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The Official 2024/25 Premier League Thread

Ollie Watkins again left on the Villa bench yesterday...
I wonder if head might actually have been partially turned bu Arsenal's bid in January and Emery has decided he may as well sell in the summer and is planning early for life without him....

I'd rather that, than Arteta get an Osimhen etc
 
fernadez said:
Having 2 kids in the football system. Academy and pre academy training is about making players that plug in to the system.

The stand out players don't stand out because of the education they get at clubs, they already had that before they were scouted. Everyone else technically good, strong and quick. Which of these your more weighted towards decides which position you'll play.

When was the last time England produced a Pirlo, Modric, Busquets type of player. Even Vitiniho for someone more recent?
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I completely disagree with this. I'm interested to hear what academies they are at.

The clubs I visited when doing my coaching badges were all about skill and technique. Nobody was getting turned into a tricky winger. However, players were learning about what it took to play across most positions and encouraged to always do something positive with the ball.

Interesting that you asked the question of when was the last time England produced one of those players, yet it has been much more recently that the coaching in England has become much more aligned to that in the rest of Europe.

30 years ago, it was incredibly difficult for a Modric type player to come through in England. The academies were far too concerned with winning games and that was often achieved by physicality and playing the percentages. Modric would've been weeded out as being too small. Nowadays most of the academies (certainly the better ones) aren't looking at the results and are instead looking to create players with great touch, who can play with their heads up. Smaller, skillful players are given much more time to develop and have a far better chance of making it.
 
What percentage of a kids football exposure are they being coached though. The lions share of it would be them out with their mates down the park/street or in the back garden etc.

And I reckon most of the kids that turn out half decent are because they are playing down the park with one or more really good players. If you are already the top boy and you are actually brick then you can forget it.
 
Finney Is Back said:
I completely disagree with this. I'm interested to hear what academies they are at.

The clubs I visited when doing my coaching badges were all about skill and technique. Nobody was getting turned into a tricky winger. However, players were learning about what it took to play across most positions and encouraged to always do something positive with the ball.

Interesting that you asked the question of when was the last time England produced one of those players, yet it has been much more recently that the coaching in England has become much more aligned to that in the rest of Europe.

30 years ago, it was incredibly difficult for a Modric type player to come through in England. The academies were far too concerned with winning games and that was often achieved by physicality and playing the percentages. Modric would've been weeded out as being too small. Nowadays most of the academies (certainly the better ones) aren't looking at the results and are instead looking to create players with great touch, who can play with their heads up. Smaller, skillful players are given much more time to develop and have a far better chance of making it.
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The problem is more of giving those players game time in the first team. Or even at lower league teams. Lankshear was pl2 top scorer and player of the season last year in an all conquering team. Yet has hardly got any minutes this season even out on loan.
 
Finney Is Back said:
I completely disagree with this. I'm interested to hear what academies they are at.

The clubs I visited when doing my coaching badges were all about skill and technique. Nobody was getting turned into a tricky winger. However, players were learning about what it took to play across most positions and encouraged to always do something positive with the ball.

Interesting that you asked the question of when was the last time England produced one of those players, yet it has been much more recently that the coaching in England has become much more aligned to that in the rest of Europe.

30 years ago, it was incredibly difficult for a Modric type player to come through in England. The academies were far too concerned with winning games and that was often achieved by physicality and playing the percentages. Modric would've been weeded out as being too small. Nowadays most of the academies (certainly the better ones) aren't looking at the results and are instead looking to create players with great touch, who can play with their heads up. Smaller, skillful players are given much more time to develop and have a far better chance of making it.
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You're absolutely right, but few give them a chance as hardly any manager is going to put his job on the line by playing them in the first team and loans rarely work out for same reason. We need a league that offers young players games against experienced players not their peers, the gap is massive between academy and 1st team football.
 
johnola said:
What percentage of a kids football exposure are they being coached though. The lions share of it would be them out with their mates down the park/street or in the back garden etc.

And I reckon most of the kids that turn out half decent are because they are playing down the park with one or more really good players. If you are already the top boy and you are actually brick then you can forget it.
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I don't think I've seen kids kicking a ball about in the street in London for 50 years, my son had to go round local estate to play in the cage.
 
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