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Set Pieces

parklane1 said:
The thing with dead ball situations is that they usually ( for various reasons) do not work out most of the time. Time has not changed this but the perspective of fans probably has. For example take Goldenballs and his free kicks outside the box, now if you listen to the so called experts ( pundits and the like) he was ace and the best around, but if you check out his success rate it was no better then most % wise.

Fans today ( for some unknown reason) think if they do not work all the time then they must be brick.
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I think you're spot on. I also think tv-highlights influences perception on this quite a lot. Every week, sometimes many times a week, we're exposed to some team somewhere scoring a set piece goal. Whereas every week we watch us not score from the vast majority (or all) of our set pieces. "Why can't we just do like X" where X changes every week to whatever player or team just succeeded becomes the thinking and disappointment sets in.

Of course back in the day when you were young and football highlights were delivered by steam train and the pony express that wasn't a problem ;)
 
Spurs7891 said:
Interesting stats. Nice to see us scoring the most and conceding the least number of goals from set pieces. But really disappointing that we have only scored 3 goals from freekicks despite having one of the best freekick specialists like Eriksen. For some reason, Eriksen has not been at his best when it comes to taking freekicks this season.
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Even 'the best' don't score that often

http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2015/11/1...eadliest-free-kick-taker-not-messi-or-ronald/
 
I know we have scored loads of goals from set pieces this season on the whole, but that stat masks the fact that we have been dry on this front for quite some time. We are due a few Eriksen freekicks and Alderweireld flicks this run-in...
 
Pandy said:
I know we have scored loads of goals from set pieces this season on the whole, but that stat masks the fact that we have been dry on this front for quite some time. We are due a few Eriksen freekicks and Alderweireld flicks this run-in...
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Teams have cottoned on to the Alderweireld run from back post to near post, we need another variation.
 
Pandy said:
I know we have scored loads of goals from set pieces this season on the whole, but that stat masks the fact that we have been dry on this front for quite some time. We are due a few Eriksen freekicks and Alderweireld flicks this run-in...
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Iirc, both our goals against Swansea were from corners. Don't know if they counted as goals from set pieces. Depends how many touches after the set piece it's not considered a set piece goal anymore.
 
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...fence-of-the-corner-a-much-maligned-set-piece
Football fans have a curious relationship with corners. For a set piece that, according to Opta, leads to a goal only 3.2% of the time, they don’t half get excited about them.
A stadium invariably gets louder when a corner is given and there is a heightened sense of anticipation or fear depending on who you are supporting.
Yet, never before has the prevailing opinion on this particular set piece seemed more scathing, with many fans’ forums containing a thread with a title along the lines of “Why are we so bad at corners?” and the phrase “You’ve got to be able to beat the first man” right up there at the top of the co-commentator cliche bingo list.
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Goals from corners 2016/17:

West Brom: 14 goals from 119 corners taken (11.8%)
West Ham: 9 goals from 144 corners taken (6.3%)
Chelsea: 7 from 164 (4.3%)
Palace: 7 from 148 (4.7%)
Liverpool: 6 from 209 (2.9%)
Burnley: 6 from 121 (5.0%)
Hull: 5 from 135 (3.7%)
Swansea: 5 from 142 (3.5%)
Stoke: 5 from 142 (3.5%)
Arsenal: 5 from 153 (3.3%)
Watford: 4 from 122 (3.3%)
Southampton: 4 from 142 (2.8%)
Leicester: 4 from 148 (2.7%)
Everton: 4 from 155 (2.6%)
Bournemouth: 4 from 169 (2.4%)
Man Utd: 4 from 175 (2.3%)
Middlesbrough: 3 from 108 (2.8%)
Tottenham: 3 from 199 (1.5%)
Emirates Marketing Project: 2 from 200 (1.0%)
Sunderland: 0 from 115 (0.0%)
 
SteveAWOL said:
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...fence-of-the-corner-a-much-maligned-set-piece


Goals from corners 2016/17:

West Brom: 14 goals from 119 corners taken (11.8%)
West Ham: 9 goals from 144 corners taken (6.3%)
Chelsea: 7 from 164 (4.3%)
Palace: 7 from 148 (4.7%)
Liverpool: 6 from 209 (2.9%)
Burnley: 6 from 121 (5.0%)
Hull: 5 from 135 (3.7%)
Swansea: 5 from 142 (3.5%)
Stoke: 5 from 142 (3.5%)
Arsenal: 5 from 153 (3.3%)
Watford: 4 from 122 (3.3%)
Southampton: 4 from 142 (2.8%)
Leicester: 4 from 148 (2.7%)
Everton: 4 from 155 (2.6%)
Bournemouth: 4 from 169 (2.4%)
Man Utd: 4 from 175 (2.3%)
Middlesbrough: 3 from 108 (2.8%)
Tottenham: 3 from 199 (1.5%)
Emirates Marketing Project: 2 from 200 (1.0%)
Sunderland: 0 from 115 (0.0%)
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So more than a quarter of all Albion's goals come from corners compared with less than 6% of ours.
 
just watched a great game : arsenal 2 -2 Emirates Marketing Project
1 of the 4 goals came from the corner, and those are two very disciplined teams with really skillful players

not sure about the stats, but intuitively the more organized the team and better the players, the higher the chance of scoring from corners !
 
parklane1 said:
Well we would get that many if we employed Pullis, funny thing is i would rather we did not.
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Intelligently-worked out corners are a free hit. Yet our conversion rate is among the very worst in the Premier League in this regard.

It does not take a genius to work out that had we managed a few more goals from them this season we'd doubtless be giving Chelsea a much tougher time right now.
 
I'd love to know why the corner taker has to put his hands up when he's about to take the corner,all the players can see what he's doing, we know you're going to kick it in to the box, am I missing something here ?
 
Mr_B said:
I'd love to know why the corner taker has to put his hands up when he's about to take the corner,all the players can see what he's doing, we know you're going to kick it in to the box, am I missing something here ?
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Normally a corner kicker will signal his intent before he takes the corner - near post, far post, penalty spot, etc to give his team-mates an idea of where the ball is going beforehand. I know with Eriksen it's not easy to tell.......
 
Pirate55 said:
Normally a corner kicker will signal his intent before he takes the corner - near post, far post, penalty spot, etc to give his team-mates an idea of where the ball is going beforehand. I know with Eriksen it's not easy to tell.......
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First defender's left or right shin.
 
SteveAWOL said:
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...fence-of-the-corner-a-much-maligned-set-piece


Goals from corners 2016/17:

West Brom: 14 goals from 119 corners taken (11.8%)
West Ham: 9 goals from 144 corners taken (6.3%)
Chelsea: 7 from 164 (4.3%)
Palace: 7 from 148 (4.7%)
Liverpool: 6 from 209 (2.9%)
Burnley: 6 from 121 (5.0%)
Hull: 5 from 135 (3.7%)
Swansea: 5 from 142 (3.5%)
Stoke: 5 from 142 (3.5%)
Arsenal: 5 from 153 (3.3%)
Watford: 4 from 122 (3.3%)
Southampton: 4 from 142 (2.8%)
Leicester: 4 from 148 (2.7%)
Everton: 4 from 155 (2.6%)
Bournemouth: 4 from 169 (2.4%)
Man Utd: 4 from 175 (2.3%)
Middlesbrough: 3 from 108 (2.8%)
Tottenham: 3 from 199 (1.5%)
Emirates Marketing Project: 2 from 200 (1.0%)
Sunderland: 0 from 115 (0.0%)
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It's almost as if everyone skipped the bit about corners being a terrible scoring method and looked straight to the numbers below it.....
 
Mr_B said:
I'd love to know why the corner taker has to put his hands up when he's about to take the corner,all the players can see what he's doing, we know you're going to kick it in to the box, am I missing something here ?
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Funny you should say that because I noticed that for once yesterday Eriksen put his arm up as per usual as he was about to take a FK but then, instead of sending over the predictable low cross he cheekily squared the ball directly to one of our unmarked players (forget who) around the edge of the box who was then able to have a clear shot on goal.

Anyone else remember it?
 
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