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The transfer thread

if we're looking for a leader younger than maddision in the centre of midfield, perhaps Feyenoord captain Kokcu could fit the bill.
plays with both feet and on e of the top passes - short and long - and very high chance creation stats too. we should be able to afford him and has good upside at only 23.
 
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metalgear said:
if we're looking for a leader younger than maddision in the centre of midfield, perhaps Feyenoord captain Kokcu could fit the bill.
plays with both feet and on e of the top passes - short and long - and very high chance creation stats too. we should be able to afford him and has good upside at only 23.
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He plays for Benfica now
The Turkish guy, right?
 
Gutter Boy said:
We can only register club trained players for EL. We are already 2 over our quota for non-club trained.

In theory we could not register Forster, Werner and Regulion, to get Spence + 1 new signing in. But signing a club trained player (Cirkin, Archer) might be how we need to do it.
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We can register whoever we want, it is just that we can only register 17 overseas players and 4 association trained players who are not ‘club trained’.

KWP would be the most sensible club trained option I think. Out of contract in the summer and his strengths would suit an Ange team, with the player also having the bonus of versatility to play on either side.

Though I’m not convinced we should be signing players specifically for the European squad. In a couple of years we’ll have a whole bunch of our current u21 players considered as being ‘club trained’. A far larger gap,is the fact that we still have a couple of free overseas player spots in our PL squad. That is what we should be strengthening and doing this would allow us to naturally play stronger teams in the Europa, with a couple of good, new overseas players able to pick up the baton for the PL games.
 
Finney Is Back said:
We can register whoever we want, it is just that we can only register 17 overseas players and 4 association trained players who are not ‘club trained’.

KWP would be the most sensible club trained option I think. Out of contract in the summer and his strengths would suit an Ange team, with the player also having the bonus of versatility to play on either side.

Though I’m not convinced we should be signing players specifically for the European squad. In a couple of years we’ll have a whole bunch of our current u21 players considered as being ‘club trained’. A far larger gap,is the fact that we still have a couple of free overseas player spots in our PL squad. That is what we should be strengthening and doing this would allow us to naturally play stronger teams in the Europa, with a couple of good, new overseas players able to pick up the baton for the PL games.
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It's a great observation that the UEFA squad composition is probably driving the PL squad composition more than the other way round this season. The question is what makes them converge and when is that? I'm not convinced it is bringing back any of our former club trained players though. I'd rather be going after the Dorgu's and other Lange/Ange targets, especially the 22-26 year olds.
 
Muttley said:
It's a great observation that the UEFA squad composition is probably driving the PL squad composition more than the other way round this season. The question is what makes them converge and when is that? I'm not convinced it is bringing back any of our former club trained players though. I'd rather be going after the Dorgu's and other Lange/Ange targets, especially the 22-26 year olds.
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That was my point in the 'squad' thread... if we are allowed 25 players in UEFA and we happen to have 30 brilliant players, that is fantastic news that we have to leave some good players out of the UEFA squad.

But the weakest part of our UEFA squad is our club-trained:
Milo says our 4 CT = Austin Devine Scarlett <Nobody> which is a pretty weak list and could be upgraded but the only quick fixes are players we've got shot of for good reason, e.g. KWP who is very "meh" and this list of 4 will fill up as our decent youth players grow past 21... so we don't want to be stuck with a banana.

Our association-trained players are good already:
Milo says our 4 AT = Maddison Spence Johnson Solanke Gray which is 1 too many, so this list is too full already
 
Bullet said:
That was my point in the 'squad' thread... if we are allowed 25 players in UEFA and we happen to have 30 brilliant players, that is fantastic news that we have to leave some good players out of the UEFA squad.

But the weakest part of our UEFA squad is our club-trained:
Milo says our 4 CT = Austin Devine Scarlett <Nobody> which is a pretty weak list and could be upgraded but the only quick fixes are players we've got shot of for good reason, e.g. KWP who is very "meh" and this list of 4 will fill up as our decent youth players grow past 21... so we don't want to be stuck with a banana.

Our association-trained players are good already:
Milo says our 4 AT = Maddison Spence Johnson Solanke Gray which is 1 too many, so this list is too full already
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You can have as many CT or AT as you want, you don't have to limit yourself to 4. As long as they're good enough of course.
 
Bullet said:
That was my point in the 'squad' thread... if we are allowed 25 players in UEFA and we happen to have 30 brilliant players, that is fantastic news that we have to leave some good players out of the UEFA squad.

But the weakest part of our UEFA squad is our club-trained:
Milo says our 4 CT = Austin Devine Scarlett <Nobody> which is a pretty weak list and could be upgraded but the only quick fixes are players we've got shot of for good reason, e.g. KWP who is very "meh" and this list of 4 will fill up as our decent youth players grow past 21... so we don't want to be stuck with a banana.

Our association-trained players are good already:
Milo says our 4 AT = Maddison Spence Johnson Solanke Gray which is 1 too many, so this list is too full already
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The squad - https://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/clubs/1652--tottenham/squad/
Here's the 23 - Venom, Forster, Austin, Whiteman, Dragusin, Udogie, Romero, Porro, Davies, VDV, Son, Bissouma, Madds, Gray, Bergval, Kuklusevski, Johnson, Odobert, Sarr, Bentancur, Richi, Werner, Solanke
Club trained - Whiteman, Austin (hence only getting 23 slots)
Association trained - Forster, Madds, Johnson, Solanke (you can only name 4)
B-list - Gunter, Dorrington, Cassanova, Moore, Hall, Olusesi, Lankshear, Ajayi, W-Barnett
Couldn't name - Spence, Reggie
It's still a decent 32 man squad for the Europa League. Pretty raw for the CL though.

Next season:
1) We'll have Keeley, Austin, Devine and Scarlett as club trained choices. Technically, Max Robson and Matthew Craig as well if they are still around as they are all 21 or over.
2) We'll have Spence, Solanke, Johnson and Madds as association trained. If we keep Davies, one of them will need take one of the 17 other slots as you can only have 4.
3) Bergval, Gray, Odobert, Yang and Vuskovic will have to take some of the 17 slots because they haven't completed 2 years at the club and can't be on the B-list. Ditto any new purchased U21s.
4) The B list will have Phillips on it because has completed 2 seasons with us and is still U21. The 9 above still apply as will many others in the academy.

I can't see a scenario where we won't be back to 25 slots though. I can see a scenario where we might loan some of the 2nd year purchased players to free up more overseas slots and match with the PL configuration. When all those U21s complete 2 years at the club in 26/27, we'll have loads of slots.

Doesn't answer you question about whether we'd be better off with a KWP, Edwards or Cirkin rather than the 4 club trained named above. As it goes, I wouldn't. Devine or Scarlett might become Spurs greats. In my opinion, KWP and Edwards never will. I'm not sure about Cirkin though.
 
Jordinho said:
You can have as many CT or AT as you want, you don't have to limit yourself to 4. As long as they're good enough of course.
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My understanding is that is true with CT, but not AT where you can only name 4. You can obviously name the extra AT's in one of the other 17 slots.

As I mentioned above, what's driving our UEFA challenges at the moment is having to name so many purchased U21s in that 17 until they complete 2 years as Spurs owned. I used to think that guys like Bergval and Gray would be free picks on the B-list like they are in the PL format. Not true apparently.
 
Muttley said:
My understanding is that is true with CT, but not AT where you can only name 4. You can obviously name the extra AT's in one of the other 17 slots.

As I mentioned above, what's driving our UEFA challenges at the moment is having to name so many purchased U21s in that 17 until they complete 2 years as Spurs owned. I used to think that guys like Bergval and Gray would be free picks on the B-list like they are in the PL format. Not true apparently.
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Well, you can't name more than 25 senior players, but that can be anything from 25 club trained players (they also count as association trained) to 4 of each and 17 "foreigners".
 
Finney Is Back said:
We can register whoever we want, it is just that we can only register 17 overseas players and 4 association trained players who are not ‘club trained’.

KWP would be the most sensible club trained option I think. Out of contract in the summer and his strengths would suit an Ange team, with the player also having the bonus of versatility to play on either side.

Though I’m not convinced we should be signing players specifically for the European squad. In a couple of years we’ll have a whole bunch of our current u21 players considered as being ‘club trained’. A far larger gap,is the fact that we still have a couple of free overseas player spots in our PL squad. That is what we should be strengthening and doing this would allow us to naturally play stronger teams in the Europa, with a couple of good, new overseas players able to pick up the baton for the PL games.
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What happens if next season we get in the cl? Signing loads of players will also block the way for our youngsters coming through and getting game time.

Personally now i'd concentrate on getting quality signings in that would be a definite improvement on what we have. We have quantity. We need quality.
 
Lilbaz said:
What happens if next season we get in the cl? Signing loads of players will also block the way for our youngsters coming through and getting game time.

Personally now i'd concentrate on getting quality signings in that would be a definite improvement on what we have. We have quantity. We need quality.
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That’s how I think we will go
I think we have bridged the squad gap quite quickly
2 areas of concern are left back and keeper and both can be managed if the squad chosen was smarter
Spence could cover kept back I assume as he has played there most of his games now
And Davies would be an option too as well as CB cover again assuming we also have on the very highly regarded 3 younesters in the squad
Then we can focus the money on the DM everyone wants and a left winger
Potentially also trading out richy for his and our own benefits
It’s not major surgery
2 first team ready guys who improve the team will be expensive but we did spend £100m ish net I think
Player trading is gonna be key
It’s why the club are sniffing around Angel Gomes
 
Muttley said:
The squad - https://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/clubs/1652--tottenham/squad/
Here's the 23 - Venom, Forster, Austin, Whiteman, Dragusin, Udogie, Romero, Porro, Davies, VDV, Son, Bissouma, Madds, Gray, Bergval, Kuklusevski, Johnson, Odobert, Sarr, Bentancur, Richi, Werner, Solanke
Club trained - Whiteman, Austin (hence only getting 23 slots)
Association trained - Forster, Madds, Johnson, Solanke (you can only name 4)
B-list - Gunter, Dorrington, Cassanova, Moore, Hall, Olusesi, Lankshear, Ajayi, W-Barnett
Couldn't name - Spence, Reggie
It's still a decent 32 man squad for the Europa League. Pretty raw for the CL though.

Next season:
1) We'll have Keeley, Austin, Devine and Scarlett as club trained choices. Technically, Max Robson and Matthew Craig as well if they are still around as they are all 21 or over.
2) We'll have Spence, Solanke, Johnson and Madds as association trained. If we keep Davies, one of them will need take one of the 17 other slots as you can only have 4.
3) Bergval, Gray, Odobert, Yang and Vuskovic will have to take some of the 17 slots because they haven't completed 2 years at the club and can't be on the B-list. Ditto any new purchased U21s.
4) The B list will have Phillips on it because has completed 2 seasons with us and is still U21. The 9 above still apply as will many others in the academy.

I can't see a scenario where we won't be back to 25 slots though. I can see a scenario where we might loan some of the 2nd year purchased players to free up more overseas slots and match with the PL configuration. When all those U21s complete 2 years at the club in 26/27, we'll have loads of slots.

Doesn't answer you question about whether we'd be better off with a KWP, Edwards or Cirkin rather than the 4 club trained named above. As it goes, I wouldn't. Devine or Scarlett might become Spurs greats. In my opinion, KWP and Edwards never will. I'm not sure about Cirkin though.
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3)
I'm struggling to see a scenario where we could have all of Bergvall, Gray, Odobert, Yang and Vuskovic on the A list (for Europe) next season. Would add two A list players to what we already have and we're already one over (not counting Reguilon).

We'd have to not extend Werner, then sell two players just to be even. Then whoever comes in would need one out. And even signing HG (not CT) players wouldn't do much for us as those slots are already filled, unless we sell a HG player.

We really could do with one or two of the teenagers to properly step up this season. Both for this season and planning for next season.

I guess it's another reason to think that any new signings in January or the summer should be more ready made and ready to upgrade on someone already here that we can then move on.
 
braineclipse said:
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I'm struggling to see a scenario where we could have all of Bergvall, Gray, Odobert, Yang and Vuskovic on the A list (for Europe) next season. Would add two A list players to what we already have and we're already one over (not counting Reguilon).

We'd have to not extend Werner, then sell two players just to be even. Then whoever comes in would need one out. And even signing HG (not CT) players wouldn't do much for us as those slots are already filled, unless we sell a HG player.

We really could do with one or two of the teenagers to properly step up this season. Both for this season and planning for next season.

I guess it's another reason to think that any new signings in January or the summer should be more ready made and ready to upgrade on someone already here that we can then move on.
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Yep, it's what I was thinking when I looked at the squad composition last night. As you say 5 purchased U21's leaving 12 spaces for senior players in the A-list feels a bit risky. If we extend Davies's contract then that would only leave 11 spaces as we'd have 5 OT's. Signing someone like Angel Gomes doesn't help the equation either, unless it's bye bye Bentancur as some predict.

Venom, Porro, Romero, VDV, Dragu, Udogie, Biss, Bents, Sarr, Kulu, Son - that's your 11 spaces gone already and it's 12 with Richi, 13 if we keep Werner.

More ready-made A-listers just means that we'd need to put some of our purchased U21 players out on loan, or not named in the UEFA squad. I do think we need to press forward with that strategy though.

I've dreamt of this moment for years though. All the fat cut from the 1st team squad leaving a mean machine of 1st teamers and younger players growing together without any major overhauls. 2 or 3 years ago we couldn't have imagined this scenario at our club.
 
Muttley said:
Yep, it's what I was thinking when I looked at the squad composition last night. As you say 5 purchased U21's leaving 12 spaces for senior players in the A-list feels a bit risky. If we extend Davies's contract then that would only leave 11 spaces as we'd have 5 OT's. Signing someone like Angel Gomes doesn't help the equation either, unless it's bye bye Bentancur as some predict.

Venom, Porro, Romero, VDV, Dragu, Udogie, Biss, Bents, Sarr, Kulu, Son - that's your 11 spaces gone already and it's 12 with Richi, 13 if we keep Werner.

More ready-made A-listers just means that we'd need to put some of our purchased U21 players out on loan, or not named in the UEFA squad. I do think we need to press forward with that strategy though.

I've dreamt of this moment for years though. All the fat cut from the 1st team squad leaving a mean machine of 1st teamers and younger players growing together without any major overhauls. 2 or 3 years ago we couldn't have imagined this scenario at our club.
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Absolutely. And even though it will take time this could lead to a situation where we essentially don't have to worry about home grown and club trained stuff for years.

But still need to see those younger players step up. Difference being that we in the past often had 1-2 players we had really high hopes for, now with the combination of academy players and younger signings there's a bunch of players who can step up. Even if some don't (should be expected) others can.

Will need some good and decisive decision making on outgoings. And of course incomings.
 
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