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Saido Berahino
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Rorschach
Sonny Walters
tease...out with it
bennysleftfoot
Steven Caulker
I know it sounds like I'm a tease but I promised someone I wouldn't post it here, he's worried that his 'source' will be found out.
what I heard kind of makes sense though, berahino has been an unused league sub the past few weeks and has been playing for the u21s. that ties in with the time frame of the events that I've heard of.
I'll speak to who told me and see if he'll let me divulge more.
and no, it's not the tea lady at spurs lodge.
what I heard kind of makes sense though, berahino has been an unused league sub the past few weeks and has been playing for the u21s. that ties in with the time frame of the events that I've heard of.
I'll speak to who told me and see if he'll let me divulge more.
and no, it's not the tea lady at spurs lodge.
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
In a game where we got the early goal, in a game we really didn't have to win, but our opponents had to go for the win?
That's not really our problem area. Our problem, if we're not playing Kane, is much more against teams that are happy with a draw/the current result. That either sit back or press high in a well organized patient manner and don't give us the chance to attack on the break by playing low risk on the ball.
I struggle to see how Berahino is a great fit for those situations. Could do a job in the attacking midfield trio, or as a striker with Kane behind him or alongside him? Sure... But if we're planning on spending £20m+ for a striker so that we're not as reliant on Kane I would want it to be someone actually capable of playing Kane's role in the team from time to time.
I think having players in the attacking four who are comfortable interchanging throughout the game is how Poch wants us to end up - that's how Kane plays and how Berahino can play, as well how we have used N'jie, Lamela Son and to a lesser extent Chadli - we're not in the market for players who can only play as a CF or for players with certain situations in mind (playing against teams who sit back and make things compact) we want players that fit our system as it is and I think Berahino fits in to that and that he also brings a more natural ability as the CF than our other options (other than Kane of course)
Kane has started every single league game since his Villa sub last season so I'm not sure how we can say what our problem is breaking teams down when he is not in the team (as he's always been in the team...)
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
Replace Kane with Berahino in what looks like our current first choice line-up. That's a front 4 made up of 4 from Berahino, Lamela, Eriksen, Son, Alli or Dembele. Unless we plan on using Dembele in the #10 role I think that leaves us rather short on physicality and height in that front 4. Interchanging or not.
Looking at Pochettino's Southampton team he relied quite heavily on Lambert. The one striker they signed under him was Osvaldo - not a classic target man perhaps, but certainly a fairly strong striker type - bit like Kane (though brick in comparison). For us Pochettino seemed to give Adebayor a real go at getting his head right, after that Kane forced his way into the team and then the starting line-up.
Looking at other coaches that play a similar-ish style to Pochettino quite a few of them have also had a lot of success with a tall and strong front man at the very least as an option, but actually fairly often as a clear first choice.
Our only option for that tall strong front man right now is Kane. If we're going to spend a lot of money on someone that can play up front I would like it to be another player that can fill that role. If we want another quick player who can dribble and score goals I think Son and Clinton look like good options. Perhaps Berahino is better than most in that role as a striker, perhaps not, but to me he doesn't look better by enough to warrant spending a lot of money.
I don't think we need a 'big strong' player in place of Kane - N'Jie, Onomah Lamela and Son showed last night it's more about tenacity than it is physicality - as for how he setup with Lambert at Southampton, I think Pochettino has shown between this season and last that he isn't afraid to tweak his game plan if something isn't working (or if he thinks something else would work better) so I'm not sure that his reliance on Lambert 3 seasons ago is a very strong indicator of the type of forward he wants now - we targeted Martial and Berahino last summer, going by the strongest links at the time and weren't really linked with any powerhouses, so for me it seems that's the route we're looking to go down
Maybe if this Batshuyi combines both tenacity and physicality he'd be preferred?
Maybe if this Batshuyi combines both tenacity and physicality he'd be preferred?
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
I think the tenacity is a requirement regardless of any other attributes. I don't think a single game where we scored early on from our first chance shows that we can do without physicality up front...
It has been working with a complete forward with some height and strength, that's part of my point. We haven't seen us without that for an extended period of time, knock on wood that we won't any time soon. But we would have to change that not to change from something that isn't working, but rather to change from something that is working if we have to do without Kane at any point.
Not necessarily looking for a true powerhouse striker like Lambert. But someone a bit more complete than Berahino would be my choice (luckily it's not up to me).
Look at Dortmund struggling after losing Lewandowski, having managed losses of other key players just fine for years. Look at Costa and Mandzukic for Atletico Madrid. The complete striker lone forward seems to be a vital player to quite a few teams that play a somewhat similar style to ours. It's arguably the one role where we have no real backup at the moment in our team. It's also a role where it doesn't seem we have any young players close to breaking through.
Whereas for the role Berahino seems to prefer we actually have decent cover.
Just doesn't strike me as a particularly good fit. His attitude also doesn't seem like a great fit to me.
That being said - a complete striker like Kane, that's also capable of playing with Kane in our 4-2-3-1 (read play wide or as a #10), that's also has great work rate/tenacity and the discipline required is undoubtedly difficult to find. I don't know enough about Batshuyi or Dembele to know if they are in fact better options than Berahino. Might be that they're not and Berahino really is the best option out there...
Finney Is Back
Luka Modric
You have this one very wrong. We made multiple (serious) bids for Berahino on deadline day. Pochettino wanted him and Levy was trying to fulfill the manager's wishes. We were in constant contact with Berahino's agent throughout the day. The only reason that we didn't end up getting him is because it ended up becoming personal with Peace. He made it a point of principle to not sell the player to us due to our tactic of not making serious enough bids until very late on in the window. It was reasonably clear to me that we thought we could exploit the player wanting to join us and having just gone into the final two years of his contract.
Also I see that you have stated Berahino's preferred position is LWF? From where have you got this? While Berahino can play as an 11, 7 or 10, his preferred position is number 9 and part of his dissatisfaction at WBA is the fact that Pullis likes to have the muscle of Rondon at number 9.
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Lemonade Money
Les Medley
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
I think in the absence of Kane we'd like play Chadli CF and Berahino LWF
glorygloryeze
Tom Huddlestone
Why do you say that out of interest?
What have you seen from how we play, how Berahino plays and how Chadli plays that makes you think we would set up that way?
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Chadli's more physical and can play with his back to goal - just more of a like-for-like with Kane.
Berahino plays on the shoulder, but we've already got Njie to do that
Gazza
Frederic Kanoute
Gb i got to say i completely disagree .... chadli has looked very poor as a striker
Finney Is Back
Luka Modric
More physical than what?.... A ballet dancer? Also since when has Chadli played with his back to goal?
Additionally from what I have seen of N'jie, he not yet anywhere near ready to play CF in England, he also always seems to want to peel out wide as well.
I sometimes wonder whether you have actually watched Berahino play for either West Brom or England under 21s? While he has some pace so can play on the shoulder, that isn't what I have seen from him at all in terms of his style of play. Have you just decided that because he has some pace and doesn't have a particularly imposing stature that it follows that he must play on the shoulder?
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Have we played him with quick WFs like Son, Njie or Berahino supporting though?
Gazza
Frederic Kanoute
That is a massive punt. .. he has not looked accomplished enough to build around. I don't think his attributes or skill warrant a look in as a striker
I don't think Chadli up front would work,but we have seen next to nothing of him as a striker - so not sure how you can say he's looked very poor as a striker....
Armchair Expert
Vedran Corluka
Signing Berahino would potentially be a great move because he wont have to sit on the bench behind Kane. If we buy a traditional forward in the mould of Harry then we have two players going for one spot. If we buy Berahino he's versatility means he wont just fill in for Kane against lesser teams and through injuries, but both can be in the starting 11 at the same time.