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The all new Striker thread..

indianspur said:
like what, i think Kane has already shown the ability to drop off, find space, play through balls. Kane's finishing has been excellent, left and right foot and with the head.

Kane works hard, wants to improve further, is a team player. I loved Berbs but i dont see what Kane has to learn from him. Yes if Benteke was our striker then bringing in Berbs and allowing him to teach Benteke some things would be helpful. but not for Kane, imo
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Kane is still a kid and learning and Berbs has been there and got the tee shirt, ( and to be honest Kane is sill on the way to the shop).
 
parklane1 said:
Kane is still a kid and learning and Berbs has been there and got the tee shirt, ( and to be honest Kane is sill on the way to the shop).
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maybe so but as i asked before, is Berbs the type to bother with educating and helping youngsters
 
indianspur said:
maybe so but as i asked before, is Berbs the type to bother with educating and helping youngsters
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Depends, is Berbs a warm and fuzzy type of guy in the squad = no. Did Berbs manage to have a special relationship with Keano = quite obviously.

People would have to be crazy to say Kane has nothing to learn from Berbatov, vision, movement, link up play, Berbs is better, Kane is now a better finisher, but that's fine.

The question is, would Berbatov prefer being #3 at a club like us (where I think he enjoyed his time), vs. #1 in a struggling all season club? and would he be willing to take on a mentor/advisor role.
 
Raziel said:
Depends, is Berbs a warm and fuzzy type of guy in the squad = no. Did Berbs manage to have a special relationship with Keano = quite obviously.

People would have to be crazy to say Kane has nothing to learn from Berbatov, vision, movement, link up play, Berbs is better, Kane is now a better finisher, but that's fine.

The question is, would Berbatov prefer being #3 at a club like us (where I think he enjoyed his time), vs. #1 in a struggling all season club? and would he be willing to take on a mentor/advisor role.
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you cannot teach vision, awareness....you either have the ability or not. Kane's movement is fine, id say Berbs has the edge regarding his link up play. The big quaetion mark over kane is can he replicate this seasons form. If he can then we have no problems whatsoever because what he has shown so far has proved to be bloody brilliant.
 
it's not so much about active teaching, just being the on the same training pitch as someone with that ability will have an influence, its osmosis
 
DublinSpur said:
I don't understand the people who are happy to go into the season with just two strikers. It's awful management to base our club's entire season on Kane remaining fit and on form. Because the suggestion that any one striker - whether it's Ings or Benteke - would allow us to successfully challenge in at least three competitions (which is a bare minimum in my eyes) is just delusional. And it's too important a position to be relying on midfielders "filling in".

With the expectation that we actually intend to challenge in all four competitions, and playing the kind of system we are currently, we need two "first choice" strikers, at least one of whom is capable of playing in the hole, so they can play together if the situation calls for it. You also need either a younger striker, or a quality veteran willing to spend time on the bench (as cover).

Anything else... the "oh don't worry, Chadli can fill in" argument, or the "it's literally impossible that Kane won't be fit and scoring 30 goals next season" fantasy... they all take stupidly unnecessary risks with our season. Risks that can be pretty easily avoided. And they also miss a pretty important point... Pochettino clearly agrees with the three striker strategy. We started this season with three of them... two first choice strikers (Adebayor and Soldado) to challenge for the starting spot, and a youngster who would hopefully allow for some rotation (Kane). The fact that both Soldado and Ade failed to turn up wasn't exactly part of the manager's plan. He didn't intend to rely on a 22 year old unproven striker for damn near every goal. The fact that Kane was good enough to step up saved our year. But it was hardly guaranteed.

I see no reason why Pochettino is going to change his previous philosophy just because we got lucky last year. I'm pretty sure he will buy a genuine competitor for Kane's position, and we will also have a third striker, whether it's a promotion from the Academy or a youngster / veteran we bring in. We started last year with 3 strikers. I'll take an even-money bet with anyone that we start with at least three next season (one of whom - like Kane last August - probably won't be expected to get much playing time in the premier league).

It's unlikely to be Benteke - because he'll cost too much and there will be other teams in for him that can offer better wages (IMO). And it's unlikely to be Ings because he seems pretty set on going to Liverpool for some reason (wouldn't be my choice of destination if I were a football player right now; I think they could be in for a tough couple of seasons with Gerrard leaving - he was a shadow of his former self on the field this year, but I suspect he still played a major role in holding a fairly fractious squad together... it could all unravel at Liverpool next season unless they bring in a top quality manager).

If I had to guess, I think we might bring in Lambert as the third choice striker. If he's willing to do the travelling to Georgia and Warsaw, play in the league cup and get some premier league time as a substitute when we're already two up... then I can see it happening. As for the guy who will be challenging Kane? No idea. Probably someone we've not even be linked with yet.
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I agree with the thrust of your points. We need three strikers - one as back up for Kane and one that offers genuine competition. I disagree with you on Benteke though. He would be perfect imo. There may be someone else out there that offers the same but I haven't seen him.
 
I reckon Michu could do a job as a back up player to Kane, does not seemed to be fancied by Swansea any more which is why he was sent out on loan.
 
Pirate55 said:
I agree with the thrust of your points. We need three strikers - one as back up for Kane and one that offers genuine competition. I disagree with you on Benteke though. He would be perfect imo. There may be someone else out there that offers the same but I haven't seen him.
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I agree that we need 3 striker options. I'm not sure we need or realistically can expect a striker option that (from the outset) offers genuine competition to Kane. Kane can have a significantly worse season next season around and still be a great striker for us. This season he's been our clear first choice after establishing himself and a true attacking star for us.

Looking at other teams I don't see many teams with genuine competition for their attacking stars. Chelsea have back/cover for Costa, not competition. City do not have genuine competition for Aguero. You could argue that United have genuine competition, but primarily because of so many of their strikers/forward players underperforming massively. Around the continent the top (and close to top) clubs as a rule do not have genuine competition for top class strikers/forwards from what I can see.
 
braineclipse said:
I agree that we need 3 striker options. I'm not sure we need or realistically can expect a striker option that (from the outset) offers genuine competition to Kane. Kane can have a significantly worse season next season around and still be a great striker for us. This season he's been our clear first choice after establishing himself and a true attacking star for us.

Looking at other teams I don't see many teams with genuine competition for their attacking stars. Chelsea have back/cover for Costa, not competition. City do not have genuine competition for Aguero. You could argue that United have genuine competition, but primarily because of so many of their strikers/forward players underperforming massively. Around the continent the top (and close to top) clubs as a rule do not have genuine competition for top class strikers/forwards from what I can see.
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Glad to see we agree at least that we need three strikers. Realistically we only have one at present. Therefore we have to bring in two.

I disagree with you that other top clubs don't have realistic competition for their main striker. Chelsea have a plethora of options if Costa is out. They even apparently want Falcao. Personally, I would not be surprised to see them buy Benteke to replace the physical presence of Drogba. Same with Emirates Marketing Project, Arsenal and United. We desperately need more potent firepower.
 
Pirate55 said:
Glad to see we agree at least that we need three strikers. Realistically we only have one at present. Therefore we have to bring in two.

I disagree with you that other top clubs don't have realistic competition for their main striker. Chelsea have a plethora of options if Costa is out. They even apparently want Falcao. Personally, I would not be surprised to see them buy Benteke to replace the physical presence of Drogba. Same with Emirates Marketing Project, Arsenal and United. We desperately need more potent firepower.
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I think that the thing with Chelsea is that they did not have three strikers who all expected to start. They had a clear first choice, with a veteran understudy and a third option who can also play wide. I think that many of us would be happy if we went into next season in a similar position.
 
No-one yet seems to have got the memo. So let me spell it out.
WE NEED STRIKERS.

Don't wait till the last minute when we will be shopping in the Saha, Pav and (the guy who was really useless..fill in your own selection here) bin.

Strikers cost money. Good strikers cost big money. Let's get going here ffs.
 
Pirate55 said:
No-one yet seems to have got the memo. So let me spell it out.
WE NEED STRIKERS.

Don't wait till the last minute when we will be shopping in the Saha, Pav and (the guy who was really useless..fill in your own selection here) bin.

Strikers cost money. Good strikers cost big money. Let's get going here ffs.
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But the RIGHT striker costs time and research skills

Big money does not equal big success
 
I agree with the fact that for me it's our most key position to get the right players in but it's also the hardest

We can't rely on Ade for anything and he clearly isn't one that Poch fancies

soldado can't buy a goal and needs to leave for his own sanity

That leaves us with Kane who may well be exhausted come the start of the season

I have no idea really who we can sign who would happily be an alternative and back up to Kane but we have to sign at least one player IMO and ideally 2 otherwise were fuxked
 
Bedfordspurs said:
I agree with the fact that for me it's our most key position to get the right players in but it's also the hardest

We can't rely on Ade for anything and he clearly isn't one that Poch fancies

soldado can't buy a goal and needs to leave for his own sanity

That leaves us with Kane who may well be exhausted come the start of the season

I have no idea really who we can sign who would happily be an alternative and back up to Kane but we have to sign at least one player IMO and ideally 2 otherwise were fuxked
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We could get either (or even both) of Berahino and Austin if we wanted and that's just as an initial example.

This Summer it looks as though there will be a high number of strikers moving clubs (some already have). In January I can buy the excuse that the right players were not available or that the going rate is about 1.5 times the true value, but that isn't the case this summer. I fear that Levy is not going to do business until he gets Soldado and/or Adebayor off the books and due to the fact that both will be incredibly hard to shift that means we're likely to miss out on players and be scrapping around at the end of the window again (or worse still going with our two misfits as our backup choices to Kane).
 
Finney Is Back said:
We could get either (or even both) of Berahino and Austin if we wanted and that's just as an initial example.

This Summer it looks as though there will be a high number of strikers moving clubs (some already have). In January I can buy the excuse that the right players were not available or that the going rate is about 1.5 times the true value, but that isn't the case this summer. I fear that Levy is not going to do business until he gets Soldado and/or Adebayor off the books and due to the fact that both will be incredibly hard to shift that means we're likely to miss out on players and be scrapping around at the end of the window again (or worse still going with our two misfits as our backup choices to Kane).
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If we wait until we sell them it will be too late but it's a chicken and egg scenario...

Personally the two you mention are two of the three I'd love (benteke too) but somehow I don't think we will be after them and whisk either of them be happy playing second fiddle to Kane

Berahino certainly has the versatility to play wide as well so that helps. The brick about his driving ban doesn't bother me as I've seen plenty do great players have those kind of off the field issues

Austin is more of a goal scorer than an all rounder and could compliment the side too. I guess he would be keen for a chance at a bigger side anyway so that's a plus
 
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