This Paolo Di Canio Business

[onlyme]

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Ok, this is a football forum and we best leave it there.

But I can assure you I'd much rather step in elephant dung than human excrement.

I'm politically neutral btw. But if pushed, extremely hard, I'd refer to myself as an environmentalist.

Me too.

 

[Baleforce]

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why is this suddenly such a big issue, where was the outcry when he took the swindon job, or signed for wednesday or west ham, or charlton?

 

[spurspinter1]

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Because it's a higher profile job therefore it's even more of a pedal stool for him to be a bellend.

 

[Gilzeantoscore]

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why is this suddenly such a big issue, where was the outcry when he took the swindon job, or signed for wednesday or west ham, or charlton?

Previously it was not so widely circulated. Bigger club, bigger profile and Milibrand' resignation have lead to it coming out.

 

[Rorschach]

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He would be a hero at Chelsea.

 

[Dicko]

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Previously it was not so widely circulated. Bigger club, bigger profile and Milibrand' resignation have lead to it coming out.

Miliband is off to the US anyway, probably just a convient excuse.

Success or Not Di Canio is good news for SSN.. Got a feeling we'll be sick of the sight of him pretty soon.. more minutes than Harry on Transfer Deadline Day!

 

[Baleforce]

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He would be a hero at Chelsea.

he's not a racist

 

[Dicko]

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he's not a racist

 

[milo]

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why is this suddenly such a big issue, where was the outcry when he took the swindon job, or signed for wednesday or west ham, or charlton?

It was an issue but got less press because it would sell less papers/advertising when he was at a smaller club. The GMB withdrew its sponsorship of Swindon when Di Canio was appointed because of his political views.

I find it hard to understand how Spurs fans can try and defend Di Canio's self-professed views in a season when we have seen our fans hospitalised and on the receiving end of anti-Semitic abuse by the far right in Europe.

 

[Spursalot]

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It was an issue but got less press because it would sell less papers/advertising when he was at a smaller club. The GMB withdrew its sponsorship of Swindon when Di Canio was appointed because of his political views.

I find it hard to understand how Spurs fans can try and defend Di Canio's self-professed views in a season when we have seen our fans hospitalised and on the receiving end of anti-Semitic abuse by the far right in Europe.

Because being a fascist doesn't mean you have to attack people in the street.


Or are all political views now dependant upon extremists?

 

[onlyme]

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This is a true story and has absolutely nothing to do with the thread but I was in a supermarket today and a moslem woman wearing the full burka up bumped into another and they recognised each other.

 

[Bonsaiboy]

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This is a true story and has absolutely nothing to do with the thread but I was in a supermarket today and a moslem woman wearing the full burka up bumped into another and they recognised each other.

Are you seriously implying that women covered up head to toe and in full burqas covering their faces all look exactly the same to you - and you can't understand how they manage to recognize each other?! I can't believe you'd have the audacity to admit to such a thing on a public forum! You're clearly a latent fascist! What's the matter? Not enough to spread your genocidal hatred on the Neo-Nazi forums you no doubt frequent?!

This is the kind of thinking that led to the death of millions! Implying (you may not have said it directly, but that's a typical fascist trick) implying that you think people dressed from head to toe, with their arms, hands and entire heads and faces covered all the look the same!

I've got a mind to actually call the police about you and report your clear and unequivocal fascist tendencies!

I'm disgusted.

 

[thfcsteff]

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Not really, it was a rather casuistic rebuttal, much like me saying I could easily name seven qualities possessed by both human excrement and elephant dung.

May I ask how you would describe you political affiliations?


Later edit: Hey Gilzean, you added the last line below later because I mugged you off!

Are you genuinely trying to assert that fascism and nazism are two completely different, unrelated things? I trust you know about Italian fascism?

 

[thfcsteff]

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Are you seriously implying that women covered up head to toe and in full burqas covering their faces all look exactly the same to you - and you can't understand how they manage to recognize each other?! I can't believe you'd have the audacity to admit to such a thing on a public forum! You're clearly a latent fascist! What's the matter? Not enough to spread your genocidal hatred on the Neo-Nazi forums you no doubt frequent?!

This is the kind of thinking that led to the death of millions! Implying (you may not have said it directly, but that's a typical fascist trick) implying that you think people dressed from head to toe, with their arms, hands and entire heads and faces covered all the look the same!

I've got a mind to actually call the police about you and report your clear and unequivocal fascist tendencies!

I'm disgusted.

How long did that devastating repartee take you to write? It's a shame you find people discussing potential issues of prejudice to be tedious and worthy only of your unerring wit. A lot of bolshey kids on here these days...

 

[Bonsaiboy]

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Are you genuinely trying to assert that fascism and nazism are two completely different, unrelated things? I trust you know about Italian fascism?

Different yes, unrelated no. And yes. Lived in Italy for a time, speak the lingo, understand the specific history of the place that caused the ideology of fascism to come into existence.

Busy day today, so no time to get into any great political discussion.

It is basically a question of words and using them correctly and not mashing things together to create a language of Orwellian Newspeak notoriety.

It's like the question of when do the differences that evolve in all living organisms over time become sufficient to be worthy of creating a different name for them or even classifying them as a different species? Easy to answer if you're a Jehovah's Witness. More difficult if you're not.

I also dislike the tendency of some more right wing people to use terms like Leftie and Commie for the wide variety of differing ideologies that evolved from the work of great thinkers such as Marx and Engels.

I have many reasons to despise the Nazis, the obvious ones such the mass murder of millions, the attempted genocide of a race of people that has included some of the greatest people who have ever lived. The bombing of my city and my country. The cultural destruction caused by the stupid war they started. The misappropriation of the works of Nietzsche, which caused his reputation to be unfairly sullied for generations after... need I go on?

I don't believe the original ideology of Fascism born in Italy should be associated with these crimes.

Clear enough for you?

 

[Bonsaiboy]

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How long did that devastating repartee take you to write? It's a shame you find people discussing potential issues of prejudice to be tedious and worthy only of your unerring wit. A lot of bolshey kids on here these days...

About a minute. Thought it was a wonderfully random anecdote that deserved a response.

 

[Baleforce]

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It was an issue but got less press because it would sell less papers/advertising when he was at a smaller club. The GMB withdrew its sponsorship of Swindon when Di Canio was appointed because of his political views.

I find it hard to understand how Spurs fans can try and defend Di Canio's self-professed views in a season when we have seen our fans hospitalised and on the receiving end of anti-Semitic abuse by the far right in Europe.

pretty sure I have made no attempt to defend his views, I will defend his right to have them though

also with kick it out releasing a statement this morning, does anyone really think Di Canio is the only person involved in the PL with fascist views

my issue is simply that the current wave of righteous indignation seems to be based solely on the fact that he has a higher profile job (maybe, I'd say he had higher stature as a player) than he had in the past

 

[thfcsteff]

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Different yes, unrelated no. And yes. Lived in Italy for a time, speak the lingo, understand the specific history of the place that caused the ideology of fascism to come into existence.

Busy day today, so no time to get into any great political discussion.

It is basically a question of words and using them correctly and not mashing things together to create a language of Orwellian Newspeak notoriety.

It's like the question of when do the differences that evolve in all living organisms over time become sufficient to be worthy of creating a different name for them or even classifying them as a different species? Easy to answer if you're a Jehovah's Witness. More difficult if you're not.

I also dislike the tendency of some more right wing people to use terms like Leftie and Commie for the wide variety of differing ideologies that evolved from the work of great thinkers such as Marx and Engels.

I have many reasons to despise the Nazis, the obvious ones such the mass murder of millions, the attempted genocide of a race of people that has included some of the greatest people who have ever lived. The bombing of my city and my country. The cultural destruction caused by the stupid war they started. The misappropriation of the works of Nietzsche, which caused his reputation to be unfairly sullied for generations after... need I go on?

I don't believe the original ideology of Fascism born in Italy should be associated with these crimes.

Clear enough for you?

I agree with the first point in bold above. It's important. Further, it plays into the second point (which is something that I despise -how the words 'communism' and 'socialism' have been totally misinterpreted -purposefully to my mind- by people who simply want to see no form of socially-minded/empathetic government in their society).

Your Nietzsche comment is a whole other discussion; I'd say there were others (such as Marx) who's philosophies have been misappropriated far more.

As for your final comment? Yes, there is a fine line difference between fascism and racism. But you're talking academic definitions. And by your own stipulated dislike of misappropriation, fascism was adopted by racists virtually from the get-go. Thus a modern 'fascist' and 'patriot' is, by the mere stacking of what those terms mean when put together, going to end up harboring some racist ideals (for example, that Italian fascists felt colonizing African nations was justified because of the superior intellect' of the colonizers).

The big question would be why Paulo Di Canio would (with all this wonderful nuanced information) offer a nazi salute not once but several times from pitch-side?
Are we now saying that before we condemn someone for throwing out that insulting gesture that we should discuss whether they are, in fact, non-racist fascists?

Given the fact that we have confirmed that fascism and nazism are related, you'd have to conclude that Paulo Di Canio is naive if he thinks he can exercise his right to offer a 'Nazi-style' salute, state that he believe in Italian fascism and not cop a good deal of flack for it.
The fact he stubbornly refuses to conclusively wipe the slate clean suggests he is either a stubborn idiotic loopy tool or a man of strong principle and moral fibre...I know what I think...

 

[Wriggly]

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Are you seriously implying that women covered up head to toe and in full burqas covering their faces all look exactly the same to you - and you can't understand how they manage to recognize each other?! I can't believe you'd have the audacity to admit to such a thing on a public forum! You're clearly a latent fascist! What's the matter? Not enough to spread your genocidal hatred on the Neo-Nazi forums you no doubt frequent?!

This is the kind of thinking that led to the death of millions! Implying (you may not have said it directly, but that's a typical fascist trick) implying that you think people dressed from head to toe, with their arms, hands and entire heads and faces covered all the look the same!

I've got a mind to actually call the police about you and report your clear and unequivocal fascist tendencies!

I'm disgusted.

If my girlfriend walked past me covered up in a full burqa I wouldnt know who the fudge she was.

Pull your head from your arse and rell it in a bit. There's a good lad.

 

[Gilzeantoscore]

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If my girlfriend walked past me covered up in a full burqa I wouldnt know who the fudge she was.

Pull your head from your arse and rell it in a bit. There's a good lad.

This guy has issues. Serial WUM. I intend to ignore him.