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Erik Edman
It's seven - the threshold was raised from 5 a couple of years ago. If a player then collects 10 cautions he will receive a 2-game ban. The cut-off date is some point in April.
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Ryan Mason
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It's seven - the threshold was raised from 5 a couple of years ago. If a player then collects 10 cautions he will receive a 2-game ban. The cut-off date is some point in April.
Danishfurniturelover
the prettiest spice girl
23 years to make his breakthrough season?
Bit harsh did you expect him to make the first team when he was 8 years old?
Think you should take at least the first 17 years out the equation.
I'm not sure anyone has said that have they?
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
Spot on.
Seems very far fetched to me to describe a player playing as one of the deep two in a 4-2-3-1 as an attacking midfielder.
Agreed. I quite like his shooting. Not extreme power perhaps, but he seems good at getting the ball on target with a nice striking technique. Calm and composed when he strikes it and can hit it with both feet.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
IMO Mason plays the Modric role. He's deep-sitting, but his main attribute is his constant recycling of the ball. Mason is actually more offensive than Modric due to his shooting and his ability to be able to get up into the box more often
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
The FA website disagrees with you: http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/suspensions
Edit: That page is now also updated under the "One caution away" section and includes both Lee Cattermole and Gareth Barry, both currently on 9 yellows.
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Spur of the moment
Frederic Kanoute
Mason? Really? How was he at fault for the Arsenal goal?
milo
Jack L. Jones
There's a discussion on this on the match ratings threas
Spur of the moment
Frederic Kanoute
Cheers, now I see. Just sounded - out of context - like Ginola was piling ALL the blame for the goal on Mason there
.Still seems a tad harsh to say he was actually at fault. Could even be argued Mason's harrying contributed towards Giroud shanking his attempt, which would otherwise have hit the corner flag had it not been for the unmarked Ozil.
Ginola99
Steven Caulker
I put this in the other thread -
"Mason was goalside of Giroud but didn't react as quickly as him. When he (Grioud) was a couple of foot in front, Mason started sprinting but it was too late. Walker notices Mason is not getting back, you can see him turn his head twice as Welbeck is going down the wing, Walker moves across to help with the immediate danger (Giroud) leaving Ozil."
I think there was a couple of mistakes in the lead up to the goal and Mason's had the most impact if you like. Rose getting beat the way he did (don't think he anticipated how quick or cheeky it was of Welbeck to knock the ball past him so early and run the other side), Vertonghen casually running back until the last moment (a sprint and he would have probably cut the ball out to Giroud), Mason (as above, he knew Giroud was there, let him run past him and never recovered), and Giroud would have probably just controlled the ball had Walker not come across to cover and we would have been slating Walker if he stayed on Ozil and that happened. The ball was played infront of Giroud and across to his left foot, Mason was behind and to Giroud's right side..
Watch it all play out here.. http://www.timesoccer.com/video/011/20-arsenal-vs-tottenham-live-highlights.html
"Mason was goalside of Giroud but didn't react as quickly as him. When he (Grioud) was a couple of foot in front, Mason started sprinting but it was too late. Walker notices Mason is not getting back, you can see him turn his head twice as Welbeck is going down the wing, Walker moves across to help with the immediate danger (Giroud) leaving Ozil."
I think there was a couple of mistakes in the lead up to the goal and Mason's had the most impact if you like. Rose getting beat the way he did (don't think he anticipated how quick or cheeky it was of Welbeck to knock the ball past him so early and run the other side), Vertonghen casually running back until the last moment (a sprint and he would have probably cut the ball out to Giroud), Mason (as above, he knew Giroud was there, let him run past him and never recovered), and Giroud would have probably just controlled the ball had Walker not come across to cover and we would have been slating Walker if he stayed on Ozil and that happened. The ball was played infront of Giroud and across to his left foot, Mason was behind and to Giroud's right side..
Watch it all play out here.. http://www.timesoccer.com/video/011/20-arsenal-vs-tottenham-live-highlights.html
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Giroud got a start on him at the half-way line. But that's very indirect compared with others' roles.
Ginola99
Steven Caulker
Giroud got a start on him because he let him, the two clashed just over the half way line and Mason was infront of him running towards goal (they actually touch hands and try to palm one another off so both know they are there), Giroud wanted it more and run past Mason, who tried to recover but couldn't. If he had reacted first and stayed goalside the ball would not have got to Giroud (either cut out by Mason or not played as he would have been marked) and Walker would not have had to come across or the ball make its way to Ozil..
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Giroud spent the entire match bored and isolated on the halfway line. Mason covered something like 12 miles and made countless interceptions. You can't criticise him for the one time he got caught on his heels/a bit leggy, when he made such a phenomenal all-round contribute
Finney Is Back
Luka Modric
IMO the order of 'blame' for that goal was:
1. Vertonghen - rash attempt to win the ball up near the half way line and then slow to recover afterwards.
2. Rose - beaten for pace too easily by Wellbeck, with Vertonghen not in position probably should've been shepherding Wellbeck to take the long route round the outside of him.
3. Mason - should've busted a gut to track Giroud's run (I wonder if he didn't because he wouldn't normally expect to be required to pick up Giroud)
4. Dier - stood there watching instead of stepping up once he didn't block Wellbeck's cross.
1. Vertonghen - rash attempt to win the ball up near the half way line and then slow to recover afterwards.
2. Rose - beaten for pace too easily by Wellbeck, with Vertonghen not in position probably should've been shepherding Wellbeck to take the long route round the outside of him.
3. Mason - should've busted a gut to track Giroud's run (I wonder if he didn't because he wouldn't normally expect to be required to pick up Giroud)
4. Dier - stood there watching instead of stepping up once he didn't block Wellbeck's cross.
Spur of the moment
Frederic Kanoute
This is getting silly. Yes Giroud got the run on him so I'll concede he was marginally at fault there, but I repeat, Mason still managed to get back to him enough to harry the Arsenal striker into shanking his shot, which, again I repeat, was going way, way wide. So much so it fortuitously reached the unmarked Ozil. If that is what you call his fault then I think you are stretching the meaning of the phrase to it's outer limit.
Bedfordspurs
Vinnie Samways
Blaming mason is incredibly tenuous and actually quite pointless
It's a team game and mason is a massive cog in the team
As I've highlighted before, our results are so much better with him in the team because he plays quick balls, clever passes, wins tackles and works his arse off.
He is far from the finished article qnd has made some errors but who doesn't ... Even Steve G fell on his arse last season in arguably the biggest game of his career (league winning opportunity rather than a cup game)
It's a team game and mason is a massive cog in the team
As I've highlighted before, our results are so much better with him in the team because he plays quick balls, clever passes, wins tackles and works his arse off.
He is far from the finished article qnd has made some errors but who doesn't ... Even Steve G fell on his arse last season in arguably the biggest game of his career (league winning opportunity rather than a cup game)
Bedfordspurs
Vinnie Samways
Surely then it's Pochs fault for not drilling the players hard enough on defensive discipline and fitness...
Clearly we should sack him for it
Clearly we should sack him for it
ricky2tricky4city
Steffen Freund
Huh. This happened in the 11th minute
ricky2tricky4city
Steffen Freund
This is getting silly. Yes Giroud got the run on him so I'll concede he was marginally at fault there, but I repeat, Mason still managed to get back to him enough to harry the Arsenal striker into shanking his shot, which, again I repeat, was going way, way wide. So much so it fortuitously reached the unmarked Ozil. If that is what you call his fault then I think you are stretching the meaning of the phrase to it's outer limit.
It was those errors (all forgiveable in isolation) in combination that lead to the goal. If one of them didn't happen then the goal would have never happened and not forgetting that a shanked shot fluked its way to ozil.
But what Ginola said was true. Not silly. Mason was ahead, then behind Giroud (who lets face it, is not like chasing wellbeck) and watching that link above didn't have any impact on Giroud taking a first time shot (just Girouds ability letting him down).
I love Mason and in a way it was out of character (playing style?) to allow Giroud an unchecked run into the area. Usually he is well on top of these type of situations. I bet being the player he is, at that moment he felt some blame himself. But hey it was all good in the end.