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Thomas Frank - Head Coach

I mean, it has to be rubbish?

Does it? Do you not think we were instructed last season to not take on long range shots? It was very noticeable to me, especially with Son

This is the way football is going - high percentage chances = good, low percentage = bad and it isn't something new this season.
 
After 16 games we are now 10th with 22 points, under a very bad manager last year with a weaker side and more injuries were 10th with 23 points. Getting rid of Ange was totally the right thing to do, but surely we all have to be asking ourselves is Frank the right man?
 
Does it? Do you not think we were instructed last season to not take on long range shots? It was very noticeable to me, especially with Son

This is the way football is going - high percentage chances = good, low percentage = bad and it isn't something new this season.
I agree it seems to be a way football is going. Perhaps data driven.

Personally I think a variety is good. Lack of that leads to predictability and even though a high percentage chance is in isolation better than a low percentage chance creating and actually shooting in lower percentage chances is a good thing overall - with moderation of course.

What the data doesn't quantify (so far, as far as I know) is what happens when those lower percentage chances aren't scored. Building pressure over time, corners and set pieces as well as defenders having to worry about more things, being put in tougher decisions where more mistakes will be made.

To me last season with Son it seemed more like he wasn't in those situations than him but taking opportunities to shoot. Similarly this season I'm not seeing a lot of chances to shoot from range not taken, but more that we're not often in those situations in the first place.
 
Do we really know if Frank has banned long range goal efforts? If so, I'd like to see a protest! Range for Tottenham, who's with me!
Everyone is forgetting we rarely shot from outside the box in either of the last 2 seasons as well. Seriously there's this collective amnesia about the football we've played previously and the qualities that these players exhibited.

The likelihood is that probably our players are generally poor at shots from distance (Porro excepted), so neither manager uses it as an attacking approach.
 
Everyone is forgetting we rarely shot from outside the box in either of the last 2 seasons as well. Seriously there's this collective amnesia about the football we've played previously and the qualities that these players exhibited.

The likelihood is that probably our players are generally poor at shots from distance (Porro excepted), so neither manager uses it as an attacking approach.
Xavi Simons has scored some great long range goals and Kudus can too. Considering our lack of passing and insisting on chucking it in the box, would have thought shooting from distance would have been tried more....
 
I'll just point out that it is, still, a personnel issue.

Playing Djed on the left because Udogie is injured for the majority of the time, limits us down that flank. It's a personnel issue because we lack a genuinely good left-footed player to swap in for Udogie there. You can see Frank's desperation here given he threw on the aged Ben Davies to try and change things - I have no doubt it's because he's at least left footed and this can offer some width down that flank.

Vicario playing out from the back does not work - it didn't work for Ange, won't work for Frank, but it's the basis of modern tactical approaches and so we are forced to rely on Vic for that regardless. And get regularly punished for it as it's clear his technique and (particularly) decision-making, are not up to the mark.

We play Xavi in the middle even when he's having one of his anonymous games because no one else can conduct play that far forward, with Maddison and Kulusevski out. And in the middle, no one can really conduct play from deep amidst the group of midfielders we have.

If VdV goes down again, we will see further tactical issues because we have no left-footed player to replace him, nor one as speedy as he is. Both of those will impact our buildup and height of our line.

So, ultimately, we're paying for some very, very poor squad management that took place over years - none of this is the work of one man, one window, but a club approach that has seen a haphazard squad assembled over nearly half a decade.

It will take a long time to fix, and until then we'll keep seeing inconsistency. And this will be the case regardless of the manager you appoint, because they all have systems they want to play, and all of them will mean being let down by certain parts of this Frankenstein squad assembled across multiple managers and eras.

Give Frank time, money and patience. Nothing else will work, imo. I say this as someone who wasn't too convinced by our choice of Frank to begin with - but having chosen him, you have to give him time.
This I don't know how to use the like button. No manager can just wave a wand and magically fix everything. As pointed out, the squad is assembled under 4 different managers, and has glaring holes and quite bloated. We need GOOD options on the left, both LCB, LB and LW and some players need to go. Frank needs to get time to sort it out. The only times we've been good over a significant period of time, is when we've had some stability with the manager, as under Poch and Harry.
The last thing we need is yet another manager having to start from scratch again!
 
This I don't know how to use the like button. No manager can just wave a wand and magically fix everything. As pointed out, the squad is assembled under 4 different managers, and has glaring holes and quite bloated. We need GOOD options on the left, both LCB, LB and LW and some players need to go. Frank needs to get time to sort it out. The only times we've been good over a significant period of time, is when we've had some stability with the manager, as under Poch and Harry.
The last thing we need is yet another manager having to start from scratch again!
I don't think any supporter expected Spurs to become world beaters over night, but I do think we wanted to the team to play to their ability, which we haven't. I am convinced that our squad is probably top six, however my guess is that we will finish bottom half. People can of that as they wish
 
After 16 games we are now 10th with 22 points, under a very bad manager last year with a weaker side and more injuries were 10th with 23 points. Getting rid of Ange was totally the right thing to do, but surely we all have to be asking ourselves is Frank the right man?

The last bloke was 18 months in. This one is just over 4 in and has yet to field any of the three players still at the club who accounted for most of our goals and assists last year.

Everyone is forgetting we rarely shot from outside the box in either of the last 2 seasons as well. Seriously there's this collective amnesia about the football we've played previously and the qualities that these players exhibited.

The likelihood is that probably our players are generally poor at shots from distance (Porro excepted), so neither manager uses it as an attacking approach.

Richarlison can barely find the net from 2 or 3 yards out, never mind trying to score from outside the box.

I don't think any supporter expected Spurs to become world beaters over night, but I do think we wanted to the team to play to their ability, which we haven't. I am convinced that our squad is probably top six, however my guess is that we will finish bottom half. People can of that as they wish

I had a long drive today and so listened to four Spurs podcasts - glutton for punishment! The common theme (they were The Tottenham Way, The Spurs Show, Last Word on Spurs and The Fighting rooster) is that we overrate our players. The journalist on The Tottenham Way obviously covers teams other than us and said - as an example - that he’d take Palace squad, and Forest’s creative and forward players, over ours.
 
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