certain lack of caution in their approach. Their wide players tuck in narrow, their fullbacks attack and their central midfielders can pass/score and do a bit of everything. Now they have better players and a better balance in midfield than we currently do, but I don't see any accusations of "442 fahkin run about a bit lads" levelled at Pellegrini. And they have Negredo, who is far nearer to Shearer/Sutton style than anybody we have upfront. But that's because of the snobbery that oozes out of pr1cks like Wilson and his ilk.

Don't agree at all. You read it as snobbery. It is gung-ho make no mistake about it. I think it is a great analogy, drunks in a car park slugging it out, trading blows. It's entertaining. His whole book inverting the pyramid talks about every formation you can imagine. He has spent a hell of a lot of time looking into what he has written about so I would think it is a pretty educated piece.

Football management recently had become a game for smart, young, clever men who espouse theories of play and specialize in analyzing data: the focus is far more on the management than on the football. It's no longer about instinct, having a feel for the game, knowing which players need an arm around the shoulder and which a slap in the face to get them going. And there is resistance to that, partly because football is an instinctively conservative game and partly because British society generally is suspicious of intellectualism.

This is it in a nutshell. There is a big backlash from those within the game who are against any one who intellectualise the game. Lineker in his tweets always recently alludes to Sherwood being a real football man, and AVB being a huge risk. All the footballers and ex-pros are throwing their weight behind the appointment because it's a win for the footballer. Goes back to the Harry quote about formations not being important.

Blackburn in 1995 worked, as did Man Utd and Cole and Yorke up top. But times move on. What current team is successful with 4-4-2? People mention Liverpool, City as a throwback to two up front. But neither have own anything yet. Despite city's form being imperious at home, they are pretty wide open away from home.

Barca, Real, Bayern, Dortmund, All the top English sides in the last few years, none have deployed 2 up top. Not really, not like the good old days. It's because football evolves as much as ex pros don't like to acknowledge. Arsenal completely bossed most of our games for so long when we played 4-4-2 because they often outnumbered us and passed around our midfield duo.

But when you attack, the benefit is there to see. You can definitely hurt the opposition. It can definitely still work, but Wilson is right to acknowledge it as a throwback to the 90s. Can you argue and say 4-4-2 is tactically sensible in a game where you want to keep it tight and try and nick a win? I think there's times when to use it and times not to.

 

[diego_maradona]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Just to clarify though, I don't actually sit on one side of the fence of or the other. (Fence sitting as usual).

I actually love that "feel for a game" that footballers have. It's the reason we love the game. We didn't grab a ball at playtime at school and say right we're playing 3-5-2. No. Instead we tried to replicate Zidane's touch, or a Ronaldo step over, or an outrageous Hoddle trick.

 

[Rossi22]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

If he can get Eriksen playing like Modric and holding his own in a 4-4-2, then I'll be happy to see that. I think to do that, we need a Siggy or Chadli who give extra cover from the left and can make it 3 in midfield without the ball.

Huddlestone and Modric to many peoples surprise did actually work. It was pretty gung-ho though with:

-----------Pav/Crouch------Defoe------------
Bale------Modric--------Huddlestone---Lennon

It can of course work. I think our front two have to put in one hell of a shift though every game, as they did v Arsenal in that Danny rose game.

A shift in formation has changed a lot within the squad now. Suddenly Siggy, Eriksen, Lamela, Lennon, Townsend, Chadli are all competing for less spaces within the side. Same with Demebele, Sandro, Capoue and Paulinho.

I probably wouldn't persist with Eriksen there purely because I don't trust any of our other options to consistently deliver on the left, I can take Sigurdsson occasionally and Chadli if he performs like he did on Sunday but as you know, the team I've wanted to see was Sandro and Dembele central with Lamela right and Eriksen left tucked in - not in all games, but at home generally and in some away games. Tim's first game in charge(I don't count West Ham) had us set up as close to that as we've seen all season so I'm very enthused that we'll see the above in future. I think another comment which you agreed with me on was that I want to see Eriksen, Lamela and Soldado play every(or as near to) game from now on, under AVB the three had never been on the pitch together, whilst Sherwood did it in game 1, plus bringing Ade back which was something else I'd wanted to see. So yeah, I'm very pleased so far and that's without mentioning the ballsy move to bring on a kid into a game like that, AVB(sorry to keep coming back to him, I'll stop after this) wouldn't even risk it in a couple of redundant Europa League games but instead chose to wear out the likes of Dembele again who really could've done with putting his feet up at home.

 

[thfcsteff]

Re: Tim Sherwood -Your Manager! 18 month contract confirmed!

Its ironic, the same people that were telling those AVB 'haters' to give it time, are the ones who are moaning about Timmy boy without giving him a chance let alone time. Utterly pathetic as far as im concerned and realy have shown themselves up. All for petty pathetic reasons such as (and im paraphrasing here) 'I dont like how he looks' - ****ing hell.

I hope he gets us top four and ill back him from the start.

I agree. We need to back our manager and give him a chance. I know we will, as fans and supporters, discuss the past in an infinite loop, but it really doesn't mean much. Sherwood's the man so we need to back him, and the club, right now IMO…

 

[thfcsteff]

Re: Tim Sherwood -Your Manager! 18 month contract confirmed!

But don't you realise he cannot succeed, he is just an old boy with no tactical skill, he has sweet talked and manipulated Levy to rise from mere part-time member of the backroom staff to manager!?

I really don't know why these people bother! Sado-masochism perhaps? Attention-whoring? Regardless I think a few of us more rational and less biased posters could do with following the old advice:

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:ross:
Brilliant little badge there Pandy

 

[diego_maradona]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

I probably wouldn't persist with Eriksen there purely because I don't trust any of our other options to consistently deliver on the left, I can take Sigurdsson occasionally and Chadli if he performs like he did on Sunday but as you know, the team I've wanted to see was Sandro and Dembele central with Lamela right and Eriksen left tucked in - not in all games, but at home generally and in some away games. Tim's first game in charge(I don't count West Ham) had us set up as close to that as we've seen all season so I'm very enthused that we'll see the above in future. I think another comment which you agreed with me on was that I want to see Eriksen, Lamela and Soldado play every(or as near to) game from now on, under AVB the three had never been on the pitch together, whilst Sherwood did it in game 1, plus bringing Ade back which was another thing I'd wanted to happen. So yeah, I'm very pleased so far and that's without mentioning the ballsy move to bring on a kid into a game like that, AVB(sorry to keep coming back to him, I'll stop after this) wouldn't even risk it in a couple of redundant Europa League games but instead chose to wear out the likes of Dembele again who really could've done with putting his feet up at home.

Good post, I agree with all of that. Even AVB not playing these kids in a euro game that meant nothing. Although the flip side to that argument is as he once pointed out, (playing) time was the most precious commodity for those players. He knew we weren't playing well and every game brought an opportunity to bed them in better into a cohesive unit. So I got perhaps why he chose to still play a strong side.

 

[thfcsteff]

Re: Tim Sherwood -Your Manager! 18 month contract confirmed!

It's even accepted when one says he'd rather we lose when Sherwood is in charge. Can you imagine the reaction if an 'anti' AVB poster said this when he first arrived?

GB literally got nobody (but me) questioning his ridiculous posts about wanting Southampton and WBA to win. Would this be the case if i stated in an OMT how much i wanted us to lose when AVB was in charge? would it ****.

I didn't even notice that post TBH.

 

[diego_maradona]

Re: Tim Sherwood -Your Manager! 18 month contract confirmed!

I do not want to respond to you and shall not do so again but i stand by everything i said in my post. If you have a problem contact an mod/admin. People of a different political view get banned for that but under Milo and steffs watch that would never happen. This site jumped the shark and is not impartial.

Please don't discuss mod actions in open threads. Not that we need to justify anything, but I do feel we should clarify that we always try to discuss as a collective what action to take when a post is reported or not. Please feel free to PM any mod if you wish to discuss this further