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Roberto Soldado
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Kingdawson
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Well no....being that we probably didn't hit the targets and he DEFINITELY didn't.
Well no....being that we probably didn't hit the targets and he DEFINITELY didn't.
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
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That would be on anything above the 13m we spent. surely levy is to smart to have it any other way.
That would be on anything above the 13m we spent. surely levy is to smart to have it any other way.
Rorschach
Sonny Walters
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We should definitely give the man another chance especially if the 13mil figure is accurate or even close to it. The gamble is worth it for the potential payoff if he clicks. For whatever reason it didn't happen for him last season but I've seen enough of him before he came to Spurs to call that an outlier. The man is supremely talented and will come good. I have faith.
We should definitely give the man another chance especially if the 13mil figure is accurate or even close to it. The gamble is worth it for the potential payoff if he clicks. For whatever reason it didn't happen for him last season but I've seen enough of him before he came to Spurs to call that an outlier. The man is supremely talented and will come good. I have faith.
DHSF
Les Ferdinand
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I alluded to this earlier and I couldnt say for certain but I would imagine that there is a penalty akin to perhaps early repayments on a loan etc. I imagine it could and would be around 10% or so but thats an assumption.
I alluded to this earlier and I couldnt say for certain but I would imagine that there is a penalty akin to perhaps early repayments on a loan etc. I imagine it could and would be around 10% or so but thats an assumption.
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
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I'm guessing the Valencia negotiators aren't exactly idiots.
If there was a clause about X number of goals this season, or CL qualification this season that wasn't met and we wouldn't have to pay it.
If there was a clause about X number of games for the club there might have been a clause triggered by him being sold before Y number of years. If there was a clause about X number of goals over the next 2-3 years or CL qualification during that time there might be a sum to be paid if he's sold before that time period ends. And so on and so on.
Personally I doubt that if we only paid £13m and the rest was performance dependent it was all based on this one season. Just basing that on a guess as it seems like a very high variance gamble for Valencia to accept that. I'm also guessing that if we sell him this summer, and the £13m number is correct that we'll have to pay at least something more to Valencia. If not they've put themselves in a very weird situation when selling him.
I'm guessing the Valencia negotiators aren't exactly idiots.
If there was a clause about X number of goals this season, or CL qualification this season that wasn't met and we wouldn't have to pay it.
If there was a clause about X number of games for the club there might have been a clause triggered by him being sold before Y number of years. If there was a clause about X number of goals over the next 2-3 years or CL qualification during that time there might be a sum to be paid if he's sold before that time period ends. And so on and so on.
Personally I doubt that if we only paid £13m and the rest was performance dependent it was all based on this one season. Just basing that on a guess as it seems like a very high variance gamble for Valencia to accept that. I'm also guessing that if we sell him this summer, and the £13m number is correct that we'll have to pay at least something more to Valencia. If not they've put themselves in a very weird situation when selling him.
Kingdawson
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Kingdawson
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Personally i think we paid 26m...but in the infamous Levy installments (over something stupid like 5 years). Valencia stated many times they're not going to sell for a penny less than his release clause. They also stated (during negotiations) that the only thing stopping the deal going through was the payment structure.
Personally i think we paid 26m...but in the infamous Levy installments (over something stupid like 5 years). Valencia stated many times they're not going to sell for a penny less than his release clause. They also stated (during negotiations) that the only thing stopping the deal going through was the payment structure.
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I understand and agree with what you say but levy sanctioning a 26m fee for a 28 year old on the back of a recommendation from a manager that he was by a lot of accounts having issues with seems soooo out of character that I think he would have ensured favourable proformance clauses in to the contract or simply moved on to another target.
If the clauses are as you state and considerable if he is sold after a year, then soldado will be here next season and the season after that if neccessary.
If he comes good... Well good, if not then we sell him for 7mil or 5mil and still are 'up' rather than paying the whole 26 mill and taking a 13mill hit for the previlage of selling after a year.
I understand and agree with what you say but levy sanctioning a 26m fee for a 28 year old on the back of a recommendation from a manager that he was by a lot of accounts having issues with seems soooo out of character that I think he would have ensured favourable proformance clauses in to the contract or simply moved on to another target.
If the clauses are as you state and considerable if he is sold after a year, then soldado will be here next season and the season after that if neccessary.
If he comes good... Well good, if not then we sell him for 7mil or 5mil and still are 'up' rather than paying the whole 26 mill and taking a 13mill hit for the previlage of selling after a year.
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There's nothing infamous, stupid or particularly Levy about that. Most major transfers are paid in installments.
There's nothing infamous, stupid or particularly Levy about that. Most major transfers are paid in installments.
clevelandspur
Pascal Chimbonda
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Wish him well seems a nice bloke but we really should be moving him on this summer. I was very excited when we signed him but for various reasons just never worked out. If we don't sell him and he has another season like this one we will be on the hook for that huge price tag and nothing to show for it. Too big of a gamble if you ask me. I would say the odds of him having a great year or a new signing hitting the ground running aren't far apart so rather we move on.
Wish him well seems a nice bloke but we really should be moving him on this summer. I was very excited when we signed him but for various reasons just never worked out. If we don't sell him and he has another season like this one we will be on the hook for that huge price tag and nothing to show for it. Too big of a gamble if you ask me. I would say the odds of him having a great year or a new signing hitting the ground running aren't far apart so rather we move on.
clevelandspur
Pascal Chimbonda
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same here, I think it's just wishful thinking by some saying we end up paying half that. No way Valencia would have let him go for 13m
same here, I think it's just wishful thinking by some saying we end up paying half that. No way Valencia would have let him go for 13m
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People haven't just imagined this scenario though, I've seen several reports mentioning it, one this week in the Evening Standard for example. So it's not like it's being dreamt up in some kind of face saving exercise - there's ligetimate reason to base that opinion.
Newspapers always report the headline figure, yet i haven't seen one report explicity stating it was 26m in full and so it stands to reason, imv, that if there are reports saying the deal was brokered in installments or target based then there's probably more reason to accept this as the truth than otherwise.
People haven't just imagined this scenario though, I've seen several reports mentioning it, one this week in the Evening Standard for example. So it's not like it's being dreamt up in some kind of face saving exercise - there's ligetimate reason to base that opinion.
Newspapers always report the headline figure, yet i haven't seen one report explicity stating it was 26m in full and so it stands to reason, imv, that if there are reports saying the deal was brokered in installments or target based then there's probably more reason to accept this as the truth than otherwise.
Kingdawson
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but the said during negotiations that he's not going to go for a penny less than his release fee (which is 26m). They also said the thing that was holding the deal up was the structure of payment (so not the fee but the way it was paid) Why do you think they would suddenly accept half?
but the said during negotiations that he's not going to go for a penny less than his release fee (which is 26m). They also said the thing that was holding the deal up was the structure of payment (so not the fee but the way it was paid) Why do you think they would suddenly accept half?
Kingdawson
Banned
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They rarely make definite statements during negotiations.
I'm pretty sure that there would have been a leak out there from our side questioning the validity of Valencia's claim. The evidence is as follows:
1) Valencia say they are not selling for a penny less that 26m (before AND during negotiations)
2) Valencia say the only thing holding the deal up is the structure of payment (during negotiation)
3) Most (nearly all tbh) media outlets report the fee at 26m immediately after deal and for months following.
It's just recently that we're suddenly hearing it could be less. All the evidence points to it being 26m but in installments.
They rarely make definite statements during negotiations.
I'm pretty sure that there would have been a leak out there from our side questioning the validity of Valencia's claim. The evidence is as follows:
1) Valencia say they are not selling for a penny less that 26m (before AND during negotiations)
2) Valencia say the only thing holding the deal up is the structure of payment (during negotiation)
3) Most (nearly all tbh) media outlets report the fee at 26m immediately after deal and for months following.
It's just recently that we're suddenly hearing it could be less. All the evidence points to it being 26m but in installments.
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What Valencia said prior to the deal being done is of no concern, it's just talk in an on going deal and could have been said for any number of reasons (to appease fans for example)
As ive already said 26m is the headline fee - it doesn't give any insight in to how the deal is broken down.
Maybe there are reports out there which state we paid the 26m in full or spread over X amount of months, i haven't seen them and it's only something like this which would make me question the 13+13 deal stated in several different reports.
What Valencia said prior to the deal being done is of no concern, it's just talk in an on going deal and could have been said for any number of reasons (to appease fans for example)
As ive already said 26m is the headline fee - it doesn't give any insight in to how the deal is broken down.
Maybe there are reports out there which state we paid the 26m in full or spread over X amount of months, i haven't seen them and it's only something like this which would make me question the 13+13 deal stated in several different reports.
Kingdawson
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ok..ignore what they said before....they still said all these things during negotiations.
ok..ignore what they said before....they still said all these things during negotiations.