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The midweek/weekend games thread

whos fatter?

  • grant holt

    Votes: 2 10.5%

  • mark viduka

    Votes: 17 89.5%
  • Total voters
    19
Well, I certainly lol'ed at this one:
Chelsea won't be appointing Rafael Ben?¡tez, after their fans reacted angrily to the idea at Birmingham the other night. Three or four or maybe just two of them waved a bedsheet about with "No Benitez at the bridge" scrawled on it, a brazen snook ****ed to the two-time La Liga winner, and to typography.

:lol:
 
ArcspacE said:
They approached the game from an extremely physical / semi-negative aspect and in my opinion forgot to play football. By the time they realised what was cutting it was too late. I'm 98% confident if they meet again this season Real Madrid would do them. Like they mighty should. And like they've opened up a 10 point gap in the league to the 'greatest team of all time' (insert tossing smiley) And all fanboys will go support Bayern Munchen instead
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Sorry which game are you referring to? So far this season they've played them once in the league, twice in the supercup and twice in the copa del rey. I won't even mention last year.
 
Last year's semi finals

Are you a Barcelona fan? Sorry if I touched a nerve but the constant jerk off they receive is cringeworthy
 
ArcspacE said:
Last year's semi finals

Are you a Barcelona fan? Sorry if I touched a nerve but the constant jerk off they receive is cringeworthy
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I enjoy watching them as their football is enjoyable but I don't go out of my way to do so. Do you really watch Barcelona games and conclude you don't enjoy the football?

If they haven't been able to beat them in 5 games this season what difference does last year's CL semi-final performance have to do with it?
 
I hate the toss fest over Barca.....any one team dominating is brick.

Love the fact Real will win the league and Mourinho can laugh his **** off.

They make the scum look nice in terms of arrogance.
 
Because your initial point suggested how the media jerk off makes no difference since no team has threatened to knock them out of the CL

Hence the CL semi final reference and my subsequent prediction.

Half of their football is playing against half-beaten scared cloggers who walk out on the field having lost already to the 'greatest team of all time' drivel. The teams who've stood up to them in La Liga this season all managed to get a result.

And on that note - I truly hope Spain's boring football is completely destroyed in the summer by exciting football-playing teams such as Germany or Netherlands instead of boring your opponents to sleep with 4 yard side ways passes ad infinitum. Parker should have been Spanish - they'd love him
 
I don't agree that the media plays such a huge role in any team's success. One external variable being given that much credit for a team's performance seems extreme to me.

I also don't believe Spain play boring football and that the Netherlands play exciting football to the point you are trying to make, although I agree the Germans do, but I guess it's different opinions based on whatever it is we watch and the impression we get from what we see.

Don't want to get off topic and not looking to change your mind, it would be boring if everyone just agreed and had the same view.
 
ArcspacE said:
What are the odds of Barcelona drawing Appoel next round. Easiest passage for UEFA's darling team, please
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What a strange insinuation. They couldn't possibly get an easier route to the final than United got last year for example. They won their group and got about an average looking 2nd place team in the first knockout phase.

ArcspacE said:
That is because the propaganda media declare them winners as soon as the draw is made, commencing a psychological brainwash culminating in opponents of smaller teams being too scared to even pass the ball and simply trying to keep the scoreline respectable.

A proper hard team can beat them wish physical, organised movement.
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Yeah, that's probably it. Alex Ferguson just saw that he was up against Barca, rolled over and gave up.

I suppose Stoke for example? A proper hard team, physically strong, organized. Oh wait, they couldn't even handle Valencia at home on a cold winter midweek game up in Stoke.

As far as I can tell there is exactly one manager who has managed to do consistently well against Barca in the CL - Jose Mourinho. With Chelsea and Inter they played them perfectly. At Real it seems he won't be allowed to play defensive, counter attacking destructive football and so far he hasn't quite gotten there going toe to toe with them. They are edging closer though and might not be far off. When he did well with Chelsea and Inter they had two of the best defensive set-ups in world football. And they just about managed to shut out Barca.

The idea that if only managers could see what you see Barca would be in major trouble is puzzling.
 
braineclipse said:
What a strange insinuation. They couldn't possibly get an easier route to the final than United got last year for example. They won their group and got about an average looking 2nd place team in the first knockout phase.

Yeah, that's probably it. Alex Ferguson just saw that he was up against Barca, rolled over and gave up.

I suppose Stoke for example? A proper hard team, physically strong, organized. Oh wait, they couldn't even handle Valencia at home on a cold winter midweek game up in Stoke.

As far as I can tell there is exactly one manager who has managed to do consistently well against Barca in the CL - Jose Mourinho. With Chelsea and Inter they played them perfectly. At Real it seems he won't be allowed to play defensive, counter attacking destructive football and so far he hasn't quite gotten there going toe to toe with them. They are edging closer though and might not be far off. When he did well with Chelsea and Inter they had two of the best defensive set-ups in world football. And they just about managed to shut out Barca.

The idea that if only managers could see what you see Barca would be in major trouble is puzzling.
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Stoke are neither organised nor physically strong - they are cloggers who aim for the players legs and not the ball. Bale is probably stronger than any of their players. So is most likely Kaboul. Internazionale were physical and organised few years back. They stood up to those soft diving qunts and righfully took them to the cleaners.

Sorry pal, but I won't swallow your Barca propaganda book whole so save me your patronising. And my comment about Utd explained how they (on two occasions) lost the game in midfiled which one could have predicted blind-folded before the game. It is the less 'prominent' teams who are written off 15 seconds after the draw. Obviously at the final when 2 of the most popular clubs meet the media bias would be relatively split in the balance.
 
ArcspacE said:
Stoke are neither organised nor physically strong - they are cloggers who aim for the players legs and not the ball. Bale is probably stronger than any of their players. So is most likely Kaboul. Internazionale were physical and organised few years back. They stood up to those soft diving qunts and righfully took them to the cleaners.

Sorry pal, but I won't swallow your Barca propaganda book whole so save me your patronising. And my comment about Utd explained how they (on two occasions) lost the game in midfiled which one could have predicted blind-folded before the game. It is the less 'prominent' teams who are written off 15 seconds after the draw. Obviously at the final when 2 of the most popular clubs meet the media bias would be relatively split in the balance.
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I hope you're as aware of how patronizing you sound as I was when I made my patronizing comment to you.

I still don't understand why smaller, lesser, worse teams should somehow do better against Barca just by changing their mentality when Barca regularly beat the teams that would have been the best teams in the world if not for Barca's domination.
 
braineclipse said:
I still don't understand why smaller, lesser, worse teams should somehow do better against Barca just by changing their mentality when Barca regularly beat the teams that would have been the best teams in the world if not for Barca's domination.
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Because for the last 5 odd years the only thing one hears or reads revolves around the 'best team in the world'. So once the draw is made - half the battle is already won because you'll be playing the best team in the world!!!! How dare you attempt and oppose them or even consider getting a draw? You will lose, Messi will score a hat trick and everyone would toss off in the morning of how great they are. Funny how on the international stage where that bias is removed certain players fail to shine and become simply 'good' as opposed to extra-terrestrial humanoids. The balance must never be disrupted while profiteerting qutns, sharlatans and pseudo non-profit organisations line up their pockets month after month.
 
ArcspacE said:
Because for the last 5 odd years the only thing one hears or reads revolves around the 'best team in the world'. So once the draw is made - half the battle is already won because you'll be playing the best team in the world!!!! How dare you attempt and oppose them or even consider getting a draw? You will lose, Messi will score a hat trick and everyone would toss off in the morning of how great they are. Funny how on the international stage where that bias is removed certain players fail to shine and become simply 'good' as opposed to extra-terrestrial humanoids. The balance must never be disrupted while profiteerting qutns, sharlatans and pseudo non-profit organisations line up their pockets month after month.
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I'm sure they have a psychological advantage. As do most or every team that wins consistently season after season. However, it will always be at least somewhat counteracted by smaller teams always trying their hardest against the best teams and being able to play without pressure.

They have earned that respect though, through winning and being very good.

Who exactly are the players that underperform at an international level? Are you only thinking about Messi here?

I think the opposite is true, they have excellent players in almost every position. Yaya Toure was good for them, but mainly used as a defensive midfielder and nowhere near one of their star players. Went to England and was one of the best players in the league, playing as an attacking midfielder most of the time. Mascherano was probably the best defensive midfielder in England, went to Barca and can't really get a game in midfield unless there are injuries. Good as a centre back though.

Sure, they make good players better, Sanchez, Fabregas and Pique for example. But I think that's actually a compliment to them, their system and ability, it is for any other club in the world that does that.
 
Let me give you another example, braineclipse - Utd

Found out numerous times in Europe yet they seem to have a stronghold in the PL year after year. Because of their experience, history, manager, etc. We have a better midfield than them. Chelsea have a better midfield than them. Arse on a good day can give them a push too. But at the business end, more often than not they'll come on tops because of that very psychological advantage of superiority, never giving, up, 20 titles, media banging on for decades, etc. They beat us with their youth squad back in August, ffs. But they're Man Utd so it's ok. It's allowed. The balance had been lept in tact. Year after year after year. And that is exactly what is taking place right now albeit on a global (European) scale.

If you came on here every day and Poster X told you are a (for example) Scott Parker biased and delusional, after few years you might start believing it. Subconciously or not
 
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ArcspacE said:
Because for the last 5 odd years the only thing one hears or reads revolves around the 'best team in the world'. So once the draw is made - half the battle is already won because you'll be playing the best team in the world!!!! How dare you attempt and oppose them or even consider getting a draw? You will lose, Messi will score a hat trick and everyone would toss off in the morning of how great they are. Funny how on the international stage where that bias is removed certain players fail to shine and become simply 'good' as opposed to extra-terrestrial humanoids. The balance must never be disrupted while profiteerting qutns, sharlatans and pseudo non-profit organisations line up their pockets month after month.
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I love you Arcy, but I totally disagree with all of this. The fact that Barca regularly steamroller teams both domestically and in the CL has very little to do with their opponents being terrified of beating them and everything to do with the fact that they are brilliant.

And the bit about certain players failing to shine on the international stage? Six of Spain's lineup in the WC Final were Barca players (Pique, Pujol, Iniesta, Xavi, Busquets and Villa), with Iniesta scoring the only goal. I can only assume that this is a dig at Messi for failing to drive a pathetic looking Argentina side with Crazy Diego at the helm past the quarter finals.
 
Messi has been decent for Argentina over the last 5-6 years. Very good on occasions. Problem is - he's taken out of the protective bubble of a system perfected around him (fair dos) and placed in a team which isn't getting head from nearly every single media source in the world proclaiming their world dominance and actually had to face teams which are A) not scared of you B) not in awe of you C) looking to win the game, not keep the scoreline respectable.

Spain's system (naturally) has evolved around their midfield and become a continuation of that. And although successful over the last 4 years have been imho rather dull and nowhere near Barcelona's sheer destructions force.
 
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