Summer transfer thread, AvB window wrap up pg 1527

[indianspur]

It seems like the pro AVB camp are getting their excuses in nice and early. They forget that for the last 2 seasons levy didn't really back Redknapp either in terms of signings and we still finished top 4 and got to a champions league quarter final.

yeah but he did have Modric, he had Ade, he had King when fit, Levy gave him Parker, even had important contributions at times from the likes of Pavlyuchenko, Kranjcar, Corluka

take all that away and what are you left with....Jenas, Bentley, Livermore and Kane#-o

 

[Rossi22]

who is not good enough that Arry signed?

He was here four years, that's long enough to build your own squad, that includes getting rid of those that were here before him. I'm not getting into this with you as we know where it'll go. If you think Harry has left AVB a happy, healthy and balanced squad then I don't know what to say. AVB and Levy have a ton of work to do.

 

[Kingdawson]

GB has a point. Harry left us with a good 11-14 players but the rest were either short term fillers, unhappy or just not good enough. He left us with one striker and has the nerve to say it's a squad that can win the League.

What do you mean Harry left us with 11-14 good players? like levy doesn't have anything to do with who we shift out. Arry didn't even sign most of the "not good enough" players you're referring too so how exactly can you try and put the blame on him.

Sandro, Kaboul, VDV, and Walker are 4 player bought under Arry that will more then likely be starting next weeks season opener.

 

[Kingdawson]

He was here four years, that's long enough to build your own squad, that includes getting rid of those that were here before him. I'm not getting into this with you as we know where it'll go. If you think Harry has left AVB a happy, healthy and balanced squad then I don't know what to say. AVB and Levy have a ton of work to do.

HAHAHAHAHAHA Arry didn't buy those bad players you're referring to but somehow in your mind it's his fault we didn't sell those players:ross:

Nothing at all to do with Jenas, bentley and co being complete garbage that no club wants, and nothing to do with Levy either.

 

[Gutter Boy]

who is not good enough that Arry signed?

Defoe and Bassong of the current deadwood are his (Bentley, Jenas, Gio and Gomes pre-date him, but wtf are they still here 4 years later). Plus Pienaar, Krancjar, Crouch, Keane etc. who have all already been moved on.

There's also the issue that Parker, Gallas and Friedel are on their very last legs now.

 

[marcospur2]

He was here four years, that's long enough to build your own squad, that includes getting rid of those that were here before him. I'm not getting into this with you as we know where it'll go. If you think Harry has left AVB a happy, healthy and balanced squad then I don't know what to say. AVB and Levy have a ton of work to do.

But how do you know what Levy was like during this period? By all accounts he was sceptical about Parker yet most would recognise his importance last season. Sorry but cannot see how Harry can attract so much blame, especially when he had far less involvement in transfers than at any previous club. Harry knew full well our weaknesses, and mentioned then on many occassions. Yet we still got 4th. Harry arrived in a much worse situation and worked magic, under AVB i'd be surprised if we manage top 5 if our chairman doesn't open his chequebook to address those weaknesses he more than anyone is responsible for.

 

[SUIYHA]

You know...in a way I kinda wish we hadn't got the last minute VdV deal. Sure, we signed a great player at a great price, but it's probably given Levy ideas that he can wait until the last minute and something will come up. Which is a risky game to play. A player like VdV may come alone at a knock down price every once in a while, but more often we get brick like Frasier Campbell, Louis Saha or Ryan Nelsen. As long as I can remember the only really good signings we've ever made on transfer deadline day have been VdV, Parker and Defoe in 2004. We've also had a number of bids for players fall through because we wasted too much time in getting them wrapped up - see Gary Cahill last season, and a few more embarassing episodes where we bid for players like Kevin Doyle, Charlie Adam and (lol) Michael Ricketts but didn't get things done in time and ended up short in that area of the pitch in the next half season.

It's like if you go out on the pull and go into a club 5 minutes before closing. Sure, every now and again you'll find an absolute stunner who's had a fight with her boyfriend and wants to go home with the first guy she sees for a revenge fudge, but 99% of the time all you'll be able to see on that dance floor by that time are the mingers that nobody else wanted.

 

[Ganter]

I think last window fudged us up severely, worst business in the clubs history not to make a marquee signing and push for 3rd, instead we spiraled out of control, mainly due to having a manager that was facing criminal charging and being haunted by the media regarding the England job.

Saha and Nelsen are fringe players, no matter what the club is. We were in a fantastic position to challange for the title but the old man´s off the field problems and failure in that window caused us to miss out on CL

 

[marcospur2]

HAHAHAHAHAHA Arry didn't buy those bad players you're referring to but somehow in your mind it's his fault we didn't sell those players:ross:

Nothing at all to do with Jenas, bentley and co being complete garbage that no club wants, and nothing to do with Levy either.

I wonder how much of them still being here is Levy wanting ridiculous fees for them. Sounds about right: massive fees for our player, insult others for theirs.

 

[marcospur2]

I think last window fudged us up severely, worst business in the clubs history not to make a marquee signing and push for 3rd, instead we spiraled out of control, mainly due to having a manager that was facing criminal charging and being haunted by the media regarding the England job.

Saha and Nelsen are fringe players, no matter what the club is. We were in a fantastic position to challange for the title but the old man´s off the field problems and failure in that window caused us to miss out on CL

Agree, but Harry was a convenient cover for the dross we brought in and the fact we were reliant upon a loan signing from one of our top 4 rivals. Unfortunately for Levy the press will be out for AVB from day one, so that we have seen limited progress this window is even more surprising.

 

[indianspur]

Levy is very quick to splash the cash when we are in a crisis, but closes his wallet when things are going well....strange

 

[AdamB]

GB has a point. Harry left us with a good 11-14 players but the rest were either short term fillers, unhappy or just not good enough. He left us with one striker and has the nerve to say it's a squad that can win the League.

Crikey. Am not a harry fan however there is a massive mis-conception amonst Spurs fans I think about how strong our squad should be. We're not a regular top 4 team so we can expect to have genuine top class sitting on the bench or in teh stands! Players like Charlie, Thudd, Naughton, Defoe, Dawson, Bassong are all solid squad players even if not first choice

 

[Kingdawson]

Defoe and Bassong of the current deadwood are his (Bentley, Jenas, Gio and Gomes pre-date him, but wtf are they still here 4 years later). Plus Pienaar, Krancjar, Crouch, Keane etc. who have all already been moved on.

There's also the issue that Parker, Gallas and Friedel are on their very last legs now.

Look here i know your hatred for Harry (not only you btw) knows no bounds but you're argument is ridiculous. You're blaming Harry Redknapp for the fact that we haven't managed to shift deadwood players THAT HE DIDN'T EVEN SIGN. All he can do as a manager is not play them if they're crap which he did (didn't Ramos the manager that you claimed would do so so well sign 3 of those jokers anyway?).

He brought in Kranjcar for £2.5m which was an absolute bargain at the time and he did more then enough to justify that price tag (was then sold for double the amount). He brought Pienaar for the same price which at the time was a steal. Ok it didn't work out but nobody can claim they thought it was a bad signing at the time. yeh maybe it was a position we wern't in desperate need of but when a player of his quality becomes available at that price you sign him (we again sold him for nearly double that). Keane was a flop but he's not here so why are you bringing him up? Crouch the same is not here and we recouped our £££.

So Defoe and Bassong are the 2 'flops' currently in our squad. That's it? 2 players? hahahah you can't even call them flops anyway but whatever.

 

[marcospur2]

Levy is very quick to splash the cash when we are in a crisis, but closes his wallet when things are going well....strange

I think most fans find it very hard to understand what the strategy (assuming one exists) has been regarding transfers the past 2 years. If it is a product of limited resources due to the stadium and training ground project then okay most can understand that. But I just don't get what Levy is up to. I know his personal situation is bad right now, but generally we don't seem to be able to financially compete or are often too clever for our own good in how we pursue transfer deals. I for one am not convinced at all that if we do sell Modric (GHod help us) he will actually spend that money. Considering many fans believed/expected we had money on top of income from sales the window so far has been tragic.

 

[AdamB]

I think most fans find it very hard to understand what the strategy (assuming one exists) has been regarding transfers the past 2 years. If it is a product of limited resources due to the stadium and training ground project then okay most can understand that. But I just don't get what Levy is up to. I know his personal situation is bad right now, but generally we don't seem to be able to financially compete or are often too clever for our own good in how we pursue transfer deals. I for one am not convinced at all that if we do sell Modric (GHod help us) he will actually spend that money. Considering many fans believed/expected we had money on top of income from sales the window so far has been tragic.

I thats the main reason - stadium. Secondary, and mainly only applying in the last 2 windows, would have been that Levy and Harry surely would have realised that their relationship wasnt viable in the long term and Levy therefore wouldnt back Harry (right in my view as Harry's signings are usually only 1-2 years from being ready for the knackers yard)

 

[africanspurs]

who is not good enough that Arry signed?

He is a certified harry hater. dont worry about it

 

[marcospur2]

I thats the main reason - stadium. Secondary, and mainly only applying in the last 2 windows, would have been that Levy and Harry surely would have realised that their relationship wasnt viable in the long term and Levy therefore wouldnt back Harry (right in my view as Harry's signings are usually only 1-2 years from being ready for the knackers yard)

Stadium and training ground is fair enough, especially considering their significance to the club's future. Hopefully naming rights etc will help with costs very soon.

But on the latter point, probably truth in the breakdown point, but the remainder of this window will reveal just how willing Levy is to back AVB. I am not convinced he will, and that will be very disappointing considering he sacked HR for a very risky appointment in AVB.

 

[africanspurs]

Look here i know your hatred for Harry (not only you btw) knows no bounds but you're argument is ridiculous. You're blaming Harry Redknapp for the fact that we haven't managed to shift deadwood players THAT HE DIDN'T EVEN SIGN. All he can do as a manager is not play them if they're crap which he did (didn't Ramos the manager that you claimed would do so so well sign 3 of those jokers anyway?).

He brought in Kranjcar for £2.5m which was an absolute bargain at the time and he did more then enough to justify that price tag (was then sold for double the amount). He brought Pienaar for the same price which at the time was a steal. Ok it didn't work out but nobody can claim they thought it was a bad signing at the time. yeh maybe it was a position we wern't in desperate need of but when a player of his quality becomes available at that price you sign him (we again sold him for nearly double that). Keane was a flop but he's not here so why are you bringing him up? Crouch the same is not here and we recouped our £££.

So Defoe and Bassong are the 2 'flops' currently in our squad. That's it? 2 players? hahahah you can't even call them flops anyway but whatever.

bravo!!!

 

[punk_is_back`]

Crikey. Am not a harry fan however there is a massive mis-conception amonst Spurs fans I think about how strong our squad should be. We're not a regular top 4 team so we can expect to have genuine top class sitting on the bench or in teh stands! Players like Charlie, Thudd, Naughton, Defoe, Dawson, Bassong are all solid squad players even if not first choice

The thing is we all agree these players are decent. Thudd is one of our best central Midfielders and was one of the first names on Redknapps teamsheets. Naughton is still unproven so this is his season.
When it comes to Defoe, at present he is not backup, he is our only senior striker and this is because redknapp couldn't identify anyone in the long term to bolster the squad other than Tevez. Our only choice was for levy to persevere with Ade and Saha as short term options as his manager was clueless when it came to identifying players. I believe this is one of the reasons he was sacked for as he was unrealistic in his transfer target and didn't have the scouting infrastructure in place to build for the future.

Dawson is a solid defender and has very rarely let us down however he is injury prone. Bassong and him were instrumental in getting us 4th place, however Redknapp is very good at marginalising players and he has done so with Krancjar, Charlie and Bassong who all are in their early to mid twenties and could have added some much needed energy to our squad come last mid season.

 

[AdamB]

Stadium and training ground is fair enough, especially considering their significance to the club's future. Hopefully naming rights etc will help with costs very soon.

But on the latter point, probably truth in the breakdown point, but the remainder of this window will reveal just how willing Levy is to back AVB. I am not convinced he will, and that will be very disappointing considering he sacked HR for a very risky appointment in AVB.

He wont hire a manager and not back him. The stadium will be the main hinderance along with us actually being able to afford the stupid prices that players are going for nowadays

Anyone half decent is the best part of £20m!!!