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This Paolo Di Canio Business
- Thread starter King of Norway
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Spursalot
Jimmy McCormick
Re: O/T Manager Sack Watch
Because you are judging current fascists by the actions of fascists around 70 years ago.
It would be like judging all Germans for the events 70 years ago.
It would be a silly thing to do.
Because you are judging current fascists by the actions of fascists around 70 years ago.
It would be like judging all Germans for the events 70 years ago.
It would be a silly thing to do.
Gilzeantoscore
Justin Edinburgh
Re: O/T Manager Sack Watch
Really?
Both are anti-democratic
Both see violence as a legitimate method for attaining political power.
Both are nationalistic.
Both promote the interest of the state above the individual.
Both are anti socialist.
Both are militaristic.
Both are imperialistic.
How many more similarities do you want?
The only major difference was the Nazis racial policies.
Really?
Both are anti-democratic
Both see violence as a legitimate method for attaining political power.
Both are nationalistic.
Both promote the interest of the state above the individual.
Both are anti socialist.
Both are militaristic.
Both are imperialistic.
How many more similarities do you want?
The only major difference was the Nazis racial policies.
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Gilzeantoscore
Justin Edinburgh
Re: O/T Manager Sack Watch
Yeah nice one! No It would be like judging all German nazis of today with all German Nazis of seventy years ago. Got to be a bit smarter than that mate.:ross:
Yeah nice one! No It would be like judging all German nazis of today with all German Nazis of seventy years ago. Got to be a bit smarter than that mate.:ross:
Spursalot
Jimmy McCormick
Re: O/T Manager Sack Watch
Your comments show you to have an incredibly naive world view, where everything is either black or white.
I don't think i'm going to get through to you, so i'm going to cut my losses and go and do something worthwhile.
Best of luck to Di Canio though.
Your comments show you to have an incredibly naive world view, where everything is either black or white.
I don't think i'm going to get through to you, so i'm going to cut my losses and go and do something worthwhile.
Best of luck to Di Canio though.
Gilzeantoscore
Justin Edinburgh
Re: O/T Manager Sack Watch
You have a tendency to take the anti view whenever I post anything, whether on here or in the football section. I suggest that you have the problem. You are quite right though, I do not distinguish between old or Neo fascists. Sorry if that offends you.
You have a tendency to take the anti view whenever I post anything, whether on here or in the football section. I suggest that you have the problem. You are quite right though, I do not distinguish between old or Neo fascists. Sorry if that offends you.
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Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Re: O/T Manager Sack Watch
There was less collaboration re handing over Jews in Italy than there was in the Channel Islands (the only part of the UK that was occupied).
There was less collaboration re handing over Jews in Italy than there was in the Channel Islands (the only part of the UK that was occupied).
Gilzeantoscore
Justin Edinburgh
Re: O/T Manager Sack Watch
That and the actions of Mosley's British Union of Fascists is one of the nastier aspects of British history that has been largely ignored.
That and the actions of Mosley's British Union of Fascists is one of the nastier aspects of British history that has been largely ignored.
Re: O/T Manager Sack Watch
He could argue with himself in a paper bag I wouldn't worry.
He could argue with himself in a paper bag I wouldn't worry.
Gilzeantoscore
Justin Edinburgh
Re: O/T Manager Sack Watch
Gilzeantoscore: I thought I did a decent job in trying to enlighten you, but Armchair Expert did a far better job than I ever could, and he's clearly very erudite on this subject and I bow to his superior knowledge on this matter - but not on the issue of CL or Europa League
I'd love to read your paper on the subject if it's available anywhere online or anything.
Gilzeantoscore: I thought I did a decent job in trying to enlighten you, but Armchair Expert did a far better job than I ever could, and he's clearly very erudite on this subject and I bow to his superior knowledge on this matter - but not on the issue of CL or Europa League
I'd love to read your paper on the subject if it's available anywhere online or anything.
Gilzeantoscore
Justin Edinburgh
Re: O/T Manager Sack Watch
I pretty much deflated his argument that the Italian fascists and Nazis were different ideologies. Did you bother to read it? Can't see how his argument was in any way erudite. Just another point of view. Fascism preceded Nazism, and Hitler was a great admirer of Mussolini in the early years. In fact, as he was already in power, Mussolini was seen as the senior figure. Nazism, is a form of fascism. They (the fascist parties) share many positions such as being anti democratic, violent revolutionary, Statist, nationalist, imperialist, militarist and anti socialist. These are basic ideas, that are not in dispute by any academics and can be proven by the behaviour of all fascist movements in the 30's and 40's i.e. Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, Fascist Spain and militarist Japan.
I can well understand why some propagandist in the 21st century would seek to distance fascism from Nazism. As I posted previously, they seek to be reasonable, part of the mainstream and in no way threatening. They put the silly uniforms and arm bands away years ago.:lol:
Gilzeantoscore: I thought I did a decent job in trying to enlighten you, but Armchair Expert did a far better job than I ever could, and he's clearly very erudite on this subject and I bow to his superior knowledge on this matter - but not on the issue of CL or Europa League
I'd love to read your paper on the subject if it's available anywhere online or anything.
I pretty much deflated his argument that the Italian fascists and Nazis were different ideologies. Did you bother to read it? Can't see how his argument was in any way erudite. Just another point of view. Fascism preceded Nazism, and Hitler was a great admirer of Mussolini in the early years. In fact, as he was already in power, Mussolini was seen as the senior figure. Nazism, is a form of fascism. They (the fascist parties) share many positions such as being anti democratic, violent revolutionary, Statist, nationalist, imperialist, militarist and anti socialist. These are basic ideas, that are not in dispute by any academics and can be proven by the behaviour of all fascist movements in the 30's and 40's i.e. Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, Fascist Spain and militarist Japan.
I can well understand why some propagandist in the 21st century would seek to distance fascism from Nazism. As I posted previously, they seek to be reasonable, part of the mainstream and in no way threatening. They put the silly uniforms and arm bands away years ago.:lol:
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Re: O/T Manager Sack Watch
Did you mean "defeated" when you wrote "deflated" because you appear to have done neither.
Did you mean "defeated" when you wrote "deflated" because you appear to have done neither.
Gilzeantoscore
Justin Edinburgh
Re: O/T Manager Sack Watch
He said they were different ideologies and I have listed SEVEN ideological positions shared by the German Nazis and the Italian Fascists. I'd say that is a pretty comprehensive rebuttal of his view.
He said they were different ideologies and I have listed SEVEN ideological positions shared by the German Nazis and the Italian Fascists. I'd say that is a pretty comprehensive rebuttal of his view.
Re: O/T Manager Sack Watch
Not really, it was a rather casuistic rebuttal, much like me saying I could easily name seven qualities possessed by both human excrement and elephant dung.
May I ask how you would describe you political affiliations?
Later edit: Hey Gilzean, you added the last line below later because I mugged you off!
Not really, it was a rather casuistic rebuttal, much like me saying I could easily name seven qualities possessed by both human excrement and elephant dung.
May I ask how you would describe you political affiliations?
Later edit: Hey Gilzean, you added the last line below later because I mugged you off!
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Gilzeantoscore
Justin Edinburgh
Re: O/T Manager Sack Watch
Now you are getting it, human excrement and elephant dung aren't that different, that was my point! A long way to the left of your's I would suggest.
Time to end this, I have seen your 'contributions' in other threads and you are clearly a WUM.
Now you are getting it, human excrement and elephant dung aren't that different, that was my point! A long way to the left of your's I would suggest.
Time to end this, I have seen your 'contributions' in other threads and you are clearly a WUM.
Re: O/T Manager Sack Watch
Ok, this is a football forum and we best leave it there.
But I can assure you I'd much rather step in elephant dung than human excrement.
I'm politically neutral btw. But if pushed, extremely hard, I'd refer to myself as an environmentalist.
Ok, this is a football forum and we best leave it there.
But I can assure you I'd much rather step in elephant dung than human excrement.
I'm politically neutral btw. But if pushed, extremely hard, I'd refer to myself as an environmentalist.
jts1882
Dean Richards
Re: O/T Manager Sack Watch
So let me see, we have one camp of the disposition to distinguish between human excrement and elephant dung, who also separate Nazis and Italian fascists, and a second camp of the view that brick is brick and fascists are fascists. A classic case of lumpers and splitters seeing things differently.
Personally I thought the point about the Italian fascists being an earlier and non-racist ideology was well made. However, as pointed out even without the racist tendencies they were a pretty nasty lot. The Nazis adopted many of these core fascists views and added a nasty twist of their own. At this point Mussolini's fascists allied themselves with the Nazis. They might not have shared the racists views, but didn't see it as a problem in their relationship. Hardly an endorsement for Italian fascism.
So let me see, we have one camp of the disposition to distinguish between human excrement and elephant dung, who also separate Nazis and Italian fascists, and a second camp of the view that brick is brick and fascists are fascists. A classic case of lumpers and splitters seeing things differently.
Personally I thought the point about the Italian fascists being an earlier and non-racist ideology was well made. However, as pointed out even without the racist tendencies they were a pretty nasty lot. The Nazis adopted many of these core fascists views and added a nasty twist of their own. At this point Mussolini's fascists allied themselves with the Nazis. They might not have shared the racists views, but didn't see it as a problem in their relationship. Hardly an endorsement for Italian fascism.
